Are we a club on the decline?

[foxfanazer]

30 minutes ago, sylofox said:

If we are a club in decline that's life outside the top six. Bare in mind we have more trophies than one of them in the last 20yrs.

 

If you can't hack it feel free to go support spuds or one of the others.

Not saying I necessarily agree with the sentiment that we're on the decline but you can't have a discussion on this forum anymore without having silly comments like this thrown at you. Anything that is deemed even slightly negative is met with some bizarre gatekeeping style jibes

[PAPA LAZAROU]

3 hours ago, Pliskin said:

**** me length ways and call me sally….. another negative thread.

 

 

Yes we most definitely are on shit creek, with an FA cup win, A charity shield and a European semi final. Absolutely ****ed it we have. 
 

Fold the club, and sell the stadium, let’s just **** the whole thing off. 

That is now in the past. The question was present tense. And quite rightly fans have the right to ask these questions given the shocking news about our financial state and top players been mooted to be sold to balance the books in order to buy any players this transfer window. It has never been like this since the owners took over and comes as a great shock to most of us. So it is a very relevant question.

[PAPA LAZAROU]

46 minutes ago, sylofox said:

If we are a club in decline that's life outside the top six. Bare in mind we have more trophies than one of them in the last 20yrs.

 

If you can't hack it feel free to go support spuds or one of the others.

So no one can question what is going on at the club without being told to go and support someone else? very tolerant.

[Conscript Fox]

I think decline is a bit drastic. 

I do think the people paying for this ride haven't got faith in the manager & I think it'd suit them well if he'd walk, but he won't. The need to move players out before bringing players in interview was interesting because the real message there is they no longer trust him to buy. And the club might end up losing some better players but the deadwood still here. 

 

I think the next managerial appointment is huge, and its probably better if it comes soon. Decline, no, definitely not yet anyway. Key phase, yes. 

[sylofox]

1 hour ago, foxfanazer said:

Not saying I necessarily agree with the sentiment that we're on the decline but you can't have a discussion on this forum anymore without having silly comments like this thrown at you. Anything that is deemed even slightly negative is met with some bizarre gatekeeping style jibes

 

50 minutes ago, PAPA LAZAROU said:

So no one can question what is going on at the club without being told to go and support someone else? very tolerant.

Not saying either.

 

Just fed up with the doom n gloom in one of our greatest ever periods.

 

Our owner is being responsible and reacting to new rules. He's not giving up he's trying to make sure we dont fall foul to them and end up paying large fines that will further restrict us.

 

This and how many other threads point to the same thing. Ask the question in one of those.

 

Two days before the season kicks off you would think it was the end of the world apocalypse.

 

I personally think we are in the best position for two seasons. Fully fit squad ready to go in a ridiculous season. Get the right start it could be with a little luck another special one.

[Bptiger]

I think we have had are day in the sun, we will struggle for one to years before we can try again to break into the top four , one thing I think the club needs to do is stop paying huge wages to average players . 

[Conscript Fox]

54 minutes ago, Bptiger said:

I think we have had are day in the sun, we will struggle for one to years before we can try again to break into the top four , one thing I think the club needs to do is stop paying huge wages to average players . 

Oh wow, one in real life.

Say something else  ...  

[Biggles22]

I think our current stance is a result of the following “perfect storm”:

1. Punching above our weight (and perhaps over-extending (in terms of finances) for the last several years and missing out on CL football two years in a row - we knew it would come back to bite us but this has been compounded by:

2. COVID - we had to over reach slightly to mix it with the top 6, revenue was hit by COVID (as with all clubs) but we were one of the hardest hit for reasons stated not to mention the owners’ primary business suffering more than most and then, of course, the significant injuries for much of last year necessitating some dubious transfers as cover for long term player loss which we now need to offload in order to comply with FFP regs

3. The current global economic crisis (aside from COVID losses) was unexpected and far more severe than could be anticipated back in January, which further compounded those losses already experienced by King Power and by businesses in general, as a result…

4. Our owner’s financial responsibility (feel free to compare with Barcelona - yikes!!) means we won’t risk club annihilation for the sake of highly questionable and very marginal short term benefits

All this to say, the downward cycle has hit more severely than the club anticipated (hence BR now openly backtracking on the squad refresh) but this more mature/sensible approach which flies in the face of most football owners MOs will serve us well in the long term. 

