Is Vichai’s Dream Dying?

[Beachyboy]

13 minutes ago, Adam_LCFC said:

There has to be a healthy balance though. We were clearly in trouble last year with many of the same problems we have now, we responded by selling Fofana, and realistically only signing Faes. That isn't adequately reinvesting that money in the squad which is what we needed.

They want a run it as a sustainable business, every club will make mistakes with transfers, but we missed a trick not selling Ndidi when he was on form, as he doesn't even fit into how Rogers wants to play, same with Nacho, should of lowered our price for TIELEMANS, not resigned Vardy sold Praet and then you create close to £100 million that you can reinvest.

Edited 15 January 2023 by Beachyboy

[Finnegan]

When Arsenal built the Emirates, they fell in to relative doldrums by their standards for an extremely long time. Nothing is for free, you spend in one area you lose out in another. 

 

It took a long time for Arsenal to get back to a position where they could really invest and its only been the last couple of seasons they've started spending. 

 

Our owners have just invested massively in the training facilities and are trying to put money aside for a major redevelopment of the stadium and the surrounding areas.

 

You can't do those things without sacrificing spend elsewhere. And the idea that they've not invested in the squad over the years is a little bit harsh. Money has been spent, albeit conservatively, but a decent amount of it has been wasted on poor decisions made by the recruitment team. Top didn't choose Bertrand or Vestergaard, he didn't choose Praet, Perez, Soumaré, Soyuncu or any other number of players the current manager doesn't actually want to play. 

 

And neither did he choose the man that signed off on them either, the Director of Football was appointed by Vichai - whose dream he helped deliver. 

 

I think Top definitely needs to learn to get his hands dirty, I think his father was shrewd and knew when to be cold. I think he'd already have pulled the trigger on Rodgers. But beyond not sacking Brendan I'm not really sure we can credit him with all that much failure. 

 

I honestly think the manager is responsible for a massive amount of the condition we find ourselves in and I don't actually believe the squad is anywhere near as bad as it appears currently on the pitch. 

 

I genuinely believe that with the right leadership and a manager who could actually work with them, the likes of Soumare, Iheanacho, Daka, Soyuncu and Co probably form the core of a really solid Premier League team. We're every bit as good on paper as the Brighton and Fulhams that are outperforming us we are just horrifically coached by a toxic spectre that is lingering over the squad like a bleak malaise. 

 

I really don't think we need to panic about our ownership or start turning on the board any more than just insisting they find a better manager. 

[PAPA LAZAROU]

26 minutes ago, Beachyboy said:

Investing in facilities is a long term move, investing in players a short term one, if we need to increase our revenue streams because of FFP, then developing facilities that potentially allow you to produce more players with resale value would be one way to go about it, the big clubs spend a lot more on transfers as they are able to earn a lot more revenue, I'd rather a chairman was thinking of the long term look at Sunderland, Sheffield Wednesday, Ipswich all in the top 8 of the Premiership at one stage, you can't continually spend your way out of trouble 

Long term is no good when you are dumped back into the wilderness of the championship is it? It doesn't matter how swank your training facilities are if you are out of the prem, you no longer become atractive to either agents or players. and then it's a slide year by year being less able to get back among the prem teams. I give you Blackburn and how easy it is to hit the skids and never get back again. The team should come first everytime, no good looking at Seagrave if you are down amung the dead men is it.

[1884Man]

The dream was achieved in 2016.

[sm1]

30 minutes ago, turlo said:

He'd of taken action by sacking Rodgers by now and certainly would not of allowed Rodgers to get away with slagging off the club in the media. He'd of also held the directors to account who'd signed off our massive overspend on wages, which have crippled our ability to spend money on new players

 

Investment in the club hasn't changed between Vichai and Top and don't think it would be any different now ie they also used the EPL prize money and player sales as the source source of finance for purchasing players and any investment has gone into infrastructure

 

Most importantly Vichai was the boss, an inspirational & motivational leader at the helm of the ship, which is something we're missing now

Absolutely, Vichai was an alpha male who let everybody know who the boss was. As soon as Pearson's son and his mates dragged the club's reputation through the mud, he was gone. Rodgers has been criticising the club for 6 months and Top just stands by like a cuck. Even the players know it, that's why so many are taking the piss and running down their contracts. 

[Finnegan]

23 minutes ago, sm1 said:

Absolutely, Vichai was an alpha male

 

23 minutes ago, sm1 said:

Top just stands by like a cuck

 

 

ok Andrew Tate.

[LCFCJohn]

1 hour ago, Spudulike said:

Don't forget that he left Pearson in charge as we spent 5 months as Premier League no-hopes, routed at the bottom. 

Different scenario. We wouldn’t have been in the shit if we’d gone back down. 
 

Financially now it’s a much different story with a lot more riding on it.

[foxinsocks]

1 hour ago, Finnegan said:

When Arsenal built the Emirates, they fell in to relative doldrums by their standards for an extremely long time. Nothing is for free, you spend in one area you lose out in another. 

 

It took a long time for Arsenal to get back to a position where they could really invest and its only been the last couple of seasons they've started spending. 

