Top & KP - In or Out?

[lifted*fox]

ToP iS DiSgRACiNG hIS fAtHeR'S LeGACy

 

 

of all the absolute nonsense we have on FT, and there's a LOT - this sort of shit has been some of the worst and it's been rampant recently.

 

people calling Rodger's 'cancer', etc. 

 

mindless stuff, absolute cringe-fest material and utterly embarrassing to think fans of other teams etc. might swing by and see it. 

[Tommy G]

1 minute ago, Lcfc098 said:

Personally, feels to me that for the past few years the clubs been running on the back of what Vichai built. Now that we're getting to the point where Top has to make decisions of his own he seems out of his depth.

We won the FA Cup under Top. You mean the past 6 months don't you, not the last few years?

[CosbehFox]

6 minutes ago, Mike the Metal Ed said:

The executive level of the club certainly needs a refresh, but that doesn't mean Top should sell, we've seen so many awful owners in this sport that'd it'd be dangerous right now to assume we'd do better.

Bingo. There’s a huge case that the tiers that feed into the board need a massive sweep up on so many levels. There’s so so much middle management at the club which is bad rubbish. 
 

I don’t think it is directly down to the owners but those around them….can we start to appreciate the hundred years plus history of this club alongside the last ten ? 

[Lcfc098]

Just now, Tommy G said:

We won the FA Cup under Top. You mean the past 6 months don't you, not the last few years?

As i said, running on the back of what Vichai built. Not saying Top didn't have an impact but he's mainly left things how his dad left them.

[Tommy G]

2 minutes ago, Lcfc098 said:

As i said, running on the back of what Vichai built. Not saying Top didn't have an impact but he's mainly left things how his dad left them.

Left it how his Dad left them? You mean off the back of winning the league? Daft. He's overseen Seagrave which we can argue to the high hills about how successful that has been on injuries etc but everyone was waxing lyrical when it was being built and opened. I think the injury issues could be attributable to Dave Rennie departing which was Rodgets call I think.

Edited 7 March 2023 by Tommy G

[Lcfc098]

Just now, Tommy G said:

Left it how his Dad left them? You mean off the back of winning the league? Daft. He's overseen Seagrave which we can argue to the high hills about how successful that has been on injuries etc but everyone was waxing lyrical ehen it was being built and opened. 

He's spent money to build a training ground fair enough. End of the day, his decision making as an owner of a premier league club leaves a lot to wonder.

[Mickyblueeyes]

Top needs help. I've said it in the other thread. 

 

His board consists of a loyal CEO, a consistent FD, a first time GC and three promotions within. That doesn't mean they are not good at their job - far from it. But anyone who has taken home a NED payment for 12 days work understands how important the role can be. This club needs an outside voice - I dont know if we have any in at the moment but its certainly an strategy we should be looking at. The executive level may have reached its ceiling and needs a third voice. 

 

There are issues with communication with the fans - that doesnt mean Top or Susan need to come out and say "we are not sacking Brendan because..." but fans are feeling disillusioned - not all but some and its very important that side improves given the nature of this game. Of course, that disillusion is amplified by the results on the pitch. 

 

I'm not overly loyal to any owner, player or manager. I mean my heart was broken when we sold Joachim and Heskey - no one stays forever. There was a time when this forum was up in arms when the Foxes Trust were asking the right questions re: the Mandaric takeover. Things can change and if they do, so be it. Pretending the impact on us is significant just by a change in personal is not right. I think there are lessons to be learnt this season and because of the quality of the CEO, I am hoping we do that. 

 

Top should sell if he wants to and if he wants to stay and can stay, great as well. 

 

 

[Tuna]

Club needs a root and branch clear out from top to bottom.

 

Top is too loyal.

 

It's the people under Top who are the problem and need moving on.

Edited 7 March 2023 by Tuna

[Fox92]

12 minutes ago, MPH said:

Be careful what you wish for. 
 

 

I mean, they’ve cleared hundreds of millions of debt. Twice. They are not blood sucking vampires. Admittedly  I’m hoping there will be a time that investing in infrastructure will be done so we can increase our budget for the playing side.. but I certainly don’t want them gone and I’m perplexed as to why someone would..

Most, if not, all owners clear debt though.

It's not twice though is it because this most recent time he cleared debt the club owed to King Power which is him anyway

[Tommy G]

1 minute ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Top needs help. I've said it in the other thread. 

 

His board consists of a loyal CEO, a consistent FD, a first time GC and three promotions within. That doesn't mean they are not good at their job - far from it. But anyone who has taken home a NED payment for 12 days work understands how important the role can be. This club needs an outside voice - I dont know if we have any in at the moment but its certainly an strategy we should be looking at. The executive level may have reached its ceiling and needs a third voice. 

