New Manager

[Daggers]

Whoever this new manager is, he clearly isn’t the right fit and I want him gone. It’s long gone time to begin planning for the even newer new manager.

[East Langton Fox]

5th, 5th and 8th plus our first FA cup. Not bad. Since the heady days of 2015/16 we seem to have expectations of Champions League and other such riches.

I think BR will go before the fans chase him out. We should be careful what we wish for. 

[dylanlegend]

3 minutes ago, East Langton Fox said:

5th, 5th and 8th plus our first FA cup. Not bad. Since the heady days of 2015/16 we seem to have expectations of Champions League and other such riches.

I think BR will go before the fans chase him out. We should be careful what we wish for. 

It’s a good point but all is supporters want is progress. Steady progress its clear currently we are regressing and not progressing. Rodgers is a good coach but his record with signings is very poor at every club he’s been to. I’d rather us spend 10mill to get rid of Rodgers than waste 50mill on players than don’t improve the starting 11

[Ric Flair]

21 minutes ago, Daggers said:

Whoever this new manager is, he clearly isn’t the right fit and I want him gone. It’s long gone time to begin planning for the even newer new manager.

Bit early to call for the prospective new managers head an'all pal, give them 20 minutes at least!!!!

[Guest Kopfkino]

I want a bit of a bastard next time around. Since Pearson we’ve just had managers that are either nice or timid and even since O’Neill we’ve hardly had anyone with that side to them.

I want a bit of Malcolm Tucker rather than David Brent next time.

[Chrysalis]

22 hours ago, Stadt said:

It’s hard to tell with Dyche, there’s only one point of reference with his Burnley team. Given their ownership and board weren’t interested in club building at all the job he did was remarkable. 
 

He’s more progressive than the perception, Burnley pressed far higher and more aggressively than they got credit for.

 

The reason he wouldn’t be my first choice is he’s only ever coached direct football and we have a squad decidedly not suitable to play it. Although it’s not Dyche’s fault he played to his side’s strengths whilst not having the budget and recruitment set up in place to ever change it.

 

There’s better managers out there but we could do worse, our managerial recruitment has never been bold under the current ownership.

Priority for new manager is sorting out our defence, so it would be progression for us.

 

I am also not convinced we dont have direct football players, occasionally we play direct, its not often but it happens every so often, and we look formidable when we do so.  The assumption seems to be its a possession team because thats how we play most of the time.

[l444ry]

Would take any manager that didn't treat football like a game of chess. Am convinced the team would improve immediately if their game was simplified by just shifting the ball forward quicker, getting into crossing areas and therefore creating more chances. This one up top and pitter pattering across the field backwards and sideways makes City the most predictable side in the League and makes it virtually pointless playing Vardy. Most people know this. It's not rocket science.  

[FoxyJim1987]

35 minutes ago, l444ry said:

Would take any manager that didn't treat football like a game of chess. Am convinced the team would improve immediately if their game was simplified by just shifting the ball forward quicker, getting into crossing areas and therefore creating more chances. This one up top and pitter pattering across the field backwards and sideways makes City the most predictable side in the League and makes it virtually pointless playing Vardy. Most people know this. It's not rocket science.  

I agree our football has been overthought, over complicated and we usually have one or two (hundred) passes too many. I think the way he's set us up in the first 2 games is very poor. It's not a 343 like he says it. I'm sorry but JJ and Castagne are wing backs/ full backs, not wingers or wide miss. It's a 541, 5311 at best. It isolates Vardy, it makes Madders too deep, and it's about time we went back to basics and attacking the opposition. If we play the same v saints then I can't see us winning.

[BenTheFox]

On 15/08/2022 at 08:23, Finnegan said:

 

Dyche would be my absolute worst nightmare. 

Roberto Martinez would be mine. All of the worst elements of Rodgers times by ten. 

[FosseSpark]

Dyche

[AjcW]

13 hours ago, TMELcfc said:

The more I watch Brentford and Brighton, the more I like. 
Yes they have their style, but when I heard Frank talking after the Utd game he gave away a lot of individual/small insightful sound bites of areas they targeted. Yes play our way, but where are the other areas we can target. 
Same with Potter although not heard him go into as much detail as Frank. 
 

