Relegation

[Gerard]

10 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

When you consider on paper, you spent significant sums of money on land for which you can not get any rental return on but the training ground you leave can not be sold because of a sporting covenant on it, it didn’t make sense on a purely business decision. 
 

In the process of the ‘unseen’ thing is that by being out in the sticks, you become totally disattached from the city they club functions in. That’s not just an issue for the first team but also the academy; getting inner city kids to come out to North Leicestershire. 

 

The reason it's in North Leicestershire rather than Leicester was to attract the best kids in Notts, Derbys, Lincs, etc. 

[ARM1968]

Yup. We’re done. Cannot see where or how we get a result now. Miracles do happen, but you e got to want them. Looks like Brendan didn’t just suck the life out of us fans. 

[FoxesWalk]

2 minutes ago, goody2028 said:

We were 15/8 this morning, don’t even want to look at what we are now 

64% chance of going down. Which feels extremely generous to me. 

[Fazzer 7]

1 minute ago, hejammy said:

Keep Thomas and Barnes? Both a big reason why we are where we are! 

Both would do ok in the championship. Barnes though will likely need to be sold. 

[FoxTimmy2]

Letting Kasper go was the final nail in the coffin. Gutless maggots the lot of them, where's the passion? Where's the fight? Even Southampton as shit as they are, show more fight than we've ever done this entire season.

[Larry_LCFC]

Rodgers and Top have to take a large part of the blame but we still had a good opportunity to save ourselves under Smith.

 

Set up today completely wrong. Ricky P needed to be on the field as did Mendy. I'd have been starting Daka and Vardy alongside each other aswell. The problem is at this stage, we NEED 3 points and if that means scoring 5 and conceding 4, so be it. Look at the Everton and Forest scores today. This timid, reserved attitude we have to games has been the death of us.

Edited 8 May 2023 by Larry_LCFC

[Adrian]

Does kinda feel like relegation is something the fans will suffer ..not the players or staff as so many of our players will get snapped up elsewhere regardless of their current failure

 

To stay still in the ultra competitive PL you have to move forward..we sat on the BR formula 2 years ago and lost ground on the competition.

 

I'm certain that we will bounce straight back up and hopefully the lesson will be learnt 

[Bilo]

3 minutes ago, FoxesWalk said:

64% chance of going down. Which feels extremely generous to me. 

It does to me too. Leeds have a chance to get out of it with Spurs at home on the last day, so the methodology is something that needs investigating. I'd say we're 80% plus to go down and Leeds are about right.

[CosbehFox]

2 minutes ago, Gerard said:

 

The reason it's in North Leicestershire rather than Leicester was to attract the best kids in Notts, Derbys, Lincs, etc. 

But it’s all swings and roundabouts if that’s the view because you aren’t serving Northants and outskirts of Cambs etc or down towards MK. Which is a less competitive area for talent. 

 

Either way your biggest catchment area (the city of Leicester) is now neglected due to logistics. You’d feel for kids from working class backgrounds who need their parents to get them out to Seagrave rather than somewhere on a bus route. 

[Cadno'r Cymoedd]

2 minutes ago, Adrian said:

Does kinda feel like relegation is something the fans will suffer ..not the players or staff as so many of our players will get snapped up elsewhere regardless of their current failure

 

To stay still in the ultra competitive PL you have to move forward..we sat on the BR formula 2 years ago and lost ground on the competition.

 

I'm certain that we will bounce straight back up and hopefully the lesson will be learnt 

If it happens as seems much more likely now, then I'm not confident we'll bounce back straight away. There are too many things wrong and the Championship, as we know, is no cake walk. 

Edited 8 May 2023 by Cadno'r Cymoedd

[inckley fox]

If we allow any of those who have been responsible for club-level decision-making in recent years to have a say in what we do next, then we'll find ourselves in freefall. I've never bought into this idea that fans are capable of passing insightful comments about a profession or roles that they're unfamiliar with. But the levels of incompetence at management and administrative level have been far more spectacular and obvious recently than in many of the dark eras of our past. That's not to say we're worse now, as a team, than we were in the late 80s, in 95, or post-MON, it's to say that it's much easier than it has tended to be to see that people are utterly hopeless in their jobs. You don't need to be an expert when the bad practice is so obvious.

 

On the pitch, we lack heart moreso even than the dross that sank without a trace under McGhee, Bassett and Adams. Our laziness is matched only by our cowardice and inability to say 'hey, has anyone considered that instead of repeating that we are trying our best, we should ask whether our concept of trying comes within a million miles of what anyone else's is?' When most of them clear off in the summer I'll waste little energy in wishing them the best for the future. It's been clear for a long while that any side at pretty much any professional level can rattle us. Yes, it's also an unbalanced and clumsily assembled team, but its defining characteristic is its gutlessness and utter lack of commitment, in any sense of the word.

