UK to bake in 33C amid extreme heat warning

[st albans fox]

1 hour ago, Unabomber said:

Why does there seem to be a correlation between the right wing, anti woke, anti vaxxers and climate change? Seems a bit weird to me. It’s as if they feel they all need to believe the same things like a cult. 

I think you mis spelt the last word of your post ….

[leicsmac]

1 hour ago, Unabomber said:

Why does there seem to be a correlation between the right wing, anti woke, anti vaxxers and climate change? Seems a bit weird to me. It’s as if they feel they all need to believe the same things like a cult. 

Social Darwinism running through all of those viewpoints. There's only a subset of humanity that is fit to survive, you see, and they're part of it.

 

Of course, when it comes to natural events like Covid or climate change, the denial has to be the primary argument because that might actually come for them no matter what they do and they can't have that. Mix in a little "if I don't survive, then no one else will either" edgy nihilism and there's the whole package.

[Otis]

15 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

 

 

Of course, when it comes to natural events like Covid or climate change, the denial has to be the primary argument because that might actually come for them no matter what they do and they can't have that. Mix in a little "if I don't survive, then no one else will either" edgy nihilism and there's the whole package.

So you conceed climate change isn't man made?

[leicsmac]

2 minutes ago, Otis said:

So you conceed climate change isn't man made?

I'm sorry, events of natural consequence. Pardon if that wasn't clear in the previous post.

 

To clarify, it is a matter of empirical scientific fact that mankind is contributing heavily to the increasing global average temperature, but the consequences of that will mostly (at first at least) be "natural" in the form of droughts, floods and generally more extreme weather.

[String fellow]

29 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

I think you mis spelt the last word of your post ….

Don't you mean misspelt or even misspelled?

[The Horse's Mouth]

2 hours ago, Unabomber said:

Why does there seem to be a correlation between the right wing, anti woke, anti vaxxers and climate change? Seems a bit weird to me. It’s as if they feel they all need to believe the same things like a cult. 

I mean the first two makes sense, freedom of choice and freedom of speech is heavily linked with those two. Climate change is a weird one, because of the amount of predictions that we've had that haven't become true and I guess similar to the covid figures we seen where it's geared to the worst case scenario, people push back naturally. 

 

I think in this country in particular, our two main parties are largely agreed on green issues, wokeness(less so) and certainly the vax, so it naturally pushes people who feel a bit "left behind"

[st albans fox]

8 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

I'm sorry, events of natural consequence. Pardon if that wasn't clear in the previous post.

 

To clarify, it is a matter of empirical scientific fact that mankind is contributing heavily to the increasing global average temperature, but the consequences of that will mostly (at first at least) be "natural" in the form of droughts, floods and generally more extreme weather.

We shouldn’t miss the point that the planet could be warming naturally - of course we can never know that because we can’t turn the clock back 

however, it is beyond any debate that our behaviour has accelerated the warming. The planet will cope - it will find a way to survive via redistribution of warmth using the oceans - the ice caps could well melt completely in order to facilitate this - however, mankind would be unlikely to survive this period in numbers like we see now. Looking at some of the temps we have seen across n Siberia and Arctic Canada over the past few years - could these areas be inhabitable if global temps rise by three or four degrees?  Where exactly would humans live ?? 

 

 

[SpacedX]

12 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

I mean

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12 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

Climate change is a weird one, because of the amount of predictions that we've had that haven't become true

Climate science is incredibly complex and there are a myriad of variables, and feedback mechanisms to be taken into account which are continually in a state of flux. In spite of this, predictions made 50 years ago are remarkably accurate. During that period, scientists have established that the world is warming due to anthropogenic activity. However, it is practically impossible to put a figure on exactly much temperatures are likely to rise albeit that we know this will be at an exponential rate if the required action is not taken. 