We will not be alone in experiencing this regression, and I’m confident we’ll do better than most upon reflection. Others will suffer later in their respective business cycles. 
Top may well end up seeking some additional financial support if the current climate is more prolonged than expected, but the alternatives resulting from throwing all caution to the wind now could be catastrophic in the longer term and it isn’t feasible under FFP regs, anyway). 
All this to say, I’d rather we go through this period of club-controlled belt tightening than spiral into the abyss. 
Our owners care and wish to ensure we’re able to continue to adhere to the mission of disrupting the established order. No doubt we look like we’re regressing relative to the rapid and historic rise of the past 6-7 years, but this current calculated stance allows us to bounce back and I’m good with that. 

[Hack]

The premise of the post is a nonsense. The club has been so well owned and managed since the King Power group took control with promotion winning a the championship a premier league title at odds higher than finding Elvis alive an FA cup victory and made significant profits on players like Marhez Drinkwater Kante Chilwell and Maquire.

We have to many senior players to be able to fit into a top 25. If criticism is to be attributed to the club it is not moving on fringe players first to clear room for new players 

We still have the rest of the month to sort out comings And goings if players. If we sell the likes of Wes or Madders it will be at huge profits that will come into the club in the form of new players. 

 

[shailen]

We've lost key players in recent times and come back stronger. Kasper will be hard to replace no doubt but there are other keepers who can come in and do a decent job, so it's not a position I worry about

[Simoken]

9 hours ago, frany104 said:

With Kasper leaving and the lack of a replacement or any signing. Are we on the d clone as a club? Have we reached our peak and that’s as good as it gets? 
 

it all seems so negative and we seem to be feeling the effects of not qualify for the champions league twice and some poor management with regards to transfers and contracts.

The only thing thats gone into a decline lately is our fanbase

[Gazza M]

The squad certainly feels like a week old loaf of bread right now going stale in the cupboard. Just 1 player this summer to improve the squad is all I ask.....surely!

[teblin]

We are in transition which may have a drop for a season or 2. 

[Pliskin]

6 hours ago, PAPA LAZAROU said:

That is now in the past. The question was present tense. And quite rightly fans have the right to ask these questions given the shocking news about our financial state and top players been mooted to be sold to balance the books in order to buy any players this transfer window. It has never been like this since the owners took over and comes as a great shock to most of us. So it is a very relevant question.

Firstly, what financial state? This is the way the club has always operated.. we’re a self sustainable football club, meaning we generate our own funds, king power do not pop and tenner into the kitty every now and then, the expectation is that the club finds itself. Which is why we ordinarily allow a Kew asset to leave every now and then….

 

 

Whats happened this season is Brendan opened his gob, and has left the fans bewildered due to the lack of transfers, he’s also probably made life more difficult for us now because it will be harder to shift our fringe players on, because other clubs will think we’re desperate to sell and offer measly fee’s.

 

Whats happening is, as per usual fans are shitting the bed over not a lot. A lot of us who foresaw what was coming did say Brendan’s comments would come back to bite him in the arse…..

 

 If the clubs financial position was really as bad as some would like to think, we wouldn’t have built a training ground, or be planning a stadium expansion. 

[PAPA LAZAROU]

1 hour ago, Pliskin said:

Firstly, what financial state? This is the way the club has always operated.. we’re a self sustainable football club, meaning we generate our own funds, king power do not pop and tenner into the kitty every now and then, the expectation is that the club finds itself. Which is why we ordinarily allow a Kew asset to leave every now and then….

