Fazzer 7 Posted 28 July 2023 Share Posted 28 July 2023 If he was any good he'd be staying at Villa, surely. They're hardly world beaters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Posted 28 July 2023 Share Posted 28 July 2023 Football is littered with players deemed not good enough by one academy who then go on to quite successful somewhere else. Admittedly, this guy is exactly classed as a youngster in today's modern game but give the kid a chance. There are so many variables to the reasons we're signing him. It could be that we've seen something in him that might mean he pushes for a 1st team spot, or it could be that we've got someone else in the youth teams that needs some competition to push them on and help their development. Don't know why anyone would be so bothered by a signing like this, I'm surprised there's even news about it, usually these would just slip under the radar and hardly anyone would know about it. I mean, I probably wouldn't turn my nose up at what his wage is likely to be, but I don't think it'll make much difference to our budget, so what's the issue? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozdog Posted 28 July 2023 Share Posted 28 July 2023 We can’t spend 5-7 million on every player. Got to have depth that costs very little. This then allows you to spend more on the mid to top end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuchsntf Posted 28 July 2023 Share Posted 28 July 2023 On 24/07/2023 at 16:43, CosbehFox said: Think you are thinking too deep if you think a scout has been involved here. Then who was sent out to “scout” him..This wasn’t decided in a one off card game in a dark corner in a pub..Somebody would have taken a look see. And not Betty the tea lady Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankieADZ Posted 28 July 2023 Share Posted 28 July 2023 another one to fill the u23 ranks then gets released within 3 yrs sadly 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Shire Fox Posted 28 July 2023 Share Posted 28 July 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Jimbo said: Football is littered with players deemed not good enough by one academy who then go on to quite successful somewhere else. Admittedly, this guy is exactly classed as a youngster in today's modern game but give the kid a chance. There are so many variables to the reasons we're signing him. It could be that we've seen something in him that might mean he pushes for a 1st team spot, or it could be that we've got someone else in the youth teams that needs some competition to push them on and help their development. Don't know why anyone would be so bothered by a signing like this, I'm surprised there's even news about it, usually these would just slip under the radar and hardly anyone would know about it. I mean, I probably wouldn't turn my nose up at what his wage is likely to be, but I don't think it'll make much difference to our budget, so what's the issue? Not sure about that, someone at the club clearly has Villa connections whether its Petty or someone in recruitment but they seem to have no ideas whatsoever other then just to take shit from their old club who they either know or has been recommended to them. Just demonstrates a complete lack of ideas. We are a club that had been on top of Aston Villa for the best part of 10 years but year on year we end up with fodder they deem not good enough. Wonder what clubs take our academy cast offs, i imagine its almost entirely clubs that are about the 1/4 of the size of us, not one that up until now has been in the same division. Just really wish the club would recognise how important churning out academy players is for our future by heavily investing in its recruitment and the coaching staff so we have a top class academy to go with the top class facilities. Edited 28 July 2023 by South Shire Fox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stadt Posted 28 July 2023 Share Posted 28 July 2023 Just cope on top of cope. Signing Villa cast offs has contributed to finishing bottom by 9 points in the PL2. inb4 ”yOuTh DeVeLoPmEnT iSn’T aLl AbOuT wInNiNg” like losing most weeks helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Shep Posted 28 July 2023 Share Posted 28 July 2023 Yeah I get it, we are in division 2, doesn't mean we need to sign average players for the sake of it. He may turn out to be good, but can't say our record is particularly great with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Shep Posted 28 July 2023 Share Posted 28 July 2023 2 hours ago, fuchsntf said: Then who was sent out to “scout” him..This wasn’t decided in a one off card game in a dark corner in a pub..Somebody would have taken a look see. And not Betty the tea lady I wish it was Betty, statistically she has just as good a chance as finding a gem as our current scouts! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacreblueits442 Posted 28 July 2023 Share Posted 28 July 2023 3 hours ago, Jimbo said: Football is littered with players deemed not good enough by one academy who then go on to quite successful somewhere else. Admittedly, this guy is exactly classed as a youngster in today's modern game but give the kid a chance. There are so many variables to the reasons we're signing him. It could be that we've seen something in him that might mean he pushes for a 1st team spot, or it could be that we've got someone else in the youth teams that needs some competition to push them on and help their development. Don't know why anyone would be so bothered by a signing like this, I'm surprised there's even news about it, usually these would just slip under the radar and hardly anyone would know about it. I mean, I probably wouldn't turn my nose up at what his wage is likely to be, but I don't think it'll make much difference to our budget, so what's the issue? ...there is a noticeable trait to pulling youth players from one club, and that is a red flag that should not go unnoticed!!! Is this due to their academy (Villa) being seen as the Premier club academy in the region, or that we are so lazy that we choose not to wander too far in case we get lost? We are constantly looking to Southampton for players and now we are focusing on Villa as a recruitment drive. Derby had Ebiowei who went to Palace for free when we were crying out for someone, anyone to take up the Right Wing birth. I have no problems with bringing players in, it is the policy we are using that worries me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillehamring Posted 28 July 2023 Share Posted 28 July 2023 12 hours ago, sacreblueits442 said: ...prior to Braybrooke and Alves getting injured, we were still just as bad!!! The loans were a move in the right direction, it did have