Season tickets 2022/2023 (going up)

[hejammy]

1 minute ago, KrefelderFox666 said:

Also, I would much rather be going to a match with likeminded fans at affordable prices (for everyone) than pay £50 a match in a library to watch us challenge for Top 4.

 

It feels much better spending a bit less on a good group of players and focussing on youth development than blowing £millions on players. It's just lazy to get more money from fans but not change the fundamentals of how a club is run efficiently. We are certainly not the worst run club by any means but there is still a lot of room for further improvements if the time and effort is put in.

So when we were in league 1 we sold out every match? With less investment we'd become a yo-yo team again if that. 

[Voll Blau]

11 hours ago, MalletFox said:

Whilst I get this statement to an extent, is this not being over exaggerated? 
 

For context, a 8% hike would equate to approx £36 more a season for me, about £3.60 a month … it’s a pint. Not 10 pints, if you cut your boozing down by a SINGLE pint once a month you’re sorted, no impact, its bugger all tbf.

 

I’d genuinely love to do a cost analysis on those complaining to see where I could help with them making better financial decisions to support the £4 a month “hike”. 

You're working on the assumption that everybody going is a bloke who also drinks before matches, rather than say a parent and a child (or a larger family). And even if it is just a bloke who goes on his own, eventually if the threshold rises high enough he'll reach the limit of what he can tolerate financially.

 

It may be bugger all to you but it isn't to somebody. Every time season tickets go up, somebody reaches their limit of what they can afford on luxuries like attending matches. Eventually, you'd reach your limit too.

 

10 hours ago, Nod.E said:

Too bad. Nobody has a God given right to be there, and you'd have a point if Leicester's season ticket prices weren't so competitive for Premier League football. 

 

There are much higher price increases in life right now that might not be so crippling for the working classes if they voted differently. Excuse my lack of sympathy.

Absolutely baffling attitude. You're not going to sympathise with people being priced out of supporting the same football team as you because of who we've got running the country at the moment?

 

Nobody's claiming to have a God given right to be there, just to be able to have the opportunity to do so without financially crippling themselves and their families. You can talk about competitiveness all you like but not one person changes the Premier League team they go and watch on the grounds that tickets are more competitively priced at other clubs. It's a captive audience and, at a time when the cost of living is skyrocketing, any club that increases prices for such meagre financial gain is doing so out of pure greed. If you want to put it in business terms (as so many defending this seem desperate to do), it displays an abject lack of corporate social responsibility.

[hejammy]

3 minutes ago, Voll Blau said:

You're working on the assumption that everybody going is a bloke who also drinks before matches, rather than say a parent and a child (or a larger family). And even if it is just a bloke who goes on his own, eventually if the threshold rises high enough he'll reach the limit of what he can tolerate financially.

 

It may be bugger all to you but it isn't to somebody. Every time season tickets go up, somebody reaches their limit of what they can afford on luxuries like attending matches. Eventually, you'd reach your limit too.

 

Absolutely baffling attitude. You're not going to sympathise with people being priced out of supporting the same football team as you because of who we've got running the country at the moment?

 

Nobody's claiming to have a God given right to be there, just to be able to have the opportunity to do so without financially crippling themselves and their families. You can talk about competitiveness all you like but not one person changes the Premier League team they go and watch on the grounds that tickets are more competitively priced at other clubs. It's a captive audience and, at a time when the cost of living is skyrocketing, any club that increases prices for such meagre financial gain is doing so out of pure greed. If you want to put it in business terms (as so many defending this seem desperate to do), it displays an abject lack of corporate social responsibility.

Total rubbish. They could increase it to 'Arsenal level prices' but they don't. That would be a lack of social responsibility. They've increased it in line (or even less than) with inflation. The term pure greed gets thrown around with no real thought. It isn't pure greed which again has been highlighted out throughout this thread. Do we even know the extent of their corporate responsibilities with regard to charities, work with grassroot football, work with schools? Using these terms you've used are just pure emotive slander with no basis. 

[Voll Blau]

28 minutes ago, hejammy said:

Total rubbish. They could increase it to 'Arsenal level prices' but they don't. That would be a lack of social responsibility. They've increased it in line (or even less than) with inflation. The term pure greed gets thrown around with no real thought. It isn't pure greed which again has been highlighted out throughout this thread. Do we even know the extent of their corporate responsibilities with regard to charities, work with grassroot football, work with schools? Using these terms you've used are just pure emotive slander with no basis. 

"Emotive slander with no basis". People will literally have to give up going to games because of this, that's not in doubt. I know people having to make that very difficult decision right now.

