Overtrained,overworked?

[turkish14]

In training…could this be the reason for…

 

-lots off non impact injuries & niggles= muscle Fatigue 

-being out run for large parts of games

-players making mistakes and all round lack of concentration, mis-timed fouls owing to mental fatigue, slow reactions, fast twitch fatigue…

-minimal running into space, finding the voids

 

Just a thought as I’m scratching my head. The only saving Grace at the minute, is Man City started crap last season and got better. Maybe our sports scientist are following the same blueprint, to get stronger as season progresses. 
 

thoughts? 

Edited 28 August 2021 by turkish14

[adamkhalifa]

I was thinking similar too. 

 

But then again, if i'm not mistaken, the training was less intense under Puel.

 

So there is always something to point at. 

 

[CrispinLA in Texas]

Don't understand how other teams haven't had the same injury problems like we have this year. Any answers?

[Matt]

I've just made this point in the post match thread and was going to find a suitable thread or start a thread to discuss it more.

 

On the face of our pre season I was happy, it was successful all but for Fofana's injury.

 

However I did raise the point we started abit late in comparison to other clubs and for me it's coming to bite us on the arse now.

 

Can't help but question our pre season?

 

I think we seemed to start atleast week or even 2 weeks behind many other teams.

 

Now I hear Rodgers talking about fitness and saying "We'll get fitter".

 

To add injuries on top of that are we working too hard in training trying to make up, instead of gradual build up as well as our players looking very flat and tired?

 

It's hard as many players didn't join up till later being away with their international teams but so did many other clubs and even so with the players we had available at the time we must have been one of the latest clubs to start our pre season.

 

Last season I questioned our injuries, I just don't believe we went from being so lucky with little to no injuries to so unlucky with many injuries piling up, when I questioned it last season people said its the extra games, i'm sorry but it's more than that you've gotta be questioning what we do in training (On many aspects).

 

Edited 28 August 2021 by Matt

[Chrysalis]

I think there is a reason, I think its got past the point of been bad luck now.  Its got to the point where I wonder who will be injured before the game is over, or who will be announced injured before the next game.

Edited 28 August 2021 by Chrysalis

[An Away Move]

Losing Fofana changed it all. We looked immense and high in confidence in periods against Villarreal. Turned to shit since. 

[The Horse's Mouth]

We need Nige's PEDs back

[turkish14]

8 minutes ago, Matt said:

I've just made this point in the post match thread and was going to find a suitable thread or start a thread to discuss it more.

 

On the face of our pre season I was happy, it was successful all but for Fofana's injury.

 

However I did raise the point we started abit late in comparison to other clubs and for me it's coming to bite us on the arse now.

 

Can't help but question our pre season?

 

I think we seemed to start atleast week or even 2 weeks behind many other teams.

 

Now I hear Rodgers talking about fitness and saying "We'll get fitter".

 

To add injuries on top of that are we working too hard in training trying to make up, instead of gradual build up as well as our players looking very flat and tired?

 

It's hard as many players didn't join up till later being away with their international teams but so did many other clubs and even so with the players we had available at the time we must have been one of the latest clubs to start our pre season.

 

Last season I questioned our injuries, I just don't believe we went from being so lucky with little to no injuries to so unlucky with many injuries piling up, when I questioned it last season people said its the extra games, i'm sorry but it's more than that you've gotta be questioning what we do in training (On many aspects).

 

I tend to agree…

 

I was always told by to Coaches, injuries don’t just happen. Impact injuries you could argue are unfortunate consequence of contact sport. But all these extra injuries, I’m sure could be avoided. 
 

the fact our players so far against the 3 opponents look shattered as the game evolves, plus as mentioned the mistakes, it’s all clear and evident to me. 

to add, I’m sure Man City started later last year?

Edited 28 August 2021 by turkish14

[NaijaFox]

Understaffed!

 

Despite Kev's goal today, we look woefully minus-one on the right. 

[smudger63]

30 minutes ago, Matt said:

I've just made this point in the post match thread and was going to find a suitable thread or start a thread to discuss it more.

 

On the face of our pre season I was happy, it was successful all but for Fofana's injury.

 

However I did raise the point we started abit late in comparison to other clubs and for me it's coming to bite us on the arse now.

 

Can't help but question our pre season?

 

I think we seemed to start atleast week or even 2 weeks behind many other teams.

 

Now I hear Rodgers talking about fitness and saying "We'll get fitter".

 

To add injuries on top of that are we working too hard in training trying to make up, instead of gradual build up as well as our players looking very flat and tired?

 

It's hard as many players didn't join up till later being away with their international teams but so did many other clubs and even so with the players we had available at the time we must have been one of the latest clubs to start our pre season.

 

Last season I questioned our injuries, I just don't believe we went from being so lucky with little to no injuries to so unlucky with many injuries piling up, when I questioned it last season people said its the extra games, i'm sorry but it's more than that you've gotta be questioning what we do in training (On many aspects).

 

We did indeed. I know that West Ham started 2 weeks before us, and had 2 friendlies before we had even had one.

Some clubs were also playing 2 first team squad games in 2 days, or even on the same day against different opposition, so that their players got more pre season minutes, rather than changing everyone at half time that we were doing.