 

 

Whats happened this season is Brendan opened his gob, and has left the fans bewildered due to the lack of transfers, he’s also probably made life more difficult for us now because it will be harder to shift our fringe players on, because other clubs will think we’re desperate to sell and offer measly fee’s.

 

Whats happening is, as per usual fans are shitting the bed over not a lot. A lot of us who foresaw what was coming did say Brendan’s comments would come back to bite him in the arse…..

 

 If the clubs financial position was really as bad as some would like to think, we wouldn’t have built a training ground, or be planning a stadium expansion. 

No good trying to shift the blame on Rogers for this one. He obviously wasn't told by the owners of the financial state we find ourselves in before he told us of his plans to refresh a squad that so obviously needed refreshing. So something is not right about that in the first place. So you think the fans should have no concerns about our lack of signings and should stop " shitting the bed " as you put it? Do you know of any other set of fans who would not be concerned at no signings? As for the training ground, that again is past tense and so is the money paid for building it. it has no relevance to this season or where we are financially at present. It was pre covid when they had the money from the duty-free empire. Obviously, we are no longer "self-sustainable" or we would have the cash to re-invest in the squad. As for the stadium expansion, I'll believe that when I see it.

[PAPA LAZAROU]

6 hours ago, sylofox said:

 

Not saying either.

 

Just fed up with the doom n gloom in one of our greatest ever periods.

 

Our owner is being responsible and reacting to new rules. He's not giving up he's trying to make sure we dont fall foul to them and end up paying large fines that will further restrict us.

 

This and how many other threads point to the same thing. Ask the question in one of those.

 

Two days before the season kicks off you would think it was the end of the world apocalypse.

 

I personally think we are in the best position for two seasons. Fully fit squad ready to go in a ridiculous season. Get the right start it could be with a little luck another special one.

Sorry, but you did say- If you can't hack it feel free to go support spuds or one of the others. Just because someone had a different point of view than yourself. I understand you are fed up at the moment I guess we all are , but telling someone to go support spuds or one of the others isn't on.

[Fazzer 7]

Transitionary period until they're able to clear away the dead wood, and there is a lot of that. This season is all about keeping out of the bottom 6 I reckon. Being realistic the best we can hope for is a mid table finish.

[Pliskin]

42 minutes ago, PAPA LAZAROU said:

No good trying to shift the blame on Rogers for this one. He obviously wasn't told by the owners of the financial state we find ourselves in before he told us of his plans to refresh a squad that so obviously needed refreshing. So something is not right about that in the first place. So you think the fans should have no concerns about our lack of signings and should stop " shitting the bed " as you put it? Do you know of any other set of fans who would not be concerned at no signings? As for the training ground, that again is past tense and so is the money paid for building it. it has no relevance to this season or where we are financially at present. It was pre covid when they had the money from the duty-free empire. Obviously, we are no longer "self-sustainable" or we would have the cash to re-invest in the squad. As for the stadium expansion, I'll believe that when I see it.

You’re talking in riddles……

 

What are you waffling on about past tense for? Every tense is relevant when you’re talking about a business…….

 

He would be well aware of the business model in place here at the club, it’s hasn’t changed….. we’ve always been a self sufficient club ever since KP took over. Brendan shouldn’t have said what he said, of course you can pass some of the blame onto him. He’s coke out saying we need a refresh, other clubs then think we’re desperate for cash, and then make pathetic bids like £8m for our fringe players. 
 

 

We are not in a desperate financial situation, what we can’t afford to have is players not included in the 25 man squad, sat picking up huge wages. It’s not what we do. So we need to thin the squad, Soumare, Praet, Perez, Hamza, Vesty et al all need to go, but we can’t,  shift them because no one is offering what we want. 
 

