UK to bake in 33C amid extreme heat warning

[dsr-burnley]

3 hours ago, Unabomber said:

Why does there seem to be a correlation between the right wing, anti woke, anti vaxxers and climate change? Seems a bit weird to me. It’s as if they feel they all need to believe the same things like a cult. 

The Daily Mail wasn't and isn't anti-vaccine.

[SpacedX]

Just now, dsr-burnley said:

The Daily Mail wasn't and isn't anti-vaccine.

How is your mother coping in the heat DSR? 

[ARM1968]

2 minutes ago, Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo said:

 

Now, the simulation theory does hold a bit of water and is cause for some very interesting debates which could void all the other shit

 

But as it stands, in the reality (theory), the rest is just other shit 😂

Or, it’s all shit, which is pretty much where I lean. Simulation theory, if you think about it, is more likely than not. God in the machine. God IS the machine. The machine IS God. Who knows. What I do is that gout hurts. It’s hot. I like beer. I’ve made some cracking hay. Life is reasonable. 

[Unabomber]

12 minutes ago, dsr-burnley said:

The Daily Mail wasn't and isn't anti-vaccine.

I’m not specifically talking about the mail 

[SpacedX]

19 minutes ago, ARM1968 said:

 I’ve made some cracking hay. 

'FARM1968'

[grobyfox1990]

44 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

The hysteria coverage, coupled with access to be able to talk with everyone around the world. It all sort of partners together.

 

I think net zero is a different debate tbf, a lot of people will agree that climate change is a threat, but the current net zero plan will cripple a lot of good hard working people. That realistically should be the political issue. Then you've also got the debate on if the west make sacrifices for the good of the planet and the east don't then are we spiting our nose to save our face kind of thing

 

Yeh that’s why I said a fair and just transition. Tbh there is no reason why sensible working people in this country should suffer, our govt can pay its way out of it (see furlough), fairness and justness mostly relates to third world countries who didn’t create this mess but will likely pay the biggest cost for reversing it 

[The Horse's Mouth]

37 minutes ago, Line-X said:

Thanks for your reply. Absolutely, I get that. 

 

Not sure what you are referring to here. As I indicated, the predictions and the data gathered in support of rapid anthropogenic climate change and the consilience of evidence surrounding this has been remarkably consistent and on the whole, chillingly accurate. 

 

A very potent point and one which I'm inclined to agree with. Sensationalism sells - but you can't overstate the realities and the threats to humanity associated with climate change. 

 

In terms of the fact that other parts of the planet continue to function in much higher temperatures yes, but these increasingly extreme global trends are indeed terrifying, and before long, those other regions will become uninhabitable. The public health warnings are sadly necessary given the typical behaviour of some of the British public, our ageing demographic and the fact that our housing stock/infrastructure is not designed for this. 

 

Actually, this invites a related topic which is that of Air Conditioning. Of course, most homes and many work places in the UK don't have AC - but while our summer temperatures continue to be driven up, the demand for it is bound to increase. In fact, it is anticipated that 75-80% of British homes will have it installed by the end of the century. This could increase the UK's current monthly electricity consumption by up to 15% in the summer. But this is already a global issue. There are already a billion single room air-conditioning units operating globally - accounting for about 20% of demand for electricity in buildings. By 2050 it is projected that there will be some four and a half billion AC units worldwide, ramping up energy demand. Since much of that currently comes from fossil fuels, it creates a vicious circle, but there is also another problem. As interiors are artificially cooled, the process pumps heat outside. Some years ago, I briefly spent some time at the Arizona State University and in Phoenix during the summer, you obviously can't function without it. I was intrigued to read a recent study that found the hot air pumped out of AC systems increased the city's nighttime temperature by 1°C. Worse still, the fluorinated gases used in these units can frequently leak out and these are something like 22,000 times more powerful at warming the climate that CO2. 

 

Typical government myopia - when the Tories outlined their strategy last year for net-zero carbon emissions, the huge oversight was the rising demand for cooling. Instead, the emphasis was upon insulation and keeping buildings warm focussing upon energy certificates as a sole measure of efficiency. Our buildings need to be designed for both - with good ventilation so they are not only well insulated during the winter, but cool for our increasingly hotter summers. 

I attached some of the more scaremongering predictions in another retort.

