Corky Posted 12 February 2023 Posted 12 February 2023 9 hours ago, Facecloth said: I've seen Castagne get himself tied up knots like that a few times, regardless of the keeper. If we're claiming Ward doesn't instill confidence in his defence, I doubt Castagne instills confidence in his keeper. Looked like Ward was trying to take control before Castagne dribbles round him and then trips over his own feet. There is that issue but yesterday it looked as though Ward was going to clear it, seemed to stop, Castagne had a player behind him and panicked. Not good all round but I'd blame Ward there.
Popular Post Ric Flair Posted 12 February 2023 Popular Post Posted 12 February 2023 9 hours ago, Facecloth said: I've seen Castagne get himself tied up knots like that a few times, regardless of the keeper. If we're claiming Ward doesn't instill confidence in his defence, I doubt Castagne instills confidence in his keeper. Looked like Ward was trying to take control before Castagne dribbles round him and then trips over his own feet. Ward has now had mix ups with Fofana, Evans, Amartey, Castagne, Justin, Faes Ndidi. There's probably been others as well. He just doesn't seem to have the authority and the clarity to be in sync with his teammates. Not seen a worse keeper at this level for us. Rodgers must really not rate Iversen either. 8
Jimothy Posted 12 February 2023 Posted 12 February 2023 Just now, Corky said: There is that issue but yesterday it looked as though Ward was going to clear it, seemed to stop, Castagne had a player behind him and panicked. Not good all round but I'd blame Ward there. Ward is in the motion of swinging his leg to kick the ball, he certainly didn't stop and cause Castagne to mess up. Only one player lost control and it was Castagne. Ward does need replacing in the summer, we all know that, buy lets not start criticising him for everything even when it's not him. I've seen Castagne have moments like that a few times even before Ward was number 1. Running back to his own goal I've seen him stumble, panic and get caught out a few times, and that situation was probably more to do with Castagne's own worrys about his own limitations in that situation than anything else. He's probably well aware he's not great facing his own goal and panicked.
Jimothy Posted 12 February 2023 Posted 12 February 2023 1 minute ago, Ric Flair said: Ward has now had mix ups with Fofana, Evans, Amartey, Castagne, Justin, Faes Ndidi. There's probably been others as well. He just doesn't seem to have the authority and the clarity to be in sync with his teammates. Not seen a worse keeper at this level for us. Rodgers must really not rate Iversen either. Not relevant to an individual situation though. In this one, Castagne, who has messed up numerous times himself regardless of who's in goal, is the one who causes the chaos. I'm not saying Ward doesn't need replacing, I'm not saying he's a great keeper, I'm just saying let's not put everything on him when it's not always his fault.
Raj Posted 12 February 2023 Posted 12 February 2023 Ward doesn't instill ANY confidence in the fans or his team mates. As previously stated, he is championship level at best.
JimmyC74 Posted 12 February 2023 Posted 12 February 2023 27 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: Ward has now had mix ups with Fofana, Evans, Amartey, Castagne, Justin, Faes Ndidi. There's probably been others as well. He just doesn't seem to have the authority and the clarity to be in sync with his teammates. Not seen a worse keeper at this level for us. Rodgers must really not rate Iversen either. Fully expect a new No. 1 keeper to be brought in during the summer 1
MarriedaLeicesterGirl Posted 12 February 2023 Posted 12 February 2023 2 hours ago, Ric Flair said: Ward has now had mix ups with Fofana, Evans, Amartey, Castagne, Justin, Faes Ndidi. There's probably been others as well. He just doesn't seem to have the authority and the clarity to be in sync with his teammates. Not seen a worse keeper at this level for us. Rodgers must really not rate Iversen either. I wouldn't be suprised if Iversen gets the nod soon (maybe if he has a good showing against Blackburn). We beat a top 4 team yesterday, and Brendan went out of his way to criticize Ward in his post-game comments. If the majority backline is knocking on the manager's door to say the GK isn't up to snuff (which I can imagine happening), you have to make the switch. 4
Claridge Posted 12 February 2023 Posted 12 February 2023 Problem is Iverson has looked totally convincing when given a chance and has no experience at a high level. Ward isnt great, but a better option than Iverson at the moment. Dont fancy gambling on Iverson making the step up from what ive seen of him
Ric Flair Posted 12 February 2023 Posted 12 February 2023 3 minutes ago, Claridge said: Problem is Iverson has looked totally convincing when given a chance and has no experience at a high level. Ward isnt great, but a better option than Iverson at the moment. Dont fancy gambling on Iverson making the step up from what ive seen of him He's not conceded a goal yet for us and was player of the year in the Championship for Preston. I'm sure there's reasons why they think Ward is the better choice but there's no evidence that the fans have seen surely. 1
Dahnsouff Posted 12 February 2023 Posted 12 February 2023 (edited) How can that be anyone other than Ward’s fault? He sees the whole play in front of him. He has to call it, Timmy is running back, so he does not see enough. Ward has to take control and tell Castagne what to ply surely? Edited 12 February 2023 by Dahnsouff 4
westernpark Posted 12 February 2023 Posted 12 February 2023 From what I’ve seen of both keepers, watching Iversen on tv occasionally in the championship, I’d argue that Ward and him are of the same ability with the ball. Perhaps Ward is even slightly better at this aspect of his game! Nonetheless, Iversen for all the traditional goalkeeper qualities, shotstopping, command of box(catching crosses, dominating his defence and opposition), I would happily argue he is so much better than Ward. Further the intangible quality of feeling safer with him between the sticks, it’s a no brainier that Iversen wins hands down. 1
Ric Flair Posted 12 February 2023 Posted 12 February 2023 1 minute ago, Dahnsouff said: How can that be anyone other than Ward’s fault? He sees the whole play in front of him. He has to call it, Timmy is running back, so he does not see enough. Ward has to take control and tell Astahne what to ply surely? Yeah I have to agree, I'm blaming Ward for the majority of that.