The managers from abroad I’m afraid I have no opinion on, not as young as I used to be so don’t get much foreign football in (or play fifa anymore!) 
  
 

I think a lot of Franks success is the club structure too, Brentford are incredibly well run, Benham has implemented moneyball and made it work in football which is mighty impressive. They seem set up to make managers look good and continue to succeed. I'm not saying he's not got his qualities, but I try not to get sucked in to an 'up and coming successful Brentford manager' story.

 

Since Beham took over they've had 3 managers who have been brilliant, been poached, failed in their next jobs.

 

Rosler went to Wigan and Leeds and failed

 

Warburton went to Rangers and flopped and then Forest and did even worse

 

Dean Smith, yes he got Villa promoted but JUST (with a great squad) then they spent £144m to only just survive the prem next season, then tailed off completely leading to his sacking. Currently at Norwich with 1 point from opening 2 games in the champ, don't think he will make christmas. 

[ARM1968]

14 hours ago, Nalis said:

Loads of neutrals I know think the same thing about stock.

 

My counter argument is just because he was shit somewhere everyone has been shit and is shit, it doesnt automatically mean he'll be decent elsewhere.

Looking at what he achieved with Man UTD I’d say he was far from shit. He was just caught up in a shit storm. 

[suffolk fox]

Cant seriously believe what I am reading do people really want Dyche, Solskaer as our next manager?  Roberto Martinez?  Really?

Rogers ok people dont like him I get that.  However, two 5th place finishes, a Europa conference league semi final, a fa and charity shield win, people he will not get sacked.  He may walk because it doesnt take a rocket scientist to realise somethinng bad has gone on at our club.  Perhaps the spending on the new training ground or putting money aside to develop the ground has had a detrimental effect on our finances.

 

Surely though, if questions have to be asked the buck must stop with people like Rudkin, Whelan and even Top.  Rudkin especially, doesnt he sanction the transfers?

 

People should take a step back and think.  We are 2 games into the season we have drawn one and lost one.  Look at Everton, West Ham,  and Man United.  All have spent a fortune, currently all are below us in the table.  Liverpool too, spent loads, I am sure they are not happy with only 2 draws.  Fledgling table and season it may be but some people already saying Liverpool cant catch Man City re the title race.

 

Perhaps blame should be laid at the clubs board the buck doesnt stop at Rogers.  Plus FFP really has screwed clubs like us over.  It only benefits the big 6 that is what it was designed to do.  They may not have their super league but with FFP they dont need it.

 

 

Edited 16 August 2022 by suffolk fox

[TMELcfc]

1 hour ago, AjcW said:

I think a lot of Franks success is the club structure too, Brentford are incredibly well run, Benham has implemented moneyball and made it work in football which is mighty impressive. They seem set up to make managers look good and continue to succeed. I'm not saying he's not got his qualities, but I try not to get sucked in to an 'up and coming successful Brentford manager' story.

 

Since Beham took over they've had 3 managers who have been brilliant, been poached, failed in their next jobs.

 

Rosler went to Wigan and Leeds and failed

 

Warburton went to Rangers and flopped and then Forest and did even worse

 

Dean Smith, yes he got Villa promoted but JUST (with a great squad) then they spent £144m to only just survive the prem next season, then tailed off completely leading to his sacking. Currently at Norwich with 1 point from opening 2 games in the champ, don't think he will make christmas. 

I get where you are coming from, and know the story (money ball etc.) but it has been some of the tactical insight side I like in post match interviews. He’s spiky when they lose so don’t get much then, but when they win, he comes across like they’ve really thought about it. My impression of our manager is “play the same way no matter who we play against, this is the Barcelona way! I can speak Spanish you know?”

I’ve just found it a bit refreshing, Brendan isn’t the only one, who knows what they like and just stick to it, I think Poch (who people keep mentioning) is the same. Spurs mate always said there was never a plan B with him, and if there was, it was alien to the players because they just worked on plan A everyday in training. 