What’s happened is, we can’t shift the dead wood, so we can’t then reinvest into the squad yet. That’s literally the crooks of the situation, there’s no point in selling players like Fofana, because it then becomes a position we HAVE to replace and will still need to ship player out. Although, if we did sell Fofana it would mean we probably can accept poxy bids for the likes of Vesty. 

[reynard]

8 hours ago, foxfanazer said:

Not saying I necessarily agree with the sentiment that we're on the decline but you can't have a discussion on this forum anymore without having silly comments like this thrown at you. Anything that is deemed even slightly negative is met with some bizarre gatekeeping style jibes

Agree completely.

I think it is too early to say and none of us really have a clear picture of what is going on inside the club. We make guesses and read things some of which may be true, some close to the mark and others far off.

 

Right now I'd say off the pitch we have a new training ground and potentially a ground improvement. On the pitch I'm not so certain. let's see where we are at the end of the transfer window. As much as this summer has been a concern, and I really don't think anyone can argue that not apparently, right now, being able to recruit new players, is anything but a concern, next summer may well be even more transient.

In terms of playing staff we're at best standing still and in terms of personnel perhaps weaker than last year on paper.

The potential problem is that standing still is really going backwards. As Benjamin Franklin said

"Be not afraid of growing too slowly. Be afraid only of standing still."

[suffolk fox]

2 hours ago, Gazza M said:

The squad certainly feels like a week old loaf of bread right now going stale in the cupboard. Just 1 player this summer to improve the squad is all I ask.....surely!

Not picking on you or your post but we do have a new player this season.   Dennis Praet was on loan all last season and did not play for us in the league.  He is a full Belgium International opposition fans have not seen him play for us.  In friendlies he has looked good so far this season and contributed to the goal against Seville by his pressing.  I believe for that reason we have made a signing this season, the media are wrong.

[Zear0]

Club, no.  Squad, yes.

 

Can't really see how we can view the club being "in decline" with the investment in infrastructure we're getting, and have had over the last few years.  The playing squad is obviously weaker than it's been for a while.  An older Vardy with at least three star players (Wes, Maddison and Youri) wanting to move on.

 

For me it's biting the bullet and accepting the next few seasons will be rough whilst the financial outlay for the infrastructure work is complete.  Make it through that and we're a club on the up, not the decline.  Other club's fans would bite your hand off for what's going on here (signing Vestergaard aside).

 

 

[foxfanazer]

I think the club could probably do with being a little more transparent with the fans at the moment. Just give us a bit of a sense of where the club is going and what our short/mid/long term ambitions are. Obviously there are variables to these ambitions but I think some of the frustration might come from people feeling a little confused with what we're actually trying to achieve. Just feel like this might help get a few doubters back on board

[Sol thewall Bamba]

Dipping, but a sustained decline not yet imo. Still the best placed club outside of London/Manchester/Liverpool in the country until Newcastle buy their way to success.

[Aus Fox]

It depend if you’re looking at the right now in time, or your looking at the bigger picture. 
Progress is not linear, and to continue to grow, you have set backs, learn from then and then move forwards. 
When you get to the point where you are challenging the top six, playing in Europe and winning cups - it’s incredibly difficult to keep progressing.

I see now as a bit of a transition period, we’ve just come off the most successful 5 year period in the clubs history- and with the stadium, the finances, the revenue and the appeal of the club on a global scale; like it or not, we have a ceiling and we’ve probably reached it - to break through it would need huge investment on a scale we are maybe not capable of right now. 
So we have to take stock, step out of Europe for a season or maybe two and come again stronger!

[Guest Col city fan]

49 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

I think the club could probably do with being a little more transparent with the fans at the moment. Just give us a bit of a sense of where the club is going and what our short/mid/long term ambitions are. Obviously there are variables to these ambitions but I think some of the frustration might come from people feeling a little confused with what we're actually trying to achieve. Just feel like this might help get a few doubters back on board

Again, spot on

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