 

Our owners have just invested massively in the training facilities and are trying to put money aside for a major redevelopment of the stadium and the surrounding areas.

 

You can't do those things without sacrificing spend elsewhere. And the idea that they've not invested in the squad over the years is a little bit harsh. Money has been spent, albeit conservatively, but a decent amount of it has been wasted on poor decisions made by the recruitment team. Top didn't choose Bertrand or Vestergaard, he didn't choose Praet, Perez, Soumaré, Soyuncu or any other number of players the current manager doesn't actually want to play. 

 

And neither did he choose the man that signed off on them either, the Director of Football was appointed by Vichai - whose dream he helped deliver. 

 

I think Top definitely needs to learn to get his hands dirty, I think his father was shrewd and knew when to be cold. I think he'd already have pulled the trigger on Rodgers. But beyond not sacking Brendan I'm not really sure we can credit him with all that much failure. 

 

I honestly think the manager is responsible for a massive amount of the condition we find ourselves in and I don't actually believe the squad is anywhere near as bad as it appears currently on the pitch. 

 

I genuinely believe that with the right leadership and a manager who could actually work with them, the likes of Soumare, Iheanacho, Daka, Soyuncu and Co probably form the core of a really solid Premier League team. We're every bit as good on paper as the Brighton and Fulhams that are outperforming us we are just horrifically coached by a toxic spectre that is lingering over the squad like a bleak malaise. 

 

I really don't think we need to panic about our ownership or start turning on the board any more than just insisting they find a better manager. 

I am baffled that they have not sacked Rodgers.  Other options are available.  It is clear he is out of ideas and has dissed the club, board, players and fans.  He says in the mercury that it is his job to analyse performance... well he should analyse his own.

I am pretty dure vichia would have seen thru  this  non performing employee.  Top needs to assert himself... this is his moment

Edited 15 January 2023 by foxinsocks

[splinterdream]

It’s entirely possible he’d have looked to sell us to another buyer, if his business is in as much trouble as some say it is, we may have become an unwelcome distraction, which we may be to the family at present, they may be hesitant though as we’ve now become vichais legacy 

[UHDrive]

Silence is golden. I'm sure in my mind that Top is not focused on the good of the club but moreso potentially selling it. 

 

There are at least 3x loans KP have taken out against the club. That's 3x loans that KP have taken out against PL Parachute Payments. Nothing is free goes the qoute. 

 

Top and KP in Thailand with the board are only just creeping out of covid and profits are slim at best whilst focusing on building skyscrapers in the Thai capital as business ventures. 

 

Top has been quiet for the last 2 seasons, not as enthusiastic. There may be pressure from the board to cut ties with lcfc so as to focus on Thailand instead, we just don't know. 

 

What I don't like is the loans taken out against KP and leveraged against the clubs PL prize money and parachute payments should we fall, especially if their intention has been to sell for some time. If that were the case I would've thought they would sell during our 2x European and fa cup seasons but the argument from Top would be to keep the PR on KP perhaps and increase the clubs value. 

 

Right now the club is in dire straits and the board is absent. The manager has a feet up swanky office at seagrave which I would question whether this has decreased his motivation. There appears no motivation from the players nor accountability from rudkin/whelan and middle management. The academy is slowly rotting away whether by lack of managing talent or getting talent in. This all smacks of office politics and I've seen it many times when colleagues know one another for too long etc and become passive and start to take shortcuts.

 

The scary thing for KP is BR's total autonomy, almost like a dictator but not that extreme. Everytime I watch our players play I don't beleive they are playing to their talents, or the talents they were brought in for. I believe that Rodgers is hamstringing the players on the pitch whether by restricting their positional play or generally how they play. It's no wonder there is no fluidity on the pitch. 

[fuchsntf]

Vichai also brought his Son Top along the ride, let’s not forget LCFC was Tops

wished club…I am sure Top is also like his father…

but KP his priority…So we can’t judge his seemingly lack of action on club.

He probably believed like many of us that dip in form…wouldn’t be so dramatic..

 

And there is still more, we don’t really know,  not having funds readily available. Fans building their own theories,and creating their own must be‘s

aint helping…Discreditting Rodgers for words passed don’t get it done..

His record on actions should be proof enough..

[TrentFox]

“It’s not dead, it’s resting”. 

[Guest kristianity77]

Vichai's son doesn't give a shit, that much is certain.  It's all falling apart and he's doing nothing about it.

 

It's a shame but let's be honest, it wasn't his baby was it, it was his dad's.

 

Once the dust had settled from the tragedy, he should have sold it off.  I don't actually know what his end goal is because if we don't act now, we aren't going to be worth anything in the championship with half our squad leaving on a free, and other teams picking off the rest. 

 

It seems like our downfall is going to be as rapid as our rise was and as fans we can't (or won't) do anything, we have to sit and watch it all unfold.

[STUHILL]

8 minutes ago, kristianity77 said:

Vichai's son doesn't give a shit, that much is certain.  It's all falling apart and he's doing nothing about it.

 

It's a shame but let's be honest, it wasn't his baby was it, it was his dad's.