Jimothy Posted 12 February 2023 Posted 12 February 2023 13 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said: How can that be anyone other than Ward’s fault? He sees the whole play in front of him. He has to call it, Timmy is running back, so he does not see enough. Ward has to take control and tell Castagne what to ply surely? He does take control, he's literally in the motion of kicking the ball away
Chelmofox Posted 12 February 2023 Posted 12 February 2023 Iversen Looked sensational in the warmup. Just saying.
coolhandfox Posted 12 February 2023 Posted 12 February 2023 (edited) Players make strange decisions when they have no faith in the keeper. Like Wout against Liverpool, probably heard Wards shout but still felt he had to deal with it. Ward should be taking control and tell Castange what to do. Ward has the whole picture,Castange doesn't. Edited 12 February 2023 by coolhandfox 1
Sunbury Fox Posted 12 February 2023 Posted 12 February 2023 Replacing Ward is one of 4 massive tasks in the summer, the others being tying down Tetê (or a RW of similar quality), and securing high quality replacements for both Madders and Youri, who will almost certainly (and very sadly) leave at the end of the season. 1
Dahnsouff Posted 12 February 2023 Posted 12 February 2023 4 minutes ago, Facecloth said: He does take control, he's literally in the motion of kicking the ball away You think Castagne takes it away from him? Ward stood still but does shape to kick it, but he did not move to clear it and I saw no evidence a shout had been made.
Jimothy Posted 12 February 2023 Posted 12 February 2023 11 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said: You think Castagne takes it away from him? Ward stood still but does shape to kick it, but he did not move to clear it and I saw no evidence a shout had been made. He's swings his leg to kick to kick the ball, how much more movement do you want? Castagne literally knocks the ball past Ward, at the moment he's making the action to kick the ball, so yes he does take it away from him. Whether Ward shouted is pure speculation as we can't hear, but he was getting pelters for not calling for it when Faes scores the OG at Liverpool, but there's actually evidence he did and people still said he didn't and blamed him for Faes's mistake. Just feel its getting beyond the joke now. Hes not a great keeper, but he's not responsible for every mistake every other defender makes. 1
filbertway Posted 12 February 2023 Posted 12 February 2023 It's quite simple really. If he's shouted "keepers" or something similar, then it's Timmy's fault. If he hasn't shouted then it's his fault. Lovely save from a free kick earlier on though!
shailen Posted 12 February 2023 Posted 12 February 2023 He's just not commanding enough. We need a new keeper that instills confidence in the defence 2
foxes_rule1978 Posted 12 February 2023 Posted 12 February 2023 He isn’t good enough for a number 1 in the PL, makes far too many mistakes and his positioning at times is laughable…
Jimmy Posted 12 February 2023 Posted 12 February 2023 1 hour ago, MarriedaLeicesterGirl said: I wouldn't be suprised if Iversen gets the nod soon (maybe if he has a good showing against Blackburn). We beat a top 4 team yesterday, and Brendan went out of his way to criticize Ward in his post-game comments. If the majority backline is knocking on the manager's door to say the GK isn't up to snuff (which I can imagine happening), you have to make the switch. he did? what did he say?
Corky Posted 12 February 2023 Posted 12 February 2023 I thought he was going to clear it, then he realised how close Castagne was and whether it might hit him and rebound so hesitated and put Castagne off. Anyway, hope it is looked at and worked on.
Nolucklcfc Posted 12 February 2023 Posted 12 February 2023 It’s quite simple. He doesn’t command his box …
Richard Posted 12 February 2023 Posted 12 February 2023 Issue is if Iversen comes in and struggles you’ve ruined Ward’s confidence so you can’t switch back again. IMO Ward needs to have a couple absolute shockers for Brendan to consider the switch
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