Is Vichai’s Dream Dying?

[lcfcjosh]

Id like to see other people’s view on this? 
 

I personally think if he was still with us , we wouldn’t be in the mess we are in but that’s my own opinion 

 

Do you think he would’ve invested in the club?

[K1FOX]

He would have recognised that there was a big issue and wouldn’t have let it get this bad that’s for sure. 

[SouthStandUpperTier]

I think he would most probably have sacked BR well before now.

[jim5000]

Yes. Everything we have achieved over the past 10 years is in danger of being completely undone.

 

We were established as a top half premier league team, with no danger and not even a hint of discussion about relegation. However you have to continue to invest to stay at that level, and it looks like Tops gamble to invest in facilities rather than the squad may undo all of that work.

 

At best we are no longer safe and established, at worst we are relegated and struggle to get back up and become the same old yo-yo team of old.

[Adam_LCFC]

Rodgers would have been gone over a year ago if Vichai was still around.

[Spudulike]

2 minutes ago, Adam_LCFC said:

Rodgers would have been gone over a year ago if Vichai was still around.

Don't forget that he left Pearson in charge as we spent 5 months as Premier League no-hopes, routed at the bottom. 

[Richmondfox]

Yes. 

[gazzaa2]

We've lost sight of our purpose and strategy and clubs like Brighton and Brentford are doing it better. 

[Pliskin]

3 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

Don't forget that he left Pearson in charge as we spent 5 months as Premier League no-hopes, routed at the bottom. 

In fairness though we weren’t playing badly. We were losing games narrowly, once Pearson and co found the right system we were evidently fine. 

[SouthStandUpperTier]

Just now, Spudulike said:

Don't forget that he left Pearson in charge as we spent 5 months as Premier League no-hopes, routed at the bottom. 

Our first season back in the top flight after a decade away. BR inherited an established top half PL squad. Slightly different expectations.

[Blanchflower78]

The dream has been realised? It's not even the fact we've fallen away that bothers me as all teams do. Look at Spurs, Arsenal, united etc in recent years - unless you have a billionaire Sheikh at the helm it's incredibly difficult to reach your pinnacle constantly. 

 

The worry is the "speed of decline" and how the club has simply turned a blind eye to so many obvious issues. Now coupled with silence from the clubs hierarchy.

 

It doesn't smell right here nowadays. 

[CrazyKopCorner]

I think it may have come and gone. I suspect the real passion, feel and vision for the club was Vichai’s - An absolute legend - missed and loved in equal measure

[turlo]

He'd of taken action by sacking Rodgers by now and certainly would not of allowed Rodgers to get away with slagging off the club in the media. He'd of also held the directors to account who'd signed off our massive overspend on wages, which have crippled our ability to spend money on new players

 

Investment in the club hasn't changed between Vichai and Top and don't think it would be any different now ie they also used the EPL prize money and player sales as the source source of finance for purchasing players and any investment has gone into infrastructure

 

Most importantly Vichai was the boss, an inspirational & motivational leader at the helm of the ship, which is something we're missing now

[Beachyboy]

8 minutes ago, jim5000 said:

Yes. Everything we have achieved over the past 10 years is in danger of being completely undone.

 

We were established as a top half premier league team, with no danger and not even a hint of discussion about relegation. However you have to continue to invest to stay at that level, and it looks like Tops gamble to invest in facilities rather than the squad may undo all of that work.

 

At best we are no longer safe and established, at worst we are relegated and struggle to get back up and become the same old yo-yo team of old.

Investing in facilities is a long term move, investing in players a short term one, if we need to increase our revenue streams because of FFP, then developing facilities that potentially allow you to produce more players with resale value would be one way to go about it, the big clubs spend a lot more on transfers as they are able to earn a lot more revenue, I'd rather a chairman was thinking of the long term look at Sunderland, Sheffield Wednesday, Ipswich all in the top 8 of the Premiership at one stage, you can't continually spend your way out of trouble 

[chapero82]

11 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

Don't forget that he left Pearson in charge as we spent 5 months as Premier League no-hopes, routed at the bottom. 