 

Raising ticket prices at a time when a cost of living crisis is about to hit so many so hard is a fvcking crap idea, but all people want to do is look at spreadsheets and applaud the club for not shitting on them personally - and not being as bad as the alleged competition that we'd all apparently be fvcking the club we support off to watch if the price was right.

[MalletFox]

5 minutes ago, Voll Blau said:

You're working on the assumption that everybody going is a bloke who also drinks before matches, rather than say a parent and a child (or a larger family). And even if it is just a bloke who goes on his own, eventually if the threshold rises high enough he'll reach the limit of what he can tolerate financially.

 

It may be bugger all to you but it isn't to somebody. Every time season tickets go up, somebody reaches their limit of what they can afford on luxuries like attending matches. Eventually, you'd reach your limit too.

I’ve gave some examples of comparable costs, of course not everyone impacted is a bloke swigging an ale before every game but it boils down to, is the extra cost worth it compared to other lifestyle choices, e.g, phone bill, internet/WiFi bill, Sky/Virgin TV, Netflix, fags, booze, getting nails done, getting hair done, looking at habitual purchasing patterns, car costs, travel costs, any other subscriptions, non-essential purchases, where we buy food, what brands we buy.

 

Essentially, the assumption here is (which no one else has actually offered to me in response to any of my points), is that the cost of a season tkt to some is a more significant % of said fans disposable income, and thus a bigger financial commitment proportionately to other supporters potentially. I’m obviously only theorising here as I have zero facts as to what constraints every supporter is working too, but the point I’m making is, I think there’s options people can probably take to cover a £36 annual increase, as inconvenient as it may be.

 

Note: I acknowledge there will be some who genuinely may not be able to stretch that extra £36 a year (what % of our 24k ST holders do we think this pertains to?), is it 5 fans, is it 5k fans? Genuinely don’t know, but if someone is able to afford a ST today, then it may (or not) be a reasonable assumption that said person might be able to stretch an extra £3.26 a month.

[hejammy]

3 minutes ago, Voll Blau said:

Well, obviously?

 

 

"Emotive slander with no basis". People will literally have to give up going to games because of this, that's not in doubt. I know people having to make that very difficult decision right now.

 

Raising ticket prices at a time when a cost of living crisis is about to hit so many so hard is a fvcking crap idea, but all people want to do is look at spreadsheets and applaud the club for not shitting on them personally - and not being as bad as the alleged competition that we'd all apparently be fvcking the club we support off to watch if the price was right.

If for example you really enjoyed a certain brand of Crisps and then they increased their prices so a section of their demographic couldn't afford it because they needed to increase their revenue streams, would there be an up roar? People would have to accept it, it's unfortunate yes but its life. They have a choice of either making more sacrifices or looking at other forms of more affordable entertainment. 

[AKCJ]

Just now, hejammy said:

If for example you really enjoyed a certain brand of Crisps and then they increased their prices so a section of their demographic couldn't afford it because they needed to increase their revenue streams, would there be an up roar? People would have to accept it, it's unfortunate yes but its life. They have a choice of either making more sacrifices or looking at other forms of more affordable entertainment. 

To millions of people, football isn't just affordable entertainment.

[MattFox]

2 minutes ago, MalletFox said:

I’ve gave some examples of comparable costs, of course not everyone impacted is a bloke swigging an ale before every game but it boils down to, is the extra cost worth it compared to other lifestyle choices, e.g, phone bill, internet/WiFi bill, Sky/Virgin TV, Netflix, fags, booze, getting nails done, getting hair done, looking at habitual purchasing patterns, car costs, travel costs, any other subscriptions, non-essential purchases, where we buy food, what brands we buy.

 

Essentially, the assumption here is (which no one else has actually offered to me in response to any of my points), is that the cost of a season tkt to some is a more significant % of said fans disposable income, and thus a bigger financial commitment proportionately to other supporters potentially. I’m obviously only theorising here as I have zero facts as to what constraints every supporter is working too, but the point I’m making is, I think there’s options people can probably take to cover a £36 annual increase, as inconvenient as it may be.

 

Note: I acknowledge there will be some who genuinely may not be able to stretch that extra £36 a year (what % of our 24k ST holders do we think this pertains to?), is it 5 fans, is it 5k fans? Genuinely don’t know, but if someone is able to afford a ST today, then it may (or not) be a reasonable assumption that said person might be able to stretch an extra £3.26 a month.

£36 is a lot of money when the price of everything else has gone up too though and it’s not as if the ticket is the only major match day expense given most don’t live in walking distance.

 

 

[kingkisnorbo]

This whole thread, whatever the side of the debate you are on, is a really sad microcosm of what the game is now for me.

 

Supporters being described as ‘customers’ and clubs being described as ‘businesses’. It’s just so polluted now. I definitely see a world where I pack it in in the not so distant future. Getting further and further away from the game I fell in love with. 