 

Once the dust had settled from the tragedy, he should have sold it off.  I don't actually know what his end goal is because if we don't act now, we aren't going to be worth anything in the championship with half our squad leaving on a free, and other teams picking off the rest. 

 

It seems like our downfall is going to be as rapid as our rise was and as fans we can't (or won't) do anything, we have to sit and watch it all unfold.

He clearly does give a shit, he was crying when we won the FA Cup. That is not an owner who is detached from the club. 

 

I am sure he misses his father's ruthless streak though, and I am sure Rodgers would have been gone by now.

 

Don't forget that covid would have decimated King Power too, and so the last 2-3 years has been a huge challenge for Top. 

 

I think he still deserves the benefit of the doubt, but he needs to sack Rodgers now and invest in the squad in the window. 

[Vestan Pance]

I don't think Vichai would have stood for Rodgers' dirty tricks that got him the ridiculous contract, he was too strong for that.

Edited 15 January 2023 by Vestan Pance

[SpacedX]

If it is dying, can we at least ditch that f*****g stupid song? 

[Simoken]

i love how most in here talk about him like they actually knew him personally. cringe

[Ron Combo]

We've had our time in the sun, now we need to brace ourselves for a couple of cold winters. We'll be back, that's for sure, but whether we ever achieve again those sunlit uplands of 2015-16 is another question that is better being parked for the moment.

[Livid]

I honestly don’t know what’s going on.

 

Obviously IF we are relegated the value of the club is reduced considerably, KP don’t want that. 
 

What confuses me most is that we’ve come through Covid and  if KP has took such a massive hit why are we seemingly going full steam ahead with an expensive ground development ? 

I’m not laying the blame solely on any one individual but we took our eye off the ball financially and that has impacted the team massively. 
 

 

 

[blueharmie]

As a Leicester fan I've completed football, with the PL win, fa cup and those league cups.

 

Maybe that's why the fan base is so reluctant to sing Rodgers out or get pissed off,because let's face it that league win was a miracle.

 

Just a shame we couldn't build on it, then was the time and now seems the time for relegation.

 

Honestly couldn't make this stuff up.

 

Lived the dream , will feel the pain.

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest Mee-9]

It is - Wilting. 

 

We'll be back where we started next season. 

[Speedwell 🦊]

7 hours ago, lcfcjosh said:

Id like to see other people’s view on this? 
 

I personally think if he was still with us , we wouldn’t be in the mess we are in but that’s my own opinion 

 

Do you think he would’ve invested in the club?

Definitely.Top seems lost and out of his depth without his Dad.That’s not being horrible,just realistic.He’s got to get a grip.It Will put us back ten years if we get relegated.

[jim5000]

7 hours ago, Finnegan said:

When Arsenal built the Emirates, they fell in to relative doldrums by their standards for an extremely long time. Nothing is for free, you spend in one area you lose out in another. 

 

It took a long time for Arsenal to get back to a position where they could really invest and its only been the last couple of seasons they've started spending. 

 

Our owners have just invested massively in the training facilities and are trying to put money aside for a major redevelopment of the stadium and the surrounding areas.

 

You can't do those things without sacrificing spend elsewhere. And the idea that they've not invested in the squad over the years is a little bit harsh. Money has been spent, albeit conservatively, but a decent amount of it has been wasted on poor decisions made by the recruitment team. Top didn't choose Bertrand or Vestergaard, he didn't choose Praet, Perez, Soumaré, Soyuncu or any other number of players the current manager doesn't actually want to play. 

 

And neither did he choose the man that signed off on them either, the Director of Football was appointed by Vichai - whose dream he helped deliver. 

 

I think Top definitely needs to learn to get his hands dirty, I think his father was shrewd and knew when to be cold. I think he'd already have pulled the trigger on Rodgers. But beyond not sacking Brendan I'm not really sure we can credit him with all that much failure. 

 

I honestly think the manager is responsible for a massive amount of the condition we find ourselves in and I don't actually believe the squad is anywhere near as bad as it appears currently on the pitch. 

 

I genuinely believe that with the right leadership and a manager who could actually work with them, the likes of Soumare, Iheanacho, Daka, Soyuncu and Co probably form the core of a really solid Premier League team. We're every bit as good on paper as the Brighton and Fulhams that are outperforming us we are just horrifically coached by a toxic spectre that is lingering over the squad like a bleak malaise. 

 

I really don't think we need to panic about our ownership or start turning on the board any more than just insisting they find a better manager. 

Arsenal had a higher baseline though. Their doldrums was top 10 rather than flirting with relegation.

 

And this is the third window without a meaningful signing (Faes was like for like for Fofana), and the key players like Schmeichel have been allowed to walk away without being replaced.

[Monk]

There were several times during Vichai's reign where at the time I felt he acted too quickly but in retrospect he got the decisions bang on with Sven, Nigel and Claudio, I have no doubt the Brendan would be gone by now if he was still here. Whether or not that would solve the problems we have, I am not convinced. The club has developed deeper structural issues which need to be addressed before we can become competitive again.

[Gazza M]

Feels we are left with the son in over his head trying to carry on with running things. 

 

Maybe time to step aside Top or sell up and move on.