an effect on the squad last season where we played age-appropriate players and not the overage players, in an attempt to win the league. But there was a long list of injuries, if i recall, and with so many out on loan, we were having to play players that simply weren't good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacreblueits442 Posted 28 July 2023 Share Posted 28 July 2023 1 minute ago, Lillehamring said: But there was a long list of injuries, if i recall, and with so many out on loan, we were having to play players that simply weren't good enough. ...the most salient point was that the team was now age appropriate!!! We did bring in some players that were younger than the requirements but we never looked like a football team. Individuals playing together without shape and out of position. We never brought in a striker, we had Popov who we messed around and he, unfortunately, did pick up a long-term injury, but even when he was playing, there was not a coherent supply that he could feed off. The whole place should be overhauled with a new approach put in its place. We have struggled to develop players to come through and the ones that do, always seem to bypass the U21s in order to show their potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillehamring Posted 28 July 2023 Share Posted 28 July 2023 10 hours ago, sacreblueits442 said: ...in the early clips of the players who had returned for pre-season, Petty could clearly be seen in the training sessions with Maresca in charge!!! What I would hope to see would be a transition to the same style of play as the first team being implemented in the U21s. We need to establish an identity and get the club to play the same all the way through to the U15s. The ladies' side may look to adopt the same style as well. not inconceivable that the same malaise BR brought to the first team, had a knock on effect on the way Petty did his job - maybe our new philosophy will free him up to develop players more roundly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sol thewall Bamba Posted 28 July 2023 Share Posted 28 July 2023 3 hours ago, Stadt said: Just cope on top of cope. Signing Villa cast offs has contributed to finishing bottom by 9 points in the PL2. inb4 ”yOuTh DeVeLoPmEnT iSn’T aLl AbOuT wInNiNg” like losing most weeks helps. BuT wHaT aBoUt VaRdY 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuchsntf Posted 28 July 2023 Share Posted 28 July 2023 3 hours ago, Sir Shep said: I wish it was Betty, statistically she has just as good a chance as finding a gem as our current scouts! Probably true. @Sir Shep & PROMISED A FREE DUNK with ginger biscuits.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 28 July 2023 Share Posted 28 July 2023 6 hours ago, fuchsntf said: Then who was sent out to “scout” him..This wasn’t decided in a one off card game in a dark corner in a pub..Somebody would have taken a look see. And not Betty the tea lady He’s a player that the Under 21s manager is aware of as they were both at Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPH Posted 28 July 2023 Share Posted 28 July 2023 There’s so many variables involved in a youngster growing into a good player that I really don’t think we, as fans, should concern ourselves so much with who we recruit as there are so many different factors that can make a player blossom. Maybe go to some u23 games this season to get a better idea of who might make it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jattdogg Posted 28 July 2023 Share Posted 28 July 2023 Happy to see a brown lad get a chance. Means a lot to our community to see that and give others hope! Work hard and who knows, it might pay off. If not, wish him well wherever his football journey takes him. Hopefully he is our next diamond in the rough though! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacreblueits442 Posted 28 July 2023 Share Posted 28 July 2023 32 minutes ago, MPH said: There’s so many variables involved in a youngster growing into a good player that I really don’t think we, as fans, should concern ourselves so much with who we recruit as there are so many different factors that can make a player blossom. Maybe go to some u23 games this season to get a better idea of who might make it ...we have been limited by the number of televised games for the U21s last season, and I suspect the same thing will happen again!!! There are many posters on here who look forward to taking in a U21 game, and they give their appraisal of what they have seen. Things like a Karamoko Dembele situation would make you want to go down and see for yourself what all the talk is about. What is happening in the academy is very much something that is important to keep an eye on. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HankMarvin Posted 28 July 2023 Share Posted 28 July 2023 2 hours ago, Sol thewall Bamba said: BuT wHaT aBoUt VaRdY Vardy was 16 When released and he was on a upward trajectory when we signed him. Too good for Halifax too good for Fleetwood. this lad approaching 21 has been released after 2 loans in the conference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post moore_94 Posted 17 August 2023 Popular Post Share Posted 17 August 2023 https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11712/12941599/arjan-raikhy-punjabi-wonderkid-joins-former-premier-league-champions-leicester-after-leaving-aston-villa Arjan Raikhy: Punjabi wonderkid joins former Premier League champions Leicester after leaving Aston Villa Arjan's father Rav Raikhy told Sky Sports News: "We're all so proud to see Arjan sign for Leicester, who are of course former Premier League champions. "It's been a wonderful journey with Aston Villa, and as a family we're grateful to everyone at the club and the amazing Villa fans for all of the support. "Now, it's time for the next chapter. It's a really exciting move for Arjan and it gives kids the chance to dare to dream. The journey continues." 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groby_Blue Posted 17 August 2023 Share Posted 17 August 2023 If his Dad is excited, that's good enough for me. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sussex Fox Posted 17 August 2023 Share Posted 17 August 2023 Anybody know how long his contract is for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryy Posted 17 August 2023 Share Posted 17 August 2023 1 minute ago, Sussex Fox said: Anybody know how long his contract is for? 2 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenTayfour Posted 17 August 2023 Share Posted 17 August 2023 (edited) First teamer ? Edited 17 August 2023 by BenTayfour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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