 

And sure, but you're looking at it purely through the lens of climate change. Hysteria seems wide spread on whatever issue is about now, and let's be honest post pandemic we've had a lot of it. And more and more people who would've never had strong opinions on these issues have almost been brought in through it. Largely why I see that it's the same people who have these views now, because those three topics are often the most sensationalised 

 

On air conditioning, would you say bar these two days that this summer has been particularly unbearable though? I know you're talking long term here, but I think we're far away from air con being somewhat common, especially amongst of a cost of living crisis 

 

[dsr-burnley]

32 minutes ago, Line-X said:

How is your mother coping in the heat DSR? 

She'll be happier when it goes away.  We have a lovely cool cellar, but she swears she isn't hot in the front room - where it's 27 degrees!

 

Thanks for asking.

Edited 19 July 2022 by dsr-burnley

[jgtuk]

1 hour ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-of-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions/

 

Try that, there's a good few that haven't come true and in this case they're from credited scientists of the time. Don't get the wrong end of the stick here from me either, I'm not debating climate change here I'm just showing why it is understandable people have pushed themselves into these corners because this is how our media operates, hysteria. In the modern world as well, it's very easy to find alternative media sources that will agree with your viewpoint and be able to present their counter arguments through "common sense".

 

Like we can sit here and say, yeah these are wrong but X is right, most people won't see it through that lens.

 

https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Competitive_Enterprise_Institute

 

"The Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI) is a advocacy group based in Washington DC with long ties to tobacco disinformation campaigns and more recently to climate change denial. It calls itself "a non-profit, non-partisan research and advocacy institute dedicated to the principles of free enterprise and limited government. We believe that individuals are best helped not by government intervention, but by making their own choices in a free marketplace."^[1] The Competitive Enterprise Institute is an "associate" member of the State Policy Network, a web of right-wing "think tanks" in every state across the country.^[2]"

 

[Ian Nacho]

Need 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

You know what we need, is some boomers talking about 1976. That would be refreshing! 

[Foxdiamond]

1 minute ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

You know what we need, is some boomers talking about 1976. That would be refreshing! 

This current spell puts 76 in the shade

[Sol thewall Bamba]

Just now, Foxdiamond said:

This current spell puts 76 in the shade

Yeah just looked and the highest temperate then was 35.9. But they won't be told, it was worse in their day you know! 

[SpacedX]

26 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

I attached some of the more scaremongering predictions in another retort.

 

Yeah I saw that...a blog/opinion piece from the CEI which is a far right libertarian think tank that opposes the notion of anthropogenic climate change and so regularly quote mines and cherry picks information in a feeble attempt to dismiss it. The 'predictions' that it has rather desperately cobbled are not 'evidenced based studies' or balanced by peer review, they are isolated sensationalist newspaper articles and popular press extracts - hardly representative of the mass of data and the accuracy of projections that I am referring to. 

 

26 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

And sure, but you're looking at it purely through the lens of climate change. Hysteria seems wide spread on whatever issue is about now, and let's be honest post pandemic we've had a lot of it. And more and more people who would've never had strong opinions on these issues have almost been brought in through it. Largely why I see that it's the same people who have these views now, because those three topics are often the most sensationalised 

 

As I said previously, there is nothing whatsoever "sensationalised" when it comes to the realities of anthropogenic climate change. 

 

26 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

On air conditioning, would you say bar these two days that this summer has been particularly unbearable though? I know you're talking long term here, but I think we're far away from air con being somewhat common, especially amongst of a cost of living crisis 

 

No it hasn't, but we are discussing future trends and rapidity of change, which is why I was talking about figures pertaining to the end of the century. In reality though, it will be needed far earlier that that. As I also said, temperature records are being broken all over the world - this is a contemporary global phenomena and the ramifications are felt by us all. 

 

This 'cost of living crisis' - easiest if we just make that 'living crisis', because for many in the world, and increasingly our own continent, this will increasingly be a question of survivability.

Edited 19 July 2022 by Line-X

[Vlad the Fox]

Finished at 11.30 today, 36°, come home and my eldest is ripping out the pistols Hoiday in the sun on his guitar.  

[Vlad the Fox]

2 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Yeah just looked and the highest temperate then was 35.9. But they won't be told, it was worse in their day you know! 

Anyone remember the plague of ladybirds, thousands upon thousands of them crawling all over you, everything. That was 76 wasn’t it? I was three but remember that well. Also I. Sure my dad said it snowed in June in 76 then the next week the heatwave hit. 

[SpacedX]

24 minutes ago, dsr-burnley said:

She'll be happier when it goes away.  We have a lovely cool cellar, but she swears she isn't hot in the front room - where it's 27 degrees!