 

There are issues with communication with the fans - that doesnt mean Top or Susan need to come out and say "we are not sacking Brendan because..." but fans are feeling disillusioned - not all but some and its very important that side improves given the nature of this game. Of course, that disillusion is amplified by the results on the pitch. 

 

I'm not overly loyal to any owner, player or manager. I mean my heart was broken when we sold Joachim and Heskey - no one stays forever. There was a time when this forum was up in arms when the Foxes Trust were asking the right questions re: the Mandaric takeover. Things can change and if they do, so be it. Pretending the impact on us is significant just by a change in personal is not right. I think there are lessons to be learnt this season and because of the quality of the CEO, I am hoping we do that. 

 

Top should sell if he wants to and if he wants to stay and can stay, great as well. 

 

 

I agree on the NED point, probably one or two. I'd sack Rudkin but keep Susan Whelan. I dont think the current FD is much of an issue, every clubs finances are run on a knife edge in the premier league its the status quo with FFP.

[FoxyLeon]

In.

 

Their financial backing isn't the issue, it's their decision making which needs improving. For me, we need more 'Football Men' at the Club, bridging the gap between the Management of the Players and the Management of the Club, the Manager has too much power currently.

We don't appear to have any Long-Term planning at the Club, and a Manager is never going to prioritise that because they know it's the Short-Term which ultimately decides their job. We're 'too nice' as a team, and I think that Culture is set right at the top of the Club, Top is too nice and too loyal. 

[tsintskaro]

42 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

Wanting owners to leave who have taken us from second tier mediocrity to winning three trophies (including the biggest two in English football) in the last seven years is moronic. 

that is tier 2 football club mentality 

[pmcla26]

Just now, tsintskaro said:

that is tier 2 football club mentality 

Well, it's quite clearly not. The only other way we could have achieved what we have under King Power is via sportswashing. There aren't any other owners of similar size football clubs, with similar size wealth in this country that have achieved the success we have in that period of time under King Power. 

[MPH]

4 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Most, if not, all owners clear debt though.

It's not twice though is it because this most recent time he cleared debt the club owed to King Power which is him anyway

Well the club still owed the debt didn’t we? If something had gone wrong ( like the fans turning on him) and he decided to  walk away we would have still owed them the money.  That is no longer the case so, yes, it was twice .

[Lcfc098]

Everyone who loves KP so much. We'll see if you still worship them when we're in the championship and they decide to sell up

[Dahnsouff]

4 minutes ago, tsintskaro said:

that is tier 2 football club mentality 

Out of interest, would you rather we were sold to a different owner, who could splash the cash and gets us to compete for top 6?

[MPH]

2 minutes ago, Lcfc098 said:

Everyone who loves KP so much. We'll see if you still worship them when we're in the championship and they decide to sell up

 

well if they did decide to sell up we’d be a great club to buy as they have cleared our debt for us. It makes us a very attractive proposition.

Edited 7 March 2023 by MPH

[Lcfc098]

Just now, MPH said:

 

well if they did decide to sell up we’d be a great club to buy ad they have cleared our debt for us. It makes us a very attractive proposition.

 my point proven

[foxfanazer]

Nah I'm not there yet. Do feel like he needs better people around him though. Or at least everybody pulling in the right direction 

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, Lcfc098 said:

 my point proven

Which was? Assume its hidden under those unnecessary laughing fellows?

[MPH]

3 minutes ago, Lcfc098 said:

 my point proven

 

what exactly was your point?

[westernpark]

I am neutral towards King Power. They are not a family but a company, hence why they've appointed Susan Whelan and so on. I am not sycophantic towards them like some of our fanbase, which is a dangerous step, because you have to be able to hold them accountable for the good or/and bad. Every season the club becomes more corporate than the last, whilst our owners play a part in that, I see the Premier League and wider football market as the main causation for this. Furthermore, I believe Nigel Pearson was more responsible for our success on the pitch, rather than King Power. Could another manager have built what he did? Very unlikely. Could he have built what he did without King Power? Most likely. Although, we might not have won the league, instead gaining sustained success like that under Martin O'neill. 

However, I am wary of who is out there to replace them. For that reason I will vote in. Whilst we lose our identity on and off the pitch, through the ownership and the advent of modern football, I will continue to enjoy the intangible heritage of my experience of supporting the club. Those friends I only see at football. The pubs I visit. The route I take to the ground and have done for the last twenty years. My memories and nostalgia, of worse times on the pitch, but happier times as a supporter. This is what football is about. 

[foxinsocks]

I dont want them to sell up. I want them to wake up

[Lcfc098]

1 minute ago, MPH said:

 

what exactly was your point?

KP/Top will take us down and you will all still worship them

[Dahnsouff]

Just now, Lcfc098 said:

KP/Top will take us down and you will all still worship them

I have not voted yet you naughty boy