We certainly do look a bit under cooked to me anyway, but maybe i`m just trying to find a reason for us being so lacklustre at the moment.

[NaijaFox]

29 minutes ago, turkish14 said:

I tend to agree…

 

I was always told by to Coaches, injuries don’t just happen. Impact injuries you could argue are unfortunate consequence of contact sport. But all these extra injuries, I’m sure could be avoided. 
 

the fact our players so far against the 3 opponents look shattered as the game evolves, plus as mentioned the mistakes, it’s all clear and evident to me. 

to add, I’m sure Man City started later last year?

Exactly how so?!

 

Fofana has a broken foot, Justin an ACL, Evans a long-term heel problem that had previously just been managed with some luck, and lord knows what the heck happened with Vestergaard. 

[blueharmie]

Somethings clearly wrong with fitness, did you see them all blowing out their arses second half. 

Same happened at wolves. There is no way we are up to match pace and that is worrying. 

Well of the pace all three games and how we have won two of them is very lucky indeed. 

 

We need that quick slick passing back. 

 

And for ffs play nacho up top with vardy this kills me seeing him benched. 

[turkish14]

1 hour ago, NaijaFox said:

Exactly how so?!

 

Fofana has a broken foot, Justin an ACL, Evans a long-term heel problem that had previously just been managed with some luck, and lord knows what the heck happened with Vestergaard. 

Other than fofana and any others that have had impact injuries, do you not think we have way to many injuries?

 

Vestergaard your rightly highlight, don’t you think it’s a bit bizarre having only just joined. Ricardo today, and some would argue his recurrence are n a cold Ukraine last season didn’t help. 
 

can we be sure evans heel issue(plantar fasciitis?) hasn’t been caused by not landing on ball of foot, or over striding when running?

 

no one knows of course, all guesswork but the point being we have lots of injuries, and how many of them have/are caused by muscle fatigue due to be over trained. 
 

not saying that I’m correct, just debating based on not just injuries but also how knackered the players look.
 

 

[turkish14]

1 hour ago, blueharmie said:

Somethings clearly wrong with fitness, did you see them all blowing out their arses second half. 

Same happened at wolves. There is no way we are up to match pace and that is worrying. 

Well of the pace all three games and how we have won two of them is very lucky indeed. 

 

We need that quick slick passing back. 

 

And for ffs play nacho up top with vardy this kills me seeing him benched. 

Seeing Mark Albrighton at 1 all, walking slowly  to take the corner, approx 30 meters with no sense of urgency, I found bizarre. So did the fans around me 

[blueharmie]

1 minute ago, turkish14 said:

Seeing Mark Albrighton at 1 all, walking slowly  to take the corner, approx 30 meters with no sense of urgency, I found bizarre. So did the fans around me 

It's gets even more bizarre. 

I wonder if they have eased off in training intensity (no Brendan pun) purposely  to prevent injuries or something like this? 

On a different note could it be confidence after not making CL again?

 

Either way we need to get back to our best and for me youri needs to start the orchestra in the midfield. 

[turkish14]

1 minute ago, blueharmie said:

It's gets even more bizarre. 

I wonder if they have eased off in training intensity (no Brendan pun) purposely  to prevent injuries or something like this? 

On a different note could it be confidence after not making CL again?

 

Either way we need to get back to our best and for me youri needs to start the orchestra in the midfield. 

Maybe…

 

it’s certainly IMO worth debating and discussing as most if not all fans can see it’s just not clicking at the minute. 
 

No doubt in my mind fitness is an issue, and with others stating we started pre season later then others, which I wasn’t aware off, it could be this. 

[King of Gipsy Lane]

2 hours ago, Matt said:

I've just made this point in the post match thread and was going to find a suitable thread or start a thread to discuss it more.

 

On the face of our pre season I was happy, it was successful all but for Fofana's injury.

 

However I did raise the point we started abit late in comparison to other clubs and for me it's coming to bite us on the arse now.

 

Can't help but question our pre season?

 

I think we seemed to start atleast week or even 2 weeks behind many other teams.

 

Now I hear Rodgers talking about fitness and saying "We'll get fitter".

 

To add injuries on top of that are we working too hard in training trying to make up, instead of gradual build up as well as our players looking very flat and tired?

 

It's hard as many players didn't join up till later being away with their international teams but so did many other clubs and even so with the players we had available at the time we must have been one of the latest clubs to start our pre season.

 

Last season I questioned our injuries, I just don't believe we went from being so lucky with little to no injuries to so unlucky with many injuries piling up, when I questioned it last season people said its the extra games, i'm sorry but it's more than that you've gotta be questioning what we do in training (On many aspects).

 

Matt you really don’t like Brendans system do you; it’s the same point made in a dozen different ways, on a dozen different threads; you don’t like the way we play under Brendan, any opening you get you will make your point or the issue under discussion match the point your constantly making, football is a subjective opinion sport but we all need to be objective and appreciate the bigger picture to bring some balance to our views and opinions. 
 