Edited 19 July 2022 by Line-X

[The Horse's Mouth]

11 minutes ago, Line-X said:

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Climate science is incredibly complex and there are a myriad of variables, and feedback mechanisms to be taken into account which are continually in a state of flux. In spite of this, predictions made 50 years ago are remarkably accurate. During that period, scientists have established that the world is warming due to anthropogenic activity. However, it is practically impossible to put a figure on exactly much temperatures are likely to rise albeit that we know this will be at an exponential rate if the required action is not taken. 

I'm not disputing that honestly, it's not a view which I hold. However, a lot of the main scaremongering predictions haven't come true, which only serves to push back a lot of people from it and these usually are the same type of people who rather than be outright skeptical, outright reject anything putting forward. It's more indicative of how are news is presented these days, that these type of people have become how they are. The hysteria over these two days especially, you can see why more and more people are pushing back.

[st albans fox]

1 minute ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

I'm not disputing that honestly, it's not a view which I hold. However, a lot of the main scaremongering predictions haven't come true, which only serves to push back a lot of people from it and these usually are the same type of people who rather than be outright skeptical, outright reject anything putting forward. It's more indicative of how are news is presented these days, that these type of people have become how they are. The hysteria over these two days especially, you can see why more and more people are pushing back.

What hasn’t come true?  As with most things you have to remove the ‘extremists’.  I mean go back fifty years and we should all be getting around now in our flying cars and robots taking care of everything for us.  Unfortunately the msm tends to pick the extreme viewpoints as that sells papers and gets clicks ….

[Finnegan]

37 minutes ago, Otis said:

So you conceed climate change isn't man made?

 

Fvck me are there still people clinging to this? 

 

I've long held that the most impressive and effective example of mass media being used by its controlling owners to get the general working populace to be swayed against their own interest was the turn of public opinion against trade unions. 

 

But I have to be honest, the Average Joes and Otises of this world being convinced that global warming either isn't real or isn't our fault is right up there. The real genius is that somehow you've got anti authoritarian, typically conspiracy minded folk in here (you know, the 5G is tracking your thoughts and Bill Gates wants to inject covid chips in to us crowd) actually towing their line and accusing, what "THE MEDIA!" of trying to over hype global warming. 

 

I mean, in whose fvcking interest? Do you know how many owners of media corporations have financial interests in fossil fuels or friends, colleagues, peers, allies, etc that do? What on earth incentive is there for "THE MEDIA!!" to make a big deal out of rising heat? Why exactly do you think you're being tricked? Who is out there profiting if we reduce our carbon footprint and try and reverse the flow? 

 

Meanwhile whole sectors, including some of the wealthiest people on the planet, are fvcked if we stop using fossil fuels and these people have been caught with their fingers in the cookie jar countless times trying to lobby and sponsor faux scientific "studies" to push this silly narrative that global warming isn't real or isn't on us. 

 

It's so transparent. How are people still falling for it. Its mad. 

[st albans fox]

5 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

Fvck me are there still people clinging to this? 

 

I've long held that the most impressive and effective example of mass media being used by its controlling owners to get the general working populace to be swayed against their own interest was the turn of public opinion against trade unions. 

 

But I have to be honest, the Average Joes and Otises of this world being convinced that global warming either isn't real or isn't our fault is right up there. The real genius is that somehow you've got anti authoritarian, typically conspiracy minded folk in here (you know, the 5G is tracking your thoughts and Bill Gates wants to inject covid chips in to us crowd) actually towing their line and accusing, what "THE MEDIA!" of trying to over hype global warming. 

 

I mean, in whose fvcking interest? Do you know how many owners of media corporations have financial interests in fossil fuels or friends, colleagues, peers, allies, etc that do? What on earth incentive is there for "THE MEDIA!!" to make a big deal out of rising heat? Why exactly do you think you're being tricked? Who is out there profiting if we reduce our carbon footprint and try and reverse the flow? 

 

Meanwhile whole sectors, including some of the wealthiest people on the planet, are fvcked if we stop using fossil fuels and these people have been caught with their fingers in the cookie jar countless times trying to lobby and sponsor faux scientific "studies" to push this silly narrative that global warming isn't real or isn't on us. 

 

It's so transparent. How are people still falling for it. Its mad. 

