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UK to bake in 33C amid extreme heat warning

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Vlad the Fox

Vlad the Fox

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13 minutes ago, Foxdiamond said:

Yeah remember the ladybirds. Can't remember the snow. I do recall the Lords test match being rained off in a Saturday then the temperature went up

No I can’t remember the snow though I have had a couple of people mention it to me, my mates brothers birthday is in June and his mum told me that it snowed or there was snow on the ground for his birthday. 

Foxdiamond

Foxdiamond

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1 minute ago, Vlad the Fox said:

No I can’t remember the snow though I have had a couple of people mention it to me, my mates brothers birthday is in June and his mum told me that it snowed or there was snow on the ground for his birthday. 

Wow bit of a contrast

pazzerfox

pazzerfox

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2 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

Fvck me are there still people clinging to this? 

 

I've long held that the most impressive and effective example of mass media being used by its controlling owners to get the general working populace to be swayed against their own interest was the turn of public opinion against trade unions. 

 

But I have to be honest, the Average Joes and Otises of this world being convinced that global warming either isn't real or isn't our fault is right up there. The real genius is that somehow you've got anti authoritarian, typically conspiracy minded folk in here (you know, the 5G is tracking your thoughts and Bill Gates wants to inject covid chips in to us crowd) actually towing their line and accusing, what "THE MEDIA!" of trying to over hype global warming. 

 

I mean, in whose fvcking interest? Do you know how many owners of media corporations have financial interests in fossil fuels or friends, colleagues, peers, allies, etc that do? What on earth incentive is there for "THE MEDIA!!" to make a big deal out of rising heat? Why exactly do you think you're being tricked? Who is out there profiting if we reduce our carbon footprint and try and reverse the flow? 

 

Meanwhile whole sectors, including some of the wealthiest people on the planet, are fvcked if we stop using fossil fuels and these people have been caught with their fingers in the cookie jar countless times trying to lobby and sponsor faux scientific "studies" to push this silly narrative that global warming isn't real or isn't on us. 

 

It's so transparent. How are people still falling for it. Its mad. 

It would help if China, the largest exporter in the world and the biggest contributor to global warming, took the matter more seriously.  They continue to ramp up production and give the middle finger to the climate change issue which doesn't help with people pulling together to make a difference.

 



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Otis

Otis

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25 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

It was the drought that lasted for ten weeks 

And it was often 80/90f but the period 90+ was two weeks.  We aren’t yet in august - we could still see another couple of these 90+ spells in august 

 

its just passed 100f in Leicestershire btw 

We most likely will as per most summers.

 

Looks like many temperature records will be broken today/tonight. 

The Horse's Mouth

The Horse's Mouth

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23 minutes ago, Line-X said:

No, I know exactly what you were referring to, but to remind you, this is what you said -

 

You presented a selection of rather extreme newspaper articles culled from the American popular press cobbled together in a blog written by a far right libertarian thinktank not dissimilar in their bias and leaning to Breitbart. I was referring the the volume of scientific models and data from the same era which have largely proved to be highly accurate. That the lay public are ignorant of or choose to ignore this is as much to do with their inability to recognise and their innate susceptibility to confirmation bias such as that presented by agenda ridden subjective internet sites like the CEI as opposed to 'hysterical' media reporting and hyperbole in the press. 

But it wasn't the argument I was making its the one you've decided to make from it, I wasn't sitting here saying the scientific models were wrong in the past, I was saying the predictions put forward through the press has lead to propel to be overly skeptical and outright reject the ideas. I wasn't endorsing the contents of the articles, in terms of written word( it is clear it's being used to further their notion of nothing to see here) just the snippets from the actual press.

 

st albans fox

st albans fox

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6 minutes ago, Otis said:

We most likely will as per most summers.

 

Looks like many temperature records will be broken today/tonight. 

Most summers nowadays…. You’d be surprised how many summers didn’t use to go above 90f …..

and come the back end of august, we may be looking at a summer which was warmer than ‘76 … that’s my point 

Foxdiamond

Foxdiamond

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5 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Most summers nowadays…. You’d be surprised how many summers didn’t use to go above 90f …..

and come the back end of august, we may be looking at a summer which was warmer than ‘76 … that’s my point 

Another element is that winters are windy, wet and mild. We have far fewer of those cold, frosty but bright winter days compared to 50 years or so ago

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dsr-burnley

dsr-burnley

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56 minutes ago, Vlad the Fox said:

Anyone remember the plague of ladybirds, thousands upon thousands of them crawling all over you, everything. That was 76 wasn’t it? I was three but remember that well. Also I. Sure my dad said it snowed in June in 76 then the next week the heatwave hit. 