 

Still, there's nothing dafter than saying 'it's the players, not the manager to blame'. So, all of Rodgers' / Pearson's / whoever's success, was that just the players? Nothing to do with how they're recruited, coached, motivated? Nothing to do with the boss and, beyond that the administration? It works the other way round too, otherwise there'd be no such thing as the concept of a good or a bad manager. There's little doubt that other managers could have got more out of this squad, regardless of their considerable character deficits.

 

You don't have to doubt what you've seen clearly with your own eyes. We have seen a manager who makes poor signings over years, a board that sanctions them and breaks from a previously successful model, unable to add to the squad in the summer, or fire the boss thereafter. We've heard the interviews where BR's undermined his players. We saw us appoint three different captains in a season who are all off in the summer. We know about the days off they had when our rivals were hard at work. We've seen the countless team selections which throw up the exact same problems that everyone predicted they'd throw up, and which aren't addressed on matchday - ever - until an hour after it becomes clear that they aren't working.

 

The club has been horrendously mismanaged. The incompetence and apathy has been so impossible not to notice that you require literally no expertise in the profession to spot it. Yes, our players are crap too, and need changing, but, while I'm grateful that BR won't be heading that process, he's just the proverbial iceberg tip. I honestly wouldn't allow anyone who has presided over this mess to have a significant say in our future.

[PhillippaT]

[CosbehFox]

Just now, Bilo said:

It does to me too. Leeds have a chance to get out of it with Spurs at home on the last day, so the methodology is something that needs investigating. I'd say we're 80% plus to go down and Leeds are about right.

It’s not the methodology as such. 385 majorly over rates our squad. Their rating is too high and doesn’t take into account form 

[Cadno'r Cymoedd]

2 minutes ago, PhillippaT said:

Very good. And sadly true

[Bilo]

2 minutes ago, PhillippaT said:

Settee Charles Dung?

[markko]

My biggest concern is what happens if we stay up. Next season will be more tricky when we lose players.

 

Sometimes later....no need to worry!

Edited 8 May 2023 by markko

[sacreblueits442]

6 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

Bourne talking out of his arse tbh. 

 

Just stupid. I know professional footballers aren't famed for their maths but any idiot looking at the table knows the danger.

 

The idea that they're complacent when every one of them looks terrified to have the ball is just stupid. 

...the quote from Bourne was not clear as to which area in the club was viewed as complacent!!!

I got the impression that he meant people within the non-playing staff, board members etc, who are not convinced of our possible demise. I would have suspected if it was regarding the players he would have said so, without naming names.

[HybridFox]

Taking just 2 points against Leeds and Everton in this run-in is what will ultimately bite us as bad as today was. You simply have to be better than your rivals or you don't deserve to be above them

[Cadno'r Cymoedd]

The complacency throughout the club has been unbelievable in the last two seasons, especially this one. We may yet achieve a miracle in the last 3 games but the writing on the wall was there when we conceded that 2 nil lead in the first game at home to Brentford. No plan B, no guts, no focus, no leaders, no self awareness of what was going on.... 

[String fellow]

3 minutes ago, Bilo said:

It does to me too. Leeds have a chance to get out of it with Spurs at home on the last day, so the methodology is something that needs investigating. I'd say we're 80% plus to go down and Leeds are about right.

Leeds and Forest could easily lose all 3 of their remaining games, so if we could sneak a win somehow, we'd be okay.

[PhillippaT]

6 minutes ago, Bilo said:

Settee Charles Dung?

Close enough  

[hejammy]

We'll have the likes of Everton and Forest cherry pick our players and they'll go - apart from Madders and Youri, all the others won't give a shit who they play for as long as it's the Premier League 

[STUHILL]

2 minutes ago, String fellow said:

Leeds and Forest could easily lose all 3 of their remaining games, so if we could sneak a win somehow, we'd be okay.

Mate. 

[pazzerfox]

On 06/04/2023 at 18:10, Area88 said:

• We have scored 43 goals. Double about 8 out of 9 clubs ranked from 11th to 20th in the table.
• Goals scored from other teams - Southampton  23 - Bournemouth 27 - Nottingham Forest 24, Everton - 23 - West Ham - 26  Wolves - 23- Crystal Palace 24 - Chelsea - 29
• We have conceded 53 goals.  If we conceded only 13 less goals......
• We would be top 6 based on the statistical data I.e. - Aston Villa are 7th with 38 goals scored and 40 goals conceded.

 

Source: Data analysis of the Premier League Table.

 

12 minutes ago, PhillippaT said:

I'm too stupid to work this out!

[splinterdream]

There was 4 huge mistakes made which has led us here

 

1.) Top, Rudkin and BR not being on the same page with summer transfer window.

2.) Letting Kasper and Fofana go so late in the window, we should have said no, and that we'd look towards Jan window. 

3.) I don't believe we couldn't have one the £12-£15m for lookman, we needed him.

4.) We should have pulled the plug on Perez/Albrighton deals