Their answer is that the media are probably  invested in renewable energy companies - it’s so transparent! 
 

btw, going back OT and Surrey nr Gatwick is 37.3c at 11am …… we could break the national temp record by lunchtime ! 

Edited 19 July 2022 by st albans fox

[grobyfox1990]

9 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

I'm not disputing that honestly, it's not a view which I hold. However, a lot of the main scaremongering predictions haven't come true, which only serves to push back a lot of people from it and these usually are the same type of people who rather than be outright skeptical, outright reject anything putting forward. It's more indicative of how are news is presented these days, that these type of people have become how they are. The hysteria over these two days especially, you can see why more and more people are pushing back.

Completely agree. Climate change is going to detriment life for everyone on this planet, not my ‘opinion’ it’s a fact but you can see why so many get entrenched with the OTT coverage of everything these days. Apparently if you enjoy the sunshine today you could DIE!!! 
 

And to be clear, I’m not a certified earth loving tree hugger, I work in finance, to be honest I only care about my own quality of life going forward. Which will get exponentially worse if a credible plan is not adhered to for a fair and just transition to net zero. People on this thread who don’t recycle don’t believe in it etc will suffer consequences, but that doesn’t bother me, that’s evolution 

[The Horse's Mouth]

7 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

What hasn’t come true?  As with most things you have to remove the ‘extremists’.  I mean go back fifty years and we should all be getting around now in our flying cars and robots taking care of everything for us.  Unfortunately the msm tends to pick the extreme viewpoints as that sells papers and gets clicks ….

https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-of-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions/

 

Try that, there's a good few that haven't come true and in this case they're from credited scientists of the time. Don't get the wrong end of the stick here from me either, I'm not debating climate change here I'm just showing why it is understandable people have pushed themselves into these corners because this is how our media operates, hysteria. In the modern world as well, it's very easy to find alternative media sources that will agree with your viewpoint and be able to present their counter arguments through "common sense".

 

Like we can sit here and say, yeah these are wrong but X is right, most people won't see it through that lens.

 

[RoboFox]

3 hours ago, Unabomber said:

Why does there seem to be a correlation between the right wing, anti woke, anti vaxxers and climate change? Seems a bit weird to me. It’s as if they feel they all need to believe the same things like a cult. 

I'm going to go ahead and say it because nobody else will.

 

Education. 

[ARM1968]

Well I’m sat in one of my fields in the shade of a newly built haystack. 32C currently, nice breeze, very pleasant. Just contemplating whether to go and get a beer or just have a snooze. Nice. 

[st albans fox]

3 minutes ago, ARM1968 said:

Well I’m sat in one of my fields in the shade of a newly built haystack. 32C currently, nice breeze, very pleasant. Just contemplating whether to go and get a beer or just have a snooze. Nice. 

Don’t have a fag! 

[ARM1968]

Just now, st albans fox said:

Don’t have a fag! 

Don’t smoke so ok there. Managed to saunter in for a beer. Now sat with a cold one just enjoying life. 

[Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo]

5 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

It's so transparent. How are people still falling for it. Its mad. 

 

Forgive me for pigeon-holing but the people that tend to hold these kind of views (and usually subscribe to any Facebook conspiracy theory, they'll also have Info Wars as their homepage and use the most obscure search engine you've never heard of) are the kind of people who just love an argument. Typically extremely stubborn and won't accept facts or any sort of logical theory where facts aren't available

 

They'll laugh at you for referring to anything proven/logical as "fact", because their community has some mad person/troll/"alternative thinker" providing them with "the truth"

 

There are sections of these people that in 2022 believe the earth is flat. It is a complete waste of energy trying to debate with them

 

 

1 minute ago, RoboFox said:

I'm going to go ahead and say it because nobody else will.

 

Education. 

