US Gun Violence

[Bordersfox]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-64194407

 

Yet more tragic madness.  

[fox_up_north]

I used to shoot, around 12-13. The kickback on a gun at that age took some getting used to.

 

My point is, for this little kiddy to have been able to aim and fire a gun successfully (in a manner of speaking) then he's absolutely been shown how to do so at home. Numerous times. 

 

Of course, it's not the gun's fault. Or the gun owner's fault. Or the gun laws. Or the gun culture. It's the fault of some vague idea that definitely doesn't mean you should take away their guns. 

[Bordersfox]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-64364144.amp

 

 

[Bellend Sebastian]

Are guns in the States ever used by the public to stop bad things happening or are they just tools for mass shootings and suicide?

 

 

[spacemunky]

55 minutes ago, Bellend Sebastian said:

Are guns in the States ever used by the public to stop bad things happening or are they just tools for mass shootings and suicide?

 

 

I only recall the one where a young man who was carrying a gun tried to intervene after another man walked in to a store and fired a gun. Problem was, the possible mass shooter's girlfriend came in quite a few steps behind and the young man mistook her as a customer. She shot him dead.

 

[marbles]

5 hours ago, spacemunky said:

I only recall the one where a young man who was carrying a gun tried to intervene after another man walked in to a store and fired a gun. Problem was, the possible mass shooter's girlfriend came in quite a few steps behind and the young man mistook her as a customer. She shot him dead.

 

There’s actually been several instances.  One not far from me where a guy walked into a restaurant and shot the manager. A customer then shot and killed him before he could shoot anyone else.

 

Theres a somewhat famous one making its rounds on YouTube right now.  Guy walks in a restaurant and starts robbing the customers.  He turns his back and is gunned down - IMO this person will be imprisoned for what he did.  He continued shooting even after the guy was disarmed and incapacitated, including a shot to the back of his head.

 

Heres a few more if you’re interested 

https://www.offthegridnews.com/current-events/7-mass-shootings-that-were-stopped-by-lawful-gun-owners/

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Free Falling Foxes]

Frankly,  I wonder why these shootings are given so much prominence in our news bulletins. It's America, if they're downright stupid enough to allow guns of any description, let alone high power rifles, automatic and semi automatic weapons to be so freely available, what do they expect?

 

Edited 22 January 2023 by Free Falling Foxes

[Bordersfox]

8 hours ago, Bellend Sebastian said:

Are guns in the States ever used by the public to stop bad things happening or are they just tools for mass shootings and suicide?

 

 

The odd occasion I'm sure.  492 people died in the USA from accidental shootings alone last year.  Far more I am sure than were saved by someone with a gun stopping bad things happening.  

 

And then there's the thousands of gun homicides on top of that.  

 

A ridiculous situation where even the majority of the American public (in polling) want stricter gun control but so many politicians are in the pockets of the NRA nothing ever gets done. 

Lobbying at it's finest.  

[LiberalFox]

They keep the wild boar population under control. 

[marbles]

12 minutes ago, LiberalFox said:

They keep the wild boar population under control. 

Both funny and serious at the same time.

[marbles]

1 hour ago, Free Falling Foxes said:

Frankly,  I wonder why these shootings are given so much prominence in our news bulletins. 

 

As warnings possibly?

 

I know certain people would rather not hear about anything they don’t agree with, or doesn’t affect them personally - but that really is a stupid way to live

Edited 22 January 2023 by marbles

[Captain...]

1 hour ago, Free Falling Foxes said:

Frankly,  I wonder why these shootings are given so much prominence in our news bulletins. It's America, if they're downright stupid enough to allow guns of any description, let alone high power rifles, automatic and semi automatic weapons to be so freely available, what do they expect?

 

News is calculated on event x relevance x proximity. We hear about mass shootings in Europe, there just aren't as many. The US is very close culturally if not geographically. The same way we here more stuff about Australia than Austria. 

 

most shootings in African/Asian/South American countries don't tend to make the news unless there is something of relevance to the UK. Like a UK citizen. 

 

Even with that in mind 90% of mass shooter events in the US don't make the news here.

 

Or maybe it is to stop us ever becoming complacent about gun control.

[Daggers]

We lived on the 8th floor near to Deportivo Cali’s ground. Most matches had a bit of a kick off going on outside, but much more so when Cali played America. Cops would swarm beneath our apartment, firing guns up into the air. The wife would stand on the balcony, leaning over to get a good look.