The snow was in 1975, the year before.  there was a heatwave that year too, but not as bad (though I was in Denmark for the summer and they had then-record temperatures for 5 weeks).

 

Lancashire played Derbyshire at Buxton on a batting paradise, scored 477-5 on day 1.  On day 2, Jack Simmons (rooming with Clive Lloyd) woke up to see Lloyd looking out the window and Simmons asked what the weather was doing.  Lloyd daid "snowing" (which I believe he had never seen before).  Simmons told him in not very polite terms that he doubted his veracity, but sure enough, it snowed enough to cover a player's boots.  No play on day 2.  On day 3, and on uncovered wickets those days, the wicket was "a bit lively".  Derbyshire 42 all out and 87 all out and happy to be dismissed!

 

Then a week later the heatwave started.

 

In 1976, the heatwave started on day 1 of Wimbledon.  My mother and brother were there for the first week, and it was normal summer - cool and damp - on the Sunday they went down, and they expected more of the same.  On the Monday they set off loaded up with coats and sweaters, and it was fry-an-egg-on-the-car-roof sort of weather,  (To be literal, the egg frying came a few days later.) 

 

One thing I can tell you from 1975.  Getting into a car that has been sitting in the sun all day, a car with plastic seats, when you are wearing shorts - well, fortunately there were no seat belts, because I preferred to stand.

 

 

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SpacedX

SpacedX

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25 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

But it wasn't the argument I was making its the one you've decided to make from it

 

As I have repeatedly said, I understand that. But you alluded to a wealth of inaccurate predictions conditioning public perception, which actually turned out to be a few random newspaper articles from the 70s and earlier cobbled together by a far right bunch of climate change sceptics. I know that you weren't endorsing the articles or the site and at no stage was I suggesting that you were. To reiterate, the notion that such 'hysterical' items in the press are largely responsible for perpetuating doubt about anthropogenic climate change as opposed to the very agenda driven internet sites that you used to illustrate this, is as ironic as it is incorrect. 

 

The internet has facilitated self-referenced opinion over fact and allowed digitally illiterate people to reinforce their own beliefs and on others in addition to confirming their own lack of knowledge of basic known and accepted science. Social media reaffirmed Stone Age level ignorance. The 'hysteria' in the press that you alluded to turned out to be a few obscure newspaper articles from half a century ago and nothing to do with legitimate predictive models and projections made at the same time that I was referring to. 

 

As has been alluded to earlier, distrust in the 'liberal elites' fuelled by largely US right wing conspiracy theory has resulted in a large scale popular disaffection with expertise and science. An internet connection seems to increasingly substitute for an education - and it is this that is at the heart of the matter. Media hysteria undoubtably plays a part, but a small one in comparison.

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leicsmac

leicsmac

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Interesting discussion over the last couple of pages.

 

I'd like to add a couple of points in turn. I've stated them before but seeing as it's cropped up again I'm going to get everything in one post.

 

1. Firstly, and most importantly, it is a matter of scientific fact backed by the most exacting empirical evidence acquired over decades that human activity is resulting in an increase of atmospheric carbon dioxide and a resultant increase in global average temperature. These are facts, they are the same as the world being round. I'm not actually seeing much in the way of dispute of those facts right here and now, but just for the sake of 100% certainty on the matter and to perhaps forestall subsequent questions regarding it. The consequences of this increase are a it less certain, but in all likelihood it will include larger and more widespread incidences of drought, flooding and extreme storms, with all the damage to human infrastructure those entail.

 

2. While the press have seized on spurious "predictions" about these consequences that have then not come to fruition, that doesn't change anything about the scientific facts as they are. There is definitely an issue with how science is communicated, as well as how the media sensationalises such things for the purposes of selling itself. These do need to be overcome so that more people can be better informed to make a more informed decision about the whole thing, but if people do choose to remain skeptical right up to the bad things happening, then they bear a heavy share of the responsibility for it too. Effective science communication only goes so far - at some point people actually have to show a little trust.

 

3. It may be that "bigger" players on the world stage are not doing enough to address this threat themselves. However, that is no justification whatsoever for the UK choosing to join them and engage into a mutual race to the bottom and I've no idea why anyone outside of a totally committed nihilist would; because at the end of that road lies at best a billion people all seeking food, water and shelter with all the conflict that would entail, and at worst the actual downfall of civilisation. Why choose that pathway when there's at least something of a chance on the other, costly as it might be? Which brings me to...