Edited 16 August 2022 by TMELcfc

[AjcW]

11 minutes ago, TMELcfc said:

I get where you are coming from, and know the story (money ball etc.) but it has been some of the tactical insight side I like in post match interviews. He’s spiky when they lose so don’t get much then, but when they win, he comes across like they’ve really thought about it. My impression of our manager is “play the same way no matter who we play against, this is the Barcelona way! I can speak Spanish you know?”

I’ve just found it a bit refreshing, Brendan isn’t the only one, who knows what they like and just stick to it, I think Poch (who people keep mentioning) is the same. Spurs mate always said there was never a plan B with him, and if there was, it was alien to the players because they just worked on plan A everyday in training. 

Yeah fair points, and some funny ones that I agree with too  

 

In Franks defence he did 5 years at Bronby before Brentford too. So some pedagree for sure. 

[notnow john]

1 hour ago, AjcW said:

I think a lot of Franks success is the club structure too, Brentford are incredibly well run, Benham has implemented moneyball and made it work in football which is mighty impressive. They seem set up to make managers look good and continue to succeed. I'm not saying he's not got his qualities, but I try not to get sucked in to an 'up and coming successful Brentford manager' story.

 

Since Beham took over they've had 3 managers who have been brilliant, been poached, failed in their next jobs.

 

Rosler went to Wigan and Leeds and failed

 

Warburton went to Rangers and flopped and then Forest and did even worse

 

Dean Smith, yes he got Villa promoted but JUST (with a great squad) then they spent £144m to only just survive the prem next season, then tailed off completely leading to his sacking. Currently at Norwich with 1 point from opening 2 games in the champ, don't think he will make christmas. 

Good perspective

[Guest Lako42]

This thread is making me consider keeping BR forever and I've been Rodgers out for a long time. 

[ARM1968]

1 hour ago, suffolk fox said:

Cant seriously believe what I am reading do people really want Dyche, Solskaer as our next manager?  Roberto Martinez?  Really?

Rogers ok people dont like him I get that.  However, two 5th place finishes, a Europa conference league semi final, a fa and charity shield win, people he will not get sacked.  He may walk because it doesnt take a rocket scientist to realise somethinng bad has gone on at our club.  Perhaps the spending on the new training ground or putting money aside to develop the ground has had a detrimental effect on our finances.

 

Surely though, if questions have to be asked the buck must stop with people like Rudkin, Whelan and even Top.  Rudkin especially, doesnt he sanction the transfers?

 

People should take a step back and think.  We are 2 games into the season we have drawn one and lost one.  Look at Everton, West Ham,  and Man United.  All have spent a fortune, currently all are below us in the table.  Liverpool too, spent loads, I am sure they are not happy with only 2 draws.  Fledgling table and season it may be but some people already saying Liverpool cant catch Man City re the title race.

 

Perhaps blame should be laid at the clubs board the buck doesnt stop at Rogers.  Plus FFP really has screwed clubs like us over.  It only benefits the big 6 that is what it was designed to do.  They may not have their super league but with FFP they dont need it.

 

 

Of course Liverpool can catch Man City. Long season. Do them home and away, job done. Will they?  Likely not, but it’s still doable. The issue now is Man City’s fire power with Halland. I’d be surprised if he doesn’t his 30 goals this season. 

[norwichfox]

Dyche would fit the profile required in Foxes Talk, plenty of opportunities for argument discussion, a manager that I really don't want...but currently I'd prefer at the helm than the clown we have who throws the team and senior management under the bus at every opportunity.

[BKLFox]

5 hours ago, TMELcfc said:

I get where you are coming from, and know the story (money ball etc.) but it has been some of the tactical insight side I like in post match interviews. He’s spiky when they lose so don’t get much then, but when they win, he comes across like they’ve really thought about it. My impression of our manager is “play the same way no matter who we play against, this is the Barcelona way! I can speak Spanish you know?”