 

”Bullets won’t reach up here,” she said.

 

Maybe if we’d had more guns here at home she’d have learnt some ballistic basics.

[Free Falling Foxes]

9 hours ago, marbles said:

As warnings possibly?

 

I know certain people would rather not hear about anything they don’t agree with, or doesn’t affect them personally - but that really is a stupid way to live

I wouldn't think we need any warnings on this side of the pond, it's common sense isnt it? Liberal gun laws run a greater risk of these events occuring, sadly.

Even most of our police aren't armed and, as I understand it, serving officers are comfortable with that.

 

I underestand however why we report these events in the States but return to my original point, it's the prominence it is given, that is; first or second item and a lengthy report.

[grobyfox1990]

10 hours ago, Free Falling Foxes said:

Frankly,  I wonder why these shootings are given so much prominence in our news bulletins. It's America, if they're downright stupid enough to allow guns of any description, let alone high power rifles, automatic and semi automatic weapons to be so freely available, what do they expect?

 

First world news in white people countries always gets more prominence as it’s relatable and ‘big’. A flood wiping out 200 in Turkmenistan just isn’t relatable, another world. Also obviously to tut at the stupid Americans and their ‘rights’ 

[marbles]

4 hours ago, Free Falling Foxes said:

I wouldn't think we need any warnings on this side of the pond, it's common sense isnt it? Liberal gun laws run a greater risk of these events occuring, sadly.

Even most of our police aren't armed and, as I understand it, serving officers are comfortable with that.

 

I underestand however why we report these events in the States but return to my original point, it's the prominence it is given, that is; first or second item and a lengthy report.

Just to clarify, I have no idea how prominent our news stories are in your country.  I just figured they were part of your normal news cycle. 

I never realized the importance given the stories.

 

As for why, I'm not entirely sure - but just guessing, I would think its partly as a warning (as stated earlier)

Sure its common sense - but why run the risk of a :movement" towards gun ownership?

If they never really see the extreme negatives (child deaths, mass shootings), isn't there a possibility that future generations may start entertaining the idea that guns are good? 

Just a thought

 

 

 

      

[marbles]

4 hours ago, grobyfox1990 said:

First world news in white people countries always gets more prominence as it’s relatable and ‘big’. A flood wiping out 200 in Turkmenistan just isn’t relatable, another world. Also obviously to tut at the stupid Americans and their ‘rights’ 

Edited 23 January 2023 by marbles

[Captain...]

1 hour ago, marbles said:

Just to clarify, I have no idea how prominent our news stories are in your country.  I just figured they were part of your normal news cycle. 

I never realized the importance given the stories.

 

As for why, I'm not entirely sure - but just guessing, I would think its partly as a warning (as stated earlier)

Sure its common sense - but why run the risk of a :movement" towards gun ownership?

If they never really see the extreme negatives (child deaths, mass shootings), isn't there a possibility that future generations may start entertaining the idea that guns are good? 

Just a thought

 

 

 

      

They are not that prominent in UK news, considering the number of mass shootings in the US ones that involve schools or have a racist/homophobic element tend to end up in the news but rarely top item. In reality it is all algorithm driven, people click on these stories so they get bumped up in priority which gives them more exposure and subsequently more clicks.

 

Columbine was the first shooting I remember making the news which was 1999, around this time the internet was starting to take off so people could read the news they were interested in and it became big news.

 

Since then there has always been a strong interest in US school shootings.

[MrSpaM]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-64382598

 

And another

[Bellend Sebastian]

Maybe we've got this wrong and it was the mass shooters that were the good guys all along.

 

I expect some MAGA clown will come out with something like this eventually, and in fairness it's no less insane than the reality of the situation anyway

 

 

[FoyleFox]

 

[Jattdogg]

Tw@ted by a dog wow.

[FoxesDeb]

32 minutes ago, Jattdogg said:

Tw@ted by a dog wow.

Just when we thought the gun crime in the US couldn't get any more bizarre 

[Jattdogg]

4 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

Just when we thought the gun crime in the US couldn't get any more bizarre 

...I swear it wasnt me..ruff rufff...

[Milo]

1 hour ago, FoyleFox said:

 

Wtf?? Is this a p1ss take?? 
 

That’s ridiculous.