Is anyone genuinely going to boycott?

[leicsmac]

26 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

There should be I agree. And I agree with the British viewpoint on these issues. But if the majority doesn’t care about something, is that the decision what we go with? From interacting with your other posts I know that you won’t read my comment the wrong way and reply with ‘what so do you believe in killing migrant workers wtf mate omg’ etc etc

Thus it becomes a debate on direct democracy and its flaws. And that's a pretty large subject.

 

My own take? Such majority direct democratic decisions would work fine if every human lived five times as long and had the motivation to inform themselves on the topic.

[Guest Lako42]

Not watched a minute yet 

 

See how long it lasts 

[Lambert09]

On 20/11/2022 at 08:07, Finnegan said:

I'm obviously pretty conflicted. I'm obviously somewhat holier-than-thou (shocker right) and would normally be first in line to boycott. But it could also be the only time I ever see my country at a World Cup, which is intensely bitter-sweet. I'm going to watch Wales' group games and, lets be honest, we probably won't get further than that anyway. Maybe that makes me a hypocrite.

 

I imagine I'll watch a lot less of it than I normally would.

 

What I would say though is that I'm not entirely sure how much of a protest not watching it ACTUALLY is. They're not hosting it to generate money from advertising revenue, they've spent hundreds of billions hosting it, the whole thing is an acceptable loss, they don't give a shit. They're hosting it for obvious sports washing and the cost is considered reasonable. They want the legitimacy and prestige that hosting this gives. Sure, there's some minor potential for embarrassment if the BBC or ITV report that viewing figures are lower than normal but I think that's pretty much a drop in the ocean.

 

If people want or wanted to actively protest then I think that's the point, it needs or needed to be ACTIVE protest. Not just turning off. Whole nations needed to refuse to go, players needed to refuse to go, people needed to be in the streets protesting demanding their countries pull out. And the wider issue generally is our governments pandering to these regimes because there's something in it for us (allies in the region, oil, etc.) 

 

Of course all of this could be me internally justifying my non-action to make myself feel better but I do think that a generic "boycott" (ie, not watching it from your armchair and doing fvck all else) is really just a "protest" for you to feel good about yourself more than one that's actually going to bring any change.

Great post.  Exactly my thoughts, the boycotting by fans doesnt achieve anything. If you genuinely just dont want to watch than fair enough and im definitely feeling less interested than usual but just know that it isnt achieving anything. 

 

I read an interesting article a while back saying, the boycotting and this outrage needed to happen when this was announced, but as a collective we all let them get away with it. Every footballing nation should have stood together and said no, but we didnt. 

 

You can see how quickly these things can be changed with how fast the ESL got dropped but the majority of us turned a blind eye to this until was all too late. 

Edited 21 November 2022 by Lambert09

[Captain...]

It's just all a bit shit that we even need to have these conversations. A ludicrous decision that has been handled terribly and if anything has done more to harm the Qatari image than raise its prestige and status.

[Hollism]

Haven’t watched a second and have no intentions of changing that.
 

The decision to not wear the armband is disgraceful as well. Saw a tweet I think saying “How can we tell elite footballers that now is the time to come out, when their captains won’t take a yellow card for them?”.

[Lionator]

Why should Qatar be obliged to have our culture forced upon them? 

[filbertway]

1 minute ago, Lionator said:

Why should Qatar be obliged to have our culture forced upon them? 

Agreed, which is one of many reasons why they shouldn't have been given the tournament. 

[Lionator]

7 minutes ago, filbertway said:

Agreed, which is one of many reasons why they shouldn't have been given the tournament. 

I agree with this too.

 

its pointless kicking up a fuss now

[fuchsntf]

4 hours ago, Lako42 said:

Not watched a minute yet 

 

See how long it lasts 

I reckon ..all Qater deniers should be put on ignore until Wcup is over..

[Daggers]

1 hour ago, Lionator said:

Why should Qatar be obliged to have our culture forced upon them? 

Respecting the rights and lives of others isn’t a culture. 

[Nalis]

In protest I'm going to boycott Switzerland v Cameroon and Qatar v Senegal

[fuchsntf]

2 hours ago, Hollism said:

Haven’t watched a second and have no intentions of changing that.
 

The decision to not wear the armband is disgraceful as well. Saw a tweet I think saying “How can we tell elite footballers that now is the time to come out, when their captains won’t take a yellow card for them?”.

Because they play football,and are not political icons.

just to satisfy some people’s whims. They have shown and been interviewed saying whats wrong…

Wearing a band,would be good,but if your bosses,said you have to follow our rules,! no matter what it is…

Its good Qater has been questioned and by some disgraced,but now it’s time for

sportsman to do their job, not go into a political arena,but a football stadium.

 

[Dahnsouff]

9 minutes ago, Daggers said:

Respecting the rights and lives of others isn’t a culture. 

Isn’t how to get there from here a better topic rather than preaching?

[Daggers]

1 minute ago, Dahnsouff said:

Isn’t how to get there from here a better topic rather than preaching?