We were playing well and never conceded more than 2 goals. We have no fight in us under BR

[tickler28]

He'd be turning in his grave seeing what we'd become. All the players, coaches, physios etc should hold their heads in shame

[Product of 84]

While I want Rodgers gone I think Top is following his Father's model. Simply put he won't sack Rodgers unless a replacement is lined up. 

 

I don't think there is a replacement (that would be interested) that fits the vision of the club. The current model is to attract young talent who see us as a stepping stone to greater things and to continue to strengthen and bring through our youth. 

 

That's why I think we are pretty stuck. 

[jim5000]

7 minutes ago, Beachyboy said:

Investing in facilities is a long term move, investing in players a short term one, if we need to increase our revenue streams because of FFP, then developing facilities that potentially allow you to produce more players with resale value would be one way to go about it, the big clubs spend a lot more on transfers as they are able to earn a lot more revenue, I'd rather a chairman was thinking of the long term look at Sunderland, Sheffield Wednesday, Ipswich all in the top 8 of the Premiership at one stage, you can't continually spend your way out of trouble 

100% agree, and it’s what Top said the strategy was in his fan update before the World Cup. However the question is, have thy got the balance between long term and short term investment correct? Have they wrongly assumed that the squad was competitive enough with a good manager to survive for 1 or 2 seasons with minimal investment to allow the long term infrastructure investments to start?

 

It’s looking like they may have underestimated quite how competitive the Premier League is, and that you simply cannot afford to stand still if you want to stay in it. A couple of key players get long term injured, a couple more lose form, and a couple more reach the end of their careers and all of a sudden you are looking at relegation and everything is potentially lost.

Edited 15 January 2023 by jim5000

[Adam_LCFC]

4 minutes ago, Beachyboy said:

Investing in facilities is a long term move, investing in players a short term one, if we need to increase our revenue streams because of FFP, then developing facilities that potentially allow you to produce more players with resale value would be one way to go about it, the big clubs spend a lot more on transfers as they are able to earn a lot more revenue, I'd rather a chairman was thinking of the long term look at Sunderland, Sheffield Wednesday, Ipswich all in the top 8 of the Premiership at one stage, you can't continually spend your way out of trouble 

There has to be a healthy balance though. We were clearly in trouble last year with many of the same problems we have now, we responded by selling Fofana, and realistically only signing Faes. That isn't adequately reinvesting that money in the squad which is what we needed.

[AyewJoking]

I dislike the manager and have low opinions of nearly all the players and the incompetent fools that are responsible for running the club.

 

It was an amazing ride but its over

 

 

[Buzzell]

There’s no doubt Vichai was more trigger happy than his son and that he had less patience. Brendan would be gone by now.

[goody2028]

Depends what his dream was I suppose. If it was to be playing Blackburn away on a Tuesday night I’d say it was well on its way 

[Stevosevic]

10 minutes ago, Product of 84 said:

While I want Rodgers gone I think Top is following his Father's model. Simply put he won't sack Rodgers unless a replacement is lined up. 

 

I don't think there is a replacement (that would be interested) that fits the vision of the club. The current model is to attract young talent who see us as a stepping stone to greater things and to continue to strengthen and bring through our youth. 

 

That's why I think we are pretty stuck. 

I don’t think we’ve ever sacked a manager with a replacement lined up.

 

Always felt it’s taken weeks to appoint a new manager under Vichai and Top. 

[The Quick Brown Fox]

27 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

Don't forget that he left Pearson in charge as we spent 5 months as Premier League no-hopes, routed at the bottom. 

Being no hopes is the point though isn't it? 

Under Brendan we were expected to be up there in the mix for Europe. Now to be 2 points off the bottom is not acceptable. 

[fox_favourite]

Seems like it is.