[hejammy]

1 minute ago, AKCJ said:

To millions of people, football isn't just affordable entertainment.

The only comparison is that for example I absolutely love going on holiday and travelling to see different places and cultures, almost as much as going to the football. BUT I am not going to complain about tour companies increasing their prices or hotels increasing their prices due to covid etc. It's a luxury unfortunately and again.... That is life! 

[chapero82]

it's all good people saying you don't have to pay it, but with all the rising prices on everything they are leaving some with no choice because they can't afford to renew

[SemperEadem]

2 minutes ago, kingkisnorbo said:

This whole thread, whatever the side of the debate you are on, is a really sad microcosm of what the game is now for me.

 

Supporters being described as ‘customers’ and clubs being described as ‘businesses’. It’s just so polluted now. I definitely see a world where I pack it in in the not so distant future. Getting further and further away from the game I fell in love with. 

Yeah this. Plus the lack of supporters sticking with one and other on supporter issues.

[KrefelderFox666]

26 minutes ago, hejammy said:

So when we were in league 1 we sold out every match? With less investment we'd become a yo-yo team again if that. 

The first point has nothing to do with my post so I will ignore that.

 

The second point is not a given though? Are you saying that if we do not increase our ticket prices, we are going to get relegated? If there is a direct link between investment and success, then why have Burnley been in the PL for nearly 10 years? Why have PSG still not won the CL? Why did we finish Top 5 two seasons running?

 

It is not about maximising revenue at all costs. A well run club (or any business) is about being set up correctly from the core with values that staff/customers can associate with. Success is not measured on revenue alone. It is about being well run, minimising costs where possible, employing the right people for the business.

 

What if we raise the ticket prices and get relegated because the club has bought 10 Vestergaards next season? Is that the right way to do it? Fans will be priced out and the club will have to work hard to get them back.

[Fox92]

1 minute ago, SemperEadem said:

Yeah this. Plus the lack of supporters sticking with one and other on supporter issues.

People are blinded because of our on field success.

 

Such a shame any thread on the club turns into "well the owners have done this, so expect this". Such a weird view to have. As fans we're here longer than any owner/manager/player so we should have our say on the club.

[fox_up_north]

52 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

Yeh, I always drive conservatively and it used to be less than £20 return trip to matches. Eat at parents house, park for free and walk to the ground etc. now it’s £30-35 return with no traffic up the M1. I have been taking the train recently at about £40 return and it’s much easier, plus I always claim some money back for some unspecified inconvenience so works out cheaper too 

Train for me would have to be 25 minute drive to a mainline station, plus parking, then about £56 return with 2 changes. Total of about 3 hours travel. 

 

I live up near Manchester and it's, sadly, not justifiable. The sad fact is top level football is out of reach for the majority. 

[SemperEadem]

Talking to a few younger lads the other day who were bracing themselves for the 21 to adult price change of bracket. This on top won’t make that jump any easier.

Edited 10 March 2022 by SemperEadem

[Voll Blau]

22 minutes ago, MalletFox said:

I’ve gave some examples of comparable costs, of course not everyone impacted is a bloke swigging an ale before every game but it boils down to, is the extra cost worth it compared to other lifestyle choices, e.g, phone bill, internet/WiFi bill, Sky/Virgin TV, Netflix, fags, booze, getting nails done, getting hair done, looking at habitual purchasing patterns, car costs, travel costs, any other subscriptions, non-essential purchases, where we buy food, what brands we buy.

 

Essentially, the assumption here is (which no one else has actually offered to me in response to any of my points), is that the cost of a season tkt to some is a more significant % of said fans disposable income, and thus a bigger financial commitment proportionately to other supporters potentially. I’m obviously only theorising here as I have zero facts as to what constraints every supporter is working too, but the point I’m making is, I think there’s options people can probably take to cover a £36 annual increase, as inconvenient as it may be.

 

Note: I acknowledge there will be some who genuinely may not be able to stretch that extra £36 a year (what % of our 24k ST holders do we think this pertains to?), is it 5 fans, is it 5k fans? Genuinely don’t know, but if someone is able to afford a ST today, then it may (or not) be a reasonable assumption that said person might be able to stretch an extra £3.26 a month.

I don't know how you think anyone could survive in 21st century Britain without having access to a phone, the internet and transport. Having access to those things isn't a "lifestyle choice".

 

You're still making a huge assumption too that there are other "luxuries" most could and should be cutting down on to afford their day at the football. To some people, watching City in the flesh is the only luxury they want or need in life - and every time an unnecessary extra expense is enforced upon them it becomes that little bit more difficult for them to do that.

