LCFC Women 2022-23 Thread

[BKLFox]

1 hour ago, SouthStandUpperTier said:

WSL needs to be cut to 8 teams. The difference in ability between top and bottom is huge, far greater than in the EPL, and is not helping the development of players in the lower teams.

You get better by playing better teams, they have only been professional for a couple of seasons and the pool of good players is thin.

 

There are 12 teams in the championship if you add another 4 do you play 16 or drop 4 teams into the wilderness, not great for development.

Also what would be the point of promotion it would only mean 1 season before relegation again.

 

The whole WSL has only been around 12yrs and then it was Donny Rovers, Lincoln, Millwall type teams it’s going to take a few more years before they get a more competitive structure and breed better players.

[SouthStandUpperTier]

2 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

You get better by playing better teams

We're getting worse though. It's about all we can do right now just to clear our lines and wait for the opposition to attack again. How is that helping develop our players?

[BKLFox]

3 minutes ago, SouthStandUpperTier said:

We're getting worse though. It's about all we can do right now just to clear our lines and wait for the opposition to attack again. How is that helping develop our players?

Arsenal are ranked 7th in Women’s world football they scored 4 and whilst you mention they took their foot off the gas any professional team would go for goals just like the mens team did with STH they didn’t get to 4 then say ok we have won now let them have ago, they went for records.

Our girls were learning and developing through that game for sure and the fact it was only 4 showed they managed parts of their game well but as 1 started with Arsenal women are up there with the best teams it was a game we were never going to win.

 

We all showed are anger at the mens super league breakaway attempt because it would have a devastating effect on grassroots but your basically saying this is what should happen here with the womens structure no?

[fuchsntf]

We are really poor...This & last season as shown we are not evolving....

We have seen zero value in growth..

[SouthStandUpperTier]

9 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

Arsenal are ranked 7th in Women’s world football they scored 4 and whilst you mention they took their foot off the gas any professional team would go for goals just like the mens team did with STH they didn’t get to 4 then say ok we have won now let them have ago, they went for records.

Our girls were learning and developing through that game for sure and the fact it was only 4 showed they managed parts of their game well but as 1 started with Arsenal women are up there with the best teams it was a game we were never going to win.

 

We all showed are anger at the mens super league breakaway attempt because it would have a devastating effect on grassroots but your basically saying this is what should happen here with the womens structure no?

Our last 14 WSL games reads

 

Won 0

Drawn 1

Lost 13

Goals For 4

Goals Against 42

 

But if you want to convince yourself that the players are learning and developing then you go for it.

[davieG]

13 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

Arsenal are ranked 7th in Women’s world football they scored 4 and whilst you mention they took their foot off the gas any professional team would go for goals just like the mens team did with STH they didn’t get to 4 then say ok we have won now let them have ago, they went for records.

Our girls were learning and developing through that game for sure and the fact it was only 4 showed they managed parts of their game well but as 1 started with Arsenal women are up there with the best teams it was a game we were never going to win.

 

We all showed are anger at the mens super league breakaway attempt because it would have a devastating effect on grassroots but your basically saying this is what should happen here with the womens structure no?

It’ll never be really competitive as it’s set up to copy the men’s league and just like that the Super6 will dominate.

[BKLFox]

4 minutes ago, davieG said:

It’ll never be really competitive as it’s set up to copy the men’s league and just like that the Super6 will dominate.

I fully agree and in the same vain why have 20 mens teams in the Premiership it is very rare ‘those’ top 6 finish outside of 8th which means 12 clubs at least are just there for the ride 

[sacreblueits442]

47 minutes ago, Oldblueyes said:

Different manager with the same problems. I don't  like to hear about it being a training session for Arsenal. Surely we got promoted to the WSL to compete with some of the best. 

....I  was expecting a change in formation and personnel!!!

  I said before that you would know if this new manager is up to it if he drops Levell, it was disappointing to see she was still in goal. He must have watched them play previously, he should have had an idea of how he wants to play, although Thursday to Sunday was short  notice.

  Lambourn to come back in or the 16 year old.

 

[davieG]

1 minute ago, BKLFox said:

I fully agree and in the same vain why have 20 mens teams in the Premiership it is very rare ‘those’ top 6 finish outside of 8th which means 12 clubs at least are just there for the ride 

It’s a real shame because there was a great opportunity to set it up differently with all monies shared equally. It might have meant slower growth and some of the PL teams not getting involved. I’d have been much more interested in watching it even if there wasn’t an LCFC team, I only take a passing interest now because of LCFC involvement. 