 

And 100% this. I work with a conspiracy nut (and previously with 1 even more outrageously nutty nut). Some of the beliefs include - 

- David Icke's "theory" that the Royals actually are lizards in costume

- dinosaurs didn't exist

- vaccines don't work

and the one that somehow pissed me off the most:

- any technology we use today stems from technology from a crashed alien spacecraft

 

If she'd have done ACTUAL research and/or paid attention at school, she'd have realised that the body of science, physics and engineering has been multiplied over hundreds of years (obviously accelerating greatly over the last 100 years or so) where we, as a race, have gained an understanding of energy, circuitry, the breakthrough of the microchip, computer programming, all of this combined with millions of people who DID pay attention at school has landed us where we are today. 

 

But no, just dismiss all that because they can't get their stupid ignorant head around it. "Aliens dun it"

[The Horse's Mouth]

7 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

Completely agree. Climate change is going to detriment life for everyone on this planet, not my ‘opinion’ it’s a fact but you can see why so many get entrenched with the OTT coverage of everything these days. Apparently if you enjoy the sunshine today you could DIE!!! 
 

And to be clear, I’m not a certified earth loving tree hugger, I work in finance, to be honest I only care about my own quality of life going forward. Which will get exponentially worse if a credible plan is not adhered to for a fair and just transition to net zero. People on this thread who don’t recycle don’t believe in it etc will suffer consequences, but that doesn’t bother me, that’s evolution 

The hysteria coverage, coupled with access to be able to talk with everyone around the world. It all sort of partners together.

 

I think net zero is a different debate tbf, a lot of people will agree that climate change is a threat, but the current net zero plan will cripple a lot of good hard working people. That realistically should be the political issue. Then you've also got the debate on if the west make sacrifices for the good of the planet and the east don't then are we spiting our nose to save our face kind of thing

 

[SpacedX]

2 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

I'm not disputing that honestly, it's not a view which I hold. 

Thanks for your reply. Absolutely, I get that. 

 

3 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

However, a lot of the main scaremongering predictions haven't come true, which only serves to push back a lot of people from it and these usually are the same type of people who rather than be outright skeptical, outright reject anything putting forward. 

Not sure what you are referring to here. As I indicated, the predictions and the data gathered in support of rapid anthropogenic climate change and the consilience of evidence surrounding this has been remarkably consistent and on the whole, chillingly accurate. 

 

4 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

 It's more indicative of how are news is presented these days, that these type of people have become how they are. 

A very potent point and one which I'm inclined to agree with. Sensationalism sells - but you can't overstate the realities and the threats to humanity associated with climate change. 

 

6 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

 The hysteria over these two days especially, you can see why more and more people are pushing back.

In terms of the fact that other parts of the planet continue to function in much higher temperatures yes, but these increasingly extreme global trends are indeed terrifying, and before long, those other regions will become uninhabitable. The public health warnings are sadly necessary given the typical behaviour of some of the British public, our ageing demographic and the fact that our housing stock/infrastructure is not designed for this. 

 

Actually, this invites a related topic which is that of Air Conditioning. Of course, most homes and many work places in the UK don't have AC - but while our summer temperatures continue to be driven up, the demand for it is bound to increase. In fact, it is anticipated that 75-80% of British homes will have it installed by the end of the century. This could increase the UK's current monthly electricity consumption by up to 15% in the summer. But this is already a global issue. There are already a billion single room air-conditioning units operating globally - accounting for about 20% of demand for electricity in buildings. By 2050 it is projected that there will be some four and a half billion AC units worldwide, ramping up energy demand. Since much of that currently comes from fossil fuels, it creates a vicious circle, but there is also another problem. As interiors are artificially cooled, the process pumps heat outside. Some years ago, I briefly spent some time at the Arizona State University and in Phoenix during the summer, you obviously can't function without it. I was intrigued to read a recent study that found the hot air pumped out of AC systems increased the city's nighttime temperature by 1°C. Worse still, the fluorinated gases used in these units can frequently leak out and these are something like 22,000 times more powerful at warming the climate that CO2. 