Loaded term there. You need to fish in other waters, I’m not going to bite. 

[Dahnsouff]

Just now, Daggers said:

Loaded term there. You need to fish in other waters, I’m not going to bite. 

What? You latched onto the preaching term rather than the key premise of my post?    

[Daggers]

1 minute ago, Dahnsouff said:

What? You latched onto the preaching term rather than the key premise of my post?    

🎣 

[Dahnsouff]

Just now, Daggers said:

🎣

Damn you, got me again.  

[CosbehFox]

2 hours ago, Lionator said:

Why should Qatar be obliged to have our culture forced upon them? 

Dunno like but they’ve stopped a Welsh supporter walking in with a rainbow bucket hat and now asked for the word love to be removed off Belgium’s second shirt 

 

I thought they’d refuse and resist within their right but not this level 

[K1FOX]

45 minutes ago, Daggers said:

Respecting the rights and lives of others isn’t a culture. 

In what way do they not do this out of interest?

[K1FOX]

6 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

Dunno like but they’ve stopped a Welsh supporter walking in with a rainbow bucket hat and now asked for the word love to be removed off Belgium’s second shirt 

 

I thought they’d refuse and resist within their right but not this level 

On the bucket hat thing, if you know that they’ve made it clear LGBT, straight or whatever you are you’re welcome but don’t come and demonstrate or rub it in peoples faces in a country where it’s not ‘normal’ so to speak then why would you actively where a rainbow hat? Baffling 

[CosbehFox]

1 minute ago, K1FOX said:

On the bucket hat thing, if you know that they’ve made it clear LGBT, straight or whatever you are you’re welcome but don’t come and demonstrate or rub it in peoples faces in a country where it’s not ‘normal’ so to speak then why would you actively where a rainbow hat? Baffling 

So explain why it’s been okay for said person to wear it all day but not in the stadium? Just bizarre for me personally. 

 

Increasingly bizarre this whole thing. FTs man on the ground says same sex couples can walk around the streets holding hands 

[K1FOX]

3 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

So explain why it’s been okay for said person to wear it all day but not in the stadium? Just bizarre for me personally. 

 

Increasingly bizarre this whole thing. FTs man on the ground says same sex couples can walk around the streets holding hands 

Because they’ve said to not come and demonstrate for it and make it a ‘thing’. Qatar is a country which values its religion and culture and have no ideas on making being gay legal. They don’t want people coming to their country and promoting this behaviour but are more than happy for people to come and be themself. Isn’t this what LGBTQ people want? To be treated the same as everyone else? If so then be happy with that and stop trying to stand out.

[CosbehFox]

3 minutes ago, K1FOX said:

Because they’ve said to not come and demonstrate for it and make it a ‘thing’. Qatar is a country which values its religion and culture and have no ideas on making being gay legal. They don’t want people coming to their country and promoting this behaviour but are more than happy for people to come and be themself. Isn’t this what LGBTQ people want? To be treated the same as everyone else? If so then be happy with that and stop trying to stand out.

So surely making it a ‘thing’ is to pick it out on someone’s head and therefore create larger headlines by the denial of entry. 
 

It would have been one person in a crowd of 40k plus. 
 

Seems bizarre you define someone wearing a hat = ‘behaviour’. 
 

You’ve said LGBTQ people be themselves - to express their pride in their sexuality or inclusive nature is being denied and therefore they are not being themselves 

Edited 21 November 2022 by CosbehFox

[K1FOX]

3 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

So surely making it a ‘thing’ is to pick it out on someone’s head and therefore create larger headlines by the denial of entry. 
 

It would have been one person in a crowd of 40k plus. 
 

Seems bizarre you define someone wearing a hat = ‘behaviour’. 
 

You’ve said LGBTQ people be themselves - to express their pride in their sexuality or inclusive nature is being denied and therefore they are not being themselves 

It’s quite simple. If you are LGBTQ you’re as welcome as everyone else. They’ve asked you not to come to the football and demonstrate or symbolise being LGBTQ or it’s ‘cause’. 
 

As far as I understand the LGBTQ activists want to be part of an inclusive society, so if they’re treating everyone as one in Qatar and allowing them to walk around town holding hands like you said then why the need to go against what they’ve said and take in rainbow hats? I think it’s a big group of supporters who’ve collectively organised and taken these hats in btw.

[CosbehFox]

1 minute ago, K1FOX said:

It’s quite simple. If you are LGBTQ you’re as welcome as everyone else. They’ve asked you not to come to the football and demonstrate or symbolise being LGBTQ or it’s ‘cause’. 
 

As far as I understand the LGBTQ activists want to be part of an inclusive society, so if they’re treating everyone as one in Qatar and allowing them to walk around town holding hands like you said then why the need to go against what they’ve said and take in rainbow hats? I think it’s a big group of supporters who’ve collectively organised and taken these hats in btw.

Has there been an official statement or set of rules over what’s acceptable behaviour etc ? 
 

I haven’t read or heard of one