[iancognito]

2 hours ago, BKLFox said:

You get better by playing better teams

The likes of San Marino, Luxembourg, Andorra, Estonia and Albania disprove this. Decades of qualifying groups where their only hope is to concede less than 4. Same applies in the Scottish leagues. Aberdeen, Hearts, Hibs and the Dundees haven't got any better getting regularly pumped by the Old Firm.

 

We'll get better if we actually invest in better players.

[BKLFox]

21 minutes ago, iancognito said:

The likes of San Marino, Luxembourg, Andorra, Estonia and Albania disprove this. Decades of qualifying groups where their only hope is to concede less than 4. Same applies in the Scottish leagues. Aberdeen, Hearts, Hibs and the Dundees haven't got any better getting regularly pumped by the Old Firm.

 

We'll get better if we actually invest in better players.

They have only been professional for 2yrs and played a total of just 28 games in the WSL.

 

It’s going to be a long hard struggle & take time to establish themselves as well as recruit top flight players many of which won’t want to be going to bottom club hence why recruiting will be experienced players long past their best or young players taken from the other academies but not yet at that level.

 

I wouldn’t be at all surprised if they yo-yo between WSL & Championship for a few seasons to come.

 

 

[sacreblueits442]

...you watch games we have played against other teams and you can see players that would enhance our team!!!

  We do not need to spend big to move this club forward, we need to moneyball this. We need to bring more pace into this team, we are easily dispossessed and do not have it in us to compete so it seemed,  but we stepped up in the final 10 minutes where we challenged and upped the tempo, lost the ball and fought to get it back. You get the impression that we are better  as an uptempo team as opposed to a possession based team.

  Teams that are struggling have the odd player that is good enough to make a difference in our team. It is not as if their present team is setting the league on fire, I am sure we could bring them in to complete the project.

 

[adam]

Just watching the highlights. Has the leicester keeper played before? Bloody useless. 

[sm1]

16 minutes ago, adam said:

Just watching the highlights. Has the leicester keeper played before? Bloody useless. 

Is it the same one who played in the Everton game? If so I'm not surprised we've conceded over 40 goals in 14 games, 

[Jimmy]

I would guess the planning for this match was all done by Bedford, Kirk needs to be brave and go with Sophia Poor in goal she's nearly 6ft and is the England U17 keeper the other 2 aren't up to it.

 

He needs to win the games vs Liverpool, Brighton and the return match with Reading that's where we will be judged

[Jimmy]

8 hours ago, sacreblueits442 said:

....I  was expecting a change in formation and personnel!!!

  I said before that you would know if this new manager is up to it if he drops Levell, it was disappointing to see she was still in goal. He must have watched them play previously, he should have had an idea of how he wants to play, although Thursday to Sunday was short  notice.

  Lambourn to come back in or the 16 year old.

 

he was never going to change something when appointed 2 days before the game, next match will be the first chance to do so

[Jimmy]

1 hour ago, sm1 said:

Is it the same one who played in the Everton game? If so I'm not surprised we've conceded over 40 goals in 14 games, 

Levell missed most of last season injured, Lambourne played, she returned first game this season

[Manley Farrington-Brown]

11 hours ago, BKLFox said:

They have only been professional for 2yrs and played a total of just 28 games in the WSL.

 

It’s going to be a long hard struggle & take time to establish themselves as well as recruit top flight players many of which won’t want to be going to bottom club hence why recruiting will be experienced players long past their best or young players taken from the other academies but not yet at that level.

 

I wouldn’t be at all surprised if they yo-yo between WSL & Championship for a few seasons to come.

 

 

Exactly. Three or four years ago Leicester women's team was basically a bunch of promising teenagers who were getting out-muscled by experienced players in the second tier. That team would be losing 20-0 to Arsenal.

People keep saying we just need some pace in the team, and while true, that's hardly easy to do, when anyone good enough will be hoovered up by Chelsea, Man C, Arsenal or Man U.

[Manley Farrington-Brown]

15 hours ago, fuchsntf said:

We are really poor...This & last season as shown we are not evolving....

We have seen zero value in growth..