I’ve just found it a bit refreshing, Brendan isn’t the only one, who knows what they like and just stick to it, I think Poch (who people keep mentioning) is the same. Spurs mate always said there was never a plan B with him, and if there was, it was alien to the players because they just worked on plan A everyday in training. 

You pick 2 points that you like about Frank yet these same 2 points are used as criticism about Rodgers

1.Tactical insight when they win, like - Rodgers it's all about me & my tactics

2. Shows he really thought about it, like - Rodgers over thinks games

 

I know what you mean but just goes to show how words in a post match interview can be manipulated to fit a point

 

 

 

 

Edited 16 August 2022 by BKLFox

[TMELcfc]

20 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

You pick 2 points that you like about Frank yet these same 2 points are used as criticism about Rodgers

1.Tactical insight when they win, like - Rodgers it's all about me & my tactics

2. Shows he really thought about it, like - Rodgers over thinks games

 

I know what you mean but just goes to show how words in a post match interview can be manipulated to fit a point

 

 

 

 

I very rarely feel I’ve listened to a Rodgers masterclass after games, win lose or draw, it’s normally the same thing I.e. went about our work, need a better pass in final 3rd, thought we pressed well… it’s all generic stuff. Frank had gone into real specifics which I just found refreshing. 

[BKLFox]

6 minutes ago, TMELcfc said:

I very rarely feel I’ve listened to a Rodgers masterclass after games, win lose or draw, it’s normally the same thing I.e. went about our work, need a better pass in final 3rd, thought we pressed well… it’s all generic stuff. Frank had gone into real specifics which I just found refreshing. 

As i say not having a pop at you but highlighting any words can be bent to fit an agenda.

The main take was targeting Martinez & Shaw, even Jamie Redknapp could pick that up, if Rodgers had mentioned this it would be its all about me look how i identified targeting 2 short men or be twisted into our right sided players knew they had them on toast so attacked them without caution it wasn't Rodgers tactics.
Then 4 nil at HT typical Rodgers tactics sit on a lead when his team were fully on top should have went for the jugular.
Or
Tag makes changes dragging Martinez & Shaw off shoring up that left side, then it's Rodgers outwitted

Again not going at you just using the interview, if that was Rodgers speaking the exact same words as Frank it's received differently

 

I will also say Frank is a very bad loser (not just against us) but then post match interviews media bull anyway

[TMELcfc]

44 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

As i say not having a pop at you but highlighting any words can be bent to fit an agenda.

The main take was targeting Martinez & Shaw, even Jamie Redknapp could pick that up, if Rodgers had mentioned this it would be its all about me look how i identified targeting 2 short men or be twisted into our right sided players knew they had them on toast so attacked them without caution it wasn't Rodgers tactics.
Then 4 nil at HT typical Rodgers tactics sit on a lead when his team were fully on top should have went for the jugular.
Or
Tag makes changes dragging Martinez & Shaw off shoring up that left side, then it's Rodgers outwitted

Again not going at you just using the interview, if that was Rodgers speaking the exact same words as Frank it's received differently

 

I will also say Frank is a very bad loser (not just against us) but then post match interviews media bull anyway

Just to clear up, I’ve already mentioned Franks nonsense when he loses. 
And I have heard Frank go into detail several times before, not just one specific game. 
Rodgers, like so many, rarely offer deep insight, they remain guarded and would rather not let everyone latch onto their thinking. So I’m not saying he and his backroom staff don’t do their homework, but I have to say, I’ve seen very little evidence over past 18 months where we have done anything far from the usual… eart sleep repeat. For me, that’s when it’s time for a change, either new backroom staff, a squad overhaul, or a change in manager. We have done none of those… sorry went off on a tangent there! 
I like Frank, I like Potter, but while Rodgers is still here I guess it’s pretty pointless discussing a replacement (especially if it’s Dyche 😂)

[Vindaloo FOX]

1. Marco Rose, don't think he would come to us.

 

2. Marcelino, feel he would do a wonderful job here.

 

3. Pepe Bordalás, doesn't play the most attractive football but his teams have high work rate and are very physical, something we have been massively lacking for a long time.

[Sir Shep]

Anyone!