 

Typical government myopia - when the Tories outlined their strategy last year for net-zero carbon emissions, the huge oversight was the rising demand for cooling. Instead, the emphasis was upon insulation and keeping buildings warm focussing upon energy certificates as a sole measure of efficiency. Our buildings need to be designed for both - with good ventilation so they are not only well insulated during the winter, but cool for our increasingly hotter summers. 

[Guest WarehamFox]

The Mockery breaking news is thunderstorms this evening. Quoting met office from  July first? Bit confusing but they probably have wrong heatwave or wrong date. 🥵🥵👍 

[st albans fox]

4 minutes ago, WarehamFox said:

The Mockery breaking news is thunderstorms this evening. Quoting met office from  July first? Bit confusing but they probably have wrong heatwave or wrong date. 🥵🥵👍 

Every chance of storms breaking out this evening 

 

btw, I believe that Charlwood (not Charnwood) has set a new U.K. temp record 39.1 c and we haven’t reached noon yet! 

[ARM1968]

13 minutes ago, Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo said:

 

Forgive me for pigeon-holing but the people that tend to hold these kind of views (and usually subscribe to any Facebook conspiracy theory, they'll also have Info Wars as their homepage and use the most obscure search engine you've never heard of) are the kind of people who just love an argument. Typically extremely stubborn and won't accept facts or any sort of logical theory where facts aren't available

 

They'll laugh at you for referring to anything proven/logical as "fact", because their community has some mad person/troll/"alternative thinker" providing them with "the truth"

 

There are sections of these people that in 2022 believe the earth is flat. It is a complete waste of energy trying to debate with them

 

 

 

And 100% this. I work with a conspiracy nut (and previously with 1 even more outrageously nutty nut). Some of the beliefs include - 

- David Icke's "theory" that the Royals actually are lizards in costume

- dinosaurs didn't exist

- vaccines don't work

and the one that somehow pissed me off the most:

- any technology we use today stems from technology from a crashed alien spacecraft

 

If she'd have done ACTUAL research and/or paid attention at school, she'd have realised that the body of science, physics and engineering has been multiplied over hundreds of years (obviously accelerating greatly over the last 100 years or so) where we, as a race, have gained an understanding of energy, circuitry, the breakthrough of the microchip, computer programming, all of this combined with millions of people who DID pay attention at school has landed us where we are today. 

 

But no, just dismiss all that because they can't get their stupid ignorant head around it. "Aliens dun it"

Ahh, now, you see, you’re making a mistake here. You do know, don’t you, that education and everything therein was designed and implemented, in its current forms, by the ‘elite’, most notably those in the banking sector?  Much like the push for women’s rights - more money. Indeed the whole system is setup less to teach and more to acclimatise children for work - pretty much the same structure.  You simply CANNOT think that education is not indoctrination. 
 

Also, our entire modern society is built upon the genius of Tesla - delivered to him by telepathic aliens - as well as the tech found in the Roswell and New Mexico crashed saucers. Printed circuits, CPU’s, fibre optics, night vision, anti gravity etc. 

 

At least, that’s what my son tells me anyway. That and it’s all a simulation. I told him to make himself useful and find the fuching cheat codes then. A few seem to have them, not me. 

[Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo]

1 minute ago, ARM1968 said:

Ahh, now, you see, you’re making a mistake here. You do know, don’t you, that education and everything therein was designed and implemented, in its current forms, by the ‘elite’, most notably those in the banking sector?  Much like the push for women’s rights - more money. Indeed the whole system is setup less to teach and more to acclimatise children for work - pretty much the same structure.  You simply CANNOT think that education is not indoctrination. 
 

Also, our entire modern society is built upon the genius of Tesla - delivered to him by telepathic aliens - as well as the tech found in the Roswell and New Mexico crashed saucers. Printed circuits, CPU’s, fibre optics, night vision, anti gravity etc. 

 

At least, that’s what my son tells me anyway. That and it’s all a simulation. I told him to make himself useful and find the fuching cheat codes then. A few seem to have them, not me. 

 

Now, the simulation theory does hold a bit of water and is cause for some very interesting debates which could void all the other shit

 

But as it stands, in the reality (theory), the rest is just other shit 😂