 

22 minutes ago, hejammy said:

If for example you really enjoyed a certain brand of Crisps and then they increased their prices so a section of their demographic couldn't afford it because they needed to increase their revenue streams, would there be an up roar? People would have to accept it, it's unfortunate yes but its life. They have a choice of either making more sacrifices or looking at other forms of more affordable entertainment. 

 

Is that meant to be a serious comparison? For one thing, people can and do successfully boycott brands all the time. Secondly, eating a bag of crisps isn't "a form of entertainment". Thirdly, nobody in the world has the same emotional connection to a bag of crisps as they do the football club they support, and that their families may have supported for generations.

Edited 10 March 2022 by Voll Blau

[Haywood_6]

Not a ST holder but I'm a member who's been to about 8 games this season. 3 of which have been Europa League and 2 in the FA/League Cup. The other three were in the PL. The prices for Cup competitions £15-£20 to sit anywhere in the ground is good. You can't ask for any better than that. But £45 a ticket so sit near my family/friends in the East Stand for PL games does feel like a bit of a fisting. Going to do two more PL games this season and that will be my lot.

[AllGoneTitsSchlupp]

12 minutes ago, SemperEadem said:

Talking to a few younger lads the other day who were bracing themselves for the 21 to adult price change of bracket. This on top won’t make that jump any easier.

same situation for my brother. his will be going up approx £150 even before the 8%

[Bert]

The thing is, if people can’t renew (again, I do have empathy because it’s not nice at all) there’s thousands of people that are desperate to get their hands on a season ticket and will pay anything. The club of course know this.

[AllGoneTitsSchlupp]

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Edited 10 March 2022 by AllGoneTitsSchlupp

[Golden Fox]

I feel the discussion is going round in circles, but we are talking about going to watch world class entertainment. This is the best football league in the world (in terms of what broadcasters are willing to pay to show it) and you get to see a lot of the best players in the world (some world class players for Leicester, and plenty playing for opposition teams).

 

If you want to watch world class live entertainment and go an watch a West end show, you are talking about about £40 minimum going up to £70 or £80. You expect to pay these prices to watch this, and it is a special event - this is not something you would do 19 times or more a year.

 

I understand the history of the game as a working mans game and that it used to be very cheap to get tickets, but that was when players wages were a lot lower, training facilities were poor, stadiums were dilapidated and there was very little infrastructure behind the scenes to be paid for. That is not the case with the modern day Premier League. If you are choosing to go and watch world class entertainment 19 times a year, then you should expect to pay for it - and as people have said, our prices are cheap compared to most the Premier League.

[Jobyfox]

5 minutes ago, Golden Fox said:

I feel the discussion is going round in circles, but we are talking about going to watch world class entertainment. This is the best football league in the world (in terms of what broadcasters are willing to pay to show it) and you get to see a lot of the best players in the world (some world class players for Leicester, and plenty playing for opposition teams).

 

If you want to watch world class live entertainment and go an watch a West end show, you are talking about about £40 minimum going up to £70 or £80. You expect to pay these prices to watch this, and it is a special event - this is not something you would do 19 times or more a year.

 

I understand the history of the game as a working mans game and that it used to be very cheap to get tickets, but that was when players wages were a lot lower, training facilities were poor, stadiums were dilapidated and there was very little infrastructure behind the scenes to be paid for. That is not the case with the modern day Premier League. If you are choosing to go and watch world class entertainment 19 times a year, then you should expect to pay for it - and as people have said, our prices are cheap compared to most the Premier League.

Yes, I’ll remember that line after another performance like Forest away, but broadly I agree. I’m not overly fussed about paying a bit more as it’s been frozen for a little while now 

[Out Foxed]

here we go

 

 

this club's slow creep towards change will accelerate. they've been moving their chess pieces. 

[volpeazzurro]

9 minutes ago, Golden Fox said:

I feel the discussion is going round in circles, but we are talking about going to watch world class entertainment. This is the best football league in the world (in terms of what broadcasters are willing to pay to show it) and you get to see a lot of the best players in the world (some world class players for Leicester, and plenty playing for opposition teams).

 

If you want to watch world class live entertainment and go an watch a West end show, you are talking about about £40 minimum going up to £70 or £80. You expect to pay these prices to watch this, and it is a special event - this is not something you would do 19 times or more a year.

 

I understand the history of the game as a working mans game and that it used to be very cheap to get tickets, but that was when players wages were a lot lower, training facilities were poor, stadiums were dilapidated and there was very little infrastructure behind the scenes to be paid for. That is not the case with the modern day Premier League. If you are choosing to go and watch world class entertainment 19 times a year, then you should expect to pay for it - and as people have said, our prices are cheap compared to most the Premier League.

You lost me at 'world class entertainment ' 🤣🤣