Give 'em a chance - it's only two years since King Power took them over properly and only four years since they first played at Championship level! We've actually seen phenomenal value in growth over the last five or six years.

[Manley Farrington-Brown]

17 hours ago, SouthStandUpperTier said:

WSL needs to be cut to 8 teams. The difference in ability between top and bottom is huge, far greater than in the EPL, and is not helping the development of players in the lower teams.

Eight? Four, surely. Arsenal, Chelsea, Man C and now Man U as well.

And by that logic you might as well cut the men's Premier League to six teams.

[taupe]

12 hours ago, iancognito said:

The likes of San Marino, Luxembourg, Andorra, Estonia and Albania disprove this.

I could point to rugby to counter your argument. Italy used to be the whipping boys when 5 become 6 nations - they're still wooden spoon candidates every time but they've undeniably improved. Ditto Argentina (who beat England at Twickenham yesterday) who are getting good results since being included in southern hemisphere competitions.

 

Nobody's suggesting it happens overnight, and it clearly requires teams to take up the challenge, but it does happen.

 

Due to the discussion here, I was pondering a 'no relegation from the WSL rule' for a few seasons (promotions up to continue though) - but I didn't know if I was suffering bias! It's a financial strain for some clubs to compete, and the variable nature of costs and revenue make it difficult to maintain stability. If a club can know they have tenure for a few seasons then I think that might ease the strain.

 

[Manley Farrington-Brown]

13 hours ago, iancognito said:

We'll get better if we actually invest in better players.

And we have done, are doing, and probably will do!

Remember three or four years ago and compare the team then to now.

[Manley Farrington-Brown]

16 hours ago, SouthStandUpperTier said:

We're getting worse though.

We aren't. Okay, we're not getting much better, if at all, but we're certainly not getting worse.

[Manley Farrington-Brown]

7 hours ago, Jimmy said:

He needs to win the games vs Liverpool, Brighton and the return match with Reading that's where we will be judged

It's basically a four team mini league, losers go down. That's why the Reading game was by far the biggest disappointment of the season so far. There are still plenty of games left where points are gettable, but they're certainly not making it easy for themselves!

[davieG]

https://fawslfulltime.co.uk/2022/11/07/leicester-city-boss-kirk-to-hunt-far-and-wide-for-january-transfers/

 

LEICESTER CITY BOSS KIRK TO HUNT FAR AND WIDE FOR JANUARY TRANSFERS
By Daniel Pentland / November 7, 2022
New Leicester City boss Willie Kirk says that the club will be active in the January transfer window with additions from overseas leagues being a real possibility.
The Foxes are rock bottom of the Barclays Women’s Super League table with zero points from seven games. Based on their early season form, it is very difficult not to see Leicester City playing Barclays Women’s Championship football again next season.

Kirk was appointed the new Leicester City manager on Thursday and has been tasked with upsetting the odds and guiding the club to safety. He watched on as his side were defeated 4-0 by Arsenal at The King Power Stadium yesterday.

Leicester City went into the new season a little short of quality options in their squad and Kirk has confirmed that he will be busy in the January transfer window as he looks to bolster his pool of players.

“We will definitely make additions in January,” Kirk said. “There has been a lot of work done on that side of it in terms of identifying players. We missed out on a number of players in the summer, especially towards the end of the window which was frustrating.

“We’ve done a lot of work, there is budget there and we know what we need to do so watch this space.”

New Zealand international CJ Bott and America-born defender Erin Simon are the only overseas players in the Leicester City squad and Kirk went on to suggest that he will look to increase the number of nationalities in the dressing room in January.

He said “I’ve got a good history working in Scandinavia, I’ve signed a lot of Scandinavians in the past, top players. I’ve previously signed three Swedes, a couple of Danish players, the Norwegian vice-captain at the time when she signed for Everton so I know the Scandinavian market really well. I think Scandinavian players can adapt to the English game quite smoothly and if they are not Scandinavians, if they’ve played in Scandinavia because that can help as well.

“It is obviously a market that I know well and I’ll look at for January. The fact that the Swedish season has just finished makes it the natural time for some of them to move. Of course, it is a market that we will explore and it is good to have different cultures in your dressing room, a different way of thinking and different types of characters.

“We will definitely explore land outwith the UK.”

Leicester City return to action following the international break when they travel to The Chigwell Construction Stadium to face West Ham United on Sunday 20 November.