 

4. "Net zero" is something both the UK and the world should be working towards regardless of cost. The reason for this is simple: as much as making those adjustments now will cost economically, not making them and therefore bearing the consequences listed above will cost much, much more. Perhaps even everything. The calculus is reasonably straightforward and therefore the decision really should be obvious.

 

If anyone has any specific questions about all of this, feel free to ask.

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Foxdiamond

Foxdiamond

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16 minutes ago, dsr-burnley said:

The snow was in 1975, the year before.  there was a heatwave that year too, but not as bad (though I was in Denmark for the summer and they had then-record temperatures for 5 weeks).

 

Lancashire played Derbyshire at Buxton on a batting paradise, scored 477-5 on day 1.  On day 2, Jack Simmons (rooming with Clive Lloyd) woke up to see Lloyd looking out the window and Simmons asked what the weather was doing.  Lloyd daid "snowing" (which I believe he had never seen before).  Simmons told him in not very polite terms that he doubted his veracity, but sure enough, it snowed enough to cover a player's boots.  No play on day 2.  On day 3, and on uncovered wickets those days, the wicket was "a bit lively".  Derbyshire 42 all out and 87 all out and happy to be dismissed!

 

Then a week later the heatwave started.

 

In 1976, the heatwave started on day 1 of Wimbledon.  My mother and brother were there for the first week, and it was normal summer - cool and damp - on the Sunday they went down, and they expected more of the same.  On the Monday they set off loaded up with coats and sweaters, and it was fry-an-egg-on-the-car-roof sort of weather,  (To be literal, the egg frying came a few days later.) 

 

One thing I can tell you from 1975.  Getting into a car that has been sitting in the sun all day, a car with plastic seats, when you are wearing shorts - well, fortunately there were no seat belts, because I preferred to stand.

 

 

Borg's first Wimbledon title in 76. The Iceman

Finnegan

Finnegan

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2 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Not an official station although it wouldn’t be far from reality 

raf wittering is at 39c 

 

I notice one particular poster has gone awol …….. I guess he’ll never know it got above 21c ……..

 

ItS nEvEr GoInG tO gO uP tEn DeGrReEs

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SpacedX

SpacedX

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1 minute ago, bovril said:

So yes leaving a window open in one of my rooms was probably unwise. Nearly choked to death walking in.

Strangely, I experienced the same thing just the other day, but it turned out to be the homicidal maniac laying in wait behind the settee. 

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tom27111

tom27111

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21 minutes ago, dsr-burnley said:

The snow was in 1975, the year before.  there was a heatwave that year too, but not as bad (though I was in Denmark for the summer and they had then-record temperatures for 5 weeks).

 

Lancashire played Derbyshire at Buxton on a batting paradise, scored 477-5 on day 1.  On day 2, Jack Simmons (rooming with Clive Lloyd) woke up to see Lloyd looking out the window and Simmons asked what the weather was doing.  Lloyd daid "snowing" (which I believe he had never seen before).  Simmons told him in not very polite terms that he doubted his veracity, but sure enough, it snowed enough to cover a player's boots.  No play on day 2.  On day 3, and on uncovered wickets those days, the wicket was "a bit lively".  Derbyshire 42 all out and 87 all out and happy to be dismissed!

 

Then a week later the heatwave started.

 

In 1976, the heatwave started on day 1 of Wimbledon.  My mother and brother were there for the first week, and it was normal summer - cool and damp - on the Sunday they went down, and they expected more of the same.  On the Monday they set off loaded up with coats and sweaters, and it was fry-an-egg-on-the-car-roof sort of weather,  (To be literal, the egg frying came a few days later.) 

 

One thing I can tell you from 1975.  Getting into a car that has been sitting in the sun all day, a car with plastic seats, when you are wearing shorts - well, fortunately there were no seat belts, because I preferred to stand.

 

 

Haha great anecdote about the cricket!

 

I was born in 79, so missed out on that heatwave summer.

 

I do remember no seatbelts in cars though, I used to stand between the 2 front seats all the way to Torquay every year for July fortnight, whilst my dad did about 110mph down the motorway lol

 

Different times. And they were great.

SpacedX

SpacedX

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2 minutes ago, ARM1968 said:

 Thunderstorms now. Good job I sheeted the haystacks about an hour ago. Timing. 🤣

Really? Where are you? 

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