I respect your view but try and find some objective balance 

[Lesterlad]

Just wondering if we didn’t have enough friendlies pre season. The first 3 the players only had roughly 45 minutes each and too many subs in the Villarreal and Man City games. Why didn’t we have more friendlies where he could of sent teams to play full 90minutes etc and therefore build more fitness. It just seemed a bit shambolic to me at the time. But what do i know 

[Matt]

13 minutes ago, King of Gipsy Lane said:

Matt you really don’t like Brendans system do you; it’s the same point made in a dozen different ways, on a dozen different threads; you don’t like the way we play under Brendan, any opening you get you will make your point or the issue under discussion match the point your constantly making, football is a subjective opinion sport but we all need to be objective and appreciate the bigger picture to bring some balance to our views and opinions. 
 

I respect your view but try and find some objective balance 

Erm, I'm willing to hold my hands up and admit you have a point although this is the most bizarre post to quote to make the point.

 

Don't think I mention once about the way we play in it.

 

Edited 28 August 2021 by Matt

[King of Gipsy Lane]

2 minutes ago, Matt said:

Erm, I'm willing to hole my hands up and admit you have a point although this is the most bizarre post to quote to make the point.

 

Don't think I mention once about the way we play in it.

Just been watching you jump from thread to thread with the basic point you dislike how we play under Rodgers, it’s not balanced is it bud, it’s simply the same point in a dozen different ways on a dozen different threads 

 

we are in a wonderful period for this club, have a whiskey and enjoy it mate 🤣🤣

[chapero82]

It’s rather strange that BR has a injury crisis wherever he goes e.g Liverpool had 17 players injured while he was there 

https://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/liverpool/news/rodgers-reveals-liverpool-injury-problems_126467.html

 

"Our squad is very thin at the moment. Seventeen players [are injured], which is unfortunate for us coming into a busy period. We just have to assess young Jon Flanagan," Rodgers told reporters. "Leading into the game against Cardiff he had a tight hamstring for a few days. He was fit enough to start and play; he felt it a little bit in the game so obviously we had to take him off.

[sacreblueits442]

20 minutes ago, Lesterlad said:

Just wondering if we didn’t have enough friendlies pre season. The first 3 the players only had roughly 45 minutes each and too many subs in the Villarreal and Man City games. Why didn’t we have more friendlies where he could of sent teams to play full 90minutes etc and therefore build more fitness. It just seemed a bit shambolic to me at the time. But what do i know 

...it did seem strange that we were not getting players the full 90 minutes in games as opposed to 45 minutes then coming off!!!

  Last season we had a plethora of injuries and it appeared this was common throughout the league so it was  an answer that I had to accept.

  We are still accumulating injuries and this also could be from the turn around from last season, the whole thing just seems relentless. 

  For Rodgers I suspect the season really starts when European football starts for us, so we are geared for two games a week for some time, and he has set us up accordingly. We have not exactly featured our new acquisitions, even when the opportunity has called for it, so it seems we are not ready

 for the start of the season, but will be ready for a European quest.

 

 

Edited 28 August 2021 by sacreblueits442

[Lesterlad]

13 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...it did seem strange that we were not getting players the full 90 minutes in games as opposed to 45 minutes then coming off!!!

  Last season we had a plethora of injuries and it appeared this was common throughout the league so it was  an answer that I had to accept.

  We are still accumulating injuries and this also could be from the turn around from last season, the whole thing just seems relentless. 

  For Rodgers I suspect the season really starts when European football starts for us, so we are geared for two games a week for some time, and he has set us up accordingly. We have not exactly featured our new acquisitions, even when the opportunity has called for it, so it seems we are not ready

 for the start of the season, but will be ready for a European quest.

 

 

I totally agree with everything you said.  So if we go out of Europe early our season ends?

[stourbridgefox]

Whatever Pearson did worked and we did not have training injuries and few injuries during games which weren't caused by an impact.

 

Whatever he was doing needs to be learned from as our continual injury list is not down to luck.

[dmayne7]

5 hours ago, Matt said:

I've just made this point in the post match thread and was going to find a suitable thread or start a thread to discuss it more.

 

On the face of our pre season I was happy, it was successful all but for Fofana's injury.

 

However I did raise the point we started abit late in comparison to other clubs and for me it's coming to bite us on the arse now.

 

Can't help but question our pre season?

 

I think we seemed to start atleast week or even 2 weeks behind many other teams.

 

Now I hear Rodgers talking about fitness and saying "We'll get fitter".

 

To add injuries on top of that are we working too hard in training trying to make up, instead of gradual build up as well as our players looking very flat and tired?

 

It's hard as many players didn't join up till later being away with their international teams but so did many other clubs and even so with the players we had available at the time we must have been one of the latest clubs to start our pre season.

 

Last season I questioned our injuries, I just don't believe we went from being so lucky with little to no injuries to so unlucky with many injuries piling up, when I questioned it last season people said its the extra games, i'm sorry but it's more than that you've gotta be questioning what we do in training (On many aspects).

 

Pre season has been odd for a couple of years now. Only playing 4 games when you use 25-30 players is madness. You've got to wonder if that has both contributed to our injuries and the massive drop off in performance and fitness towards the end of the last 2 seasons too?