 

Thanks for asking.

My Mother is 89 and lacking mobility, so ensuring the well being of my Father who is in the early stages of dementia is much harder for her in these conditions. This morning with the front curtains shut, the room temperature was the same ... 27. I suggested that she closed the windows but haughtily replied, "I am a scientist remember" before lecturing me on thermal transfer and maintaining interior temperature equilibrium. 

Edited 19 July 2022 by Line-X

[Otis]

1 hour ago, Finnegan said:

But I have to be honest, the Average Joes and Otises of this world being convinced that global warming either isn't real or isn't our fault is right up there

Did I actually say that?

[Foxdiamond]

3 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Yeah just looked and the highest temperate then was 35.9. But they won't be told, it was worse in their day you know! 

I was 20. It was hot for a long period that year but the curve is definitely upwards towards the extreme as documented. 

[Foxdiamond]

2 minutes ago, Vlad the Fox said:

Anyone remember the plague of ladybirds, thousands upon thousands of them crawling all over you, everything. That was 76 wasn’t it? I was three but remember that well. Also I. Sure my dad said it snowed in June in 76 then the next week the heatwave hit. 

Yeah remember the ladybirds. Can't remember the snow. I do recall the Lords test match being rained off in a Saturday then the temperature went up

[Otis]

10 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Yeah just looked and the highest temperate then was 35.9. But they won't be told, it was worse in their day you know! 

But it did carry on for around 10 weeks. 

[Lionator]

27 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

I attached some of the more scaremongering predictions in another retort.

 

And sure, but you're looking at it purely through the lens of climate change. Hysteria seems wide spread on whatever issue is about now, and let's be honest post pandemic we've had a lot of it. And more and more people who would've never had strong opinions on these issues have almost been brought in through it. Largely why I see that it's the same people who have these views now, because those three topics are often the most sensationalised 

 

On air conditioning, would you say bar these two days that this summer has been particularly unbearable though? I know you're talking long term here, but I think we're far away from air con being somewhat common, especially amongst of a cost of living crisis 

 

You’re choosing to interpret it as hysterical. I haven’t seen anybody hysterical on the news (obviously you get your people like XR who are extreme) but it’s commonly accepted worldwide that this is an issue. Nobody is reducing your freedoms, for example, if you don’t want to recycle then you don’t have to. It’s fine. Stop being a snowflake. 

[The Horse's Mouth]

1 minute ago, Line-X said:

Yeah I saw that...a blog/opinion piece from the CEI which is a far right libertarian think tank that opposes the notion of anthropogenic climate change and so regularly quote mines and cherry picks information in a feeble attempt to dismiss it. The 'predictions' that it has rather desperately cobbled are not 'evidenced based studies' or balanced by peer review, they are isolated sensationalist newspaper articles and popular press extracts - hardly representative of the mass of data and the accuracy of projections that I am referring to. 

.

 

This is the thing though, where I think you're slightly getting the wrong end of my stick. The source of that article is ultimately irrelevant, those newspaper headlines are real. The people we are talking about that get entrenched in all three of those issues, sees them not the studies you may have read because you're invested in the issue. My point initially was purely social, not talking the facts of the argument more a phenomenon we've increasingly begun to see, especially since the pandemic & the media plays a huge part in that.

 

 

[st albans fox]

7 minutes ago, Otis said:

But it did carry on for around 10 weeks. 

It was the drought that lasted for ten weeks 

And it was often 80/90f but the period 90+ was two weeks.  We aren’t yet in august - we could still see another couple of these 90+ spells in august 

 

its just passed 100f in Leicestershire btw 

Edited 19 July 2022 by st albans fox

[SpacedX]

Just now, The Horse's Mouth said:

 

This is the thing though, where I think you're slightly getting the wrong end of my stick. 

 

 

No, I know exactly what you were referring to, but to remind you, this is what you said -

 

1 hour ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

 However, a lot of the main scaremongering predictions haven't come true

You presented a selection of rather extreme newspaper articles culled from the American popular press cobbled together in a blog written by a far right libertarian thinktank not dissimilar in their bias and leaning to Breitbart. I was referring the the volume of scientific models and data from the same era which have largely proved to be highly accurate. That the lay public are ignorant of or choose to ignore this is as much to do with their inability to recognise and their innate susceptibility to confirmation bias such as that presented by agenda ridden subjective internet sites like the CEI as opposed to 'hysterical' media reporting and hyperbole in the press.