Vestergaard

[FoxTimmy2]

Thought he was decent to be fair - those accurate passes out from the back are something only Vestergaard does well in our defence.

[st albans fox]

Just now, FoxTimmy2 said:

Thought he was decent to be fair - those accurate passes out from the back are something only Vestergaard does well in our defence.

I think against more dynamic forwards he’ll struggle.  Would be ok in a three where he has plenty of cover 

[Chelmofox]

1 minute ago, st albans fox said:

I think against more dynamic forwards he’ll struggle.  Would be ok in a three where he has plenty of cover 

Against more dynamic forwards all our defence will struggle. Credit where its due, those passes are quality.

[st albans fox]

1 hour ago, Chelmofox said:

Against more dynamic forwards all our defence will struggle. Credit where its due, those passes are quality.

100% he’s our best passer

 

 But he showed today that he’s defensively limited in a two 

Edited 2 November 2024 by st albans fox

[JimJams]

30 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

100% he’s our best passer

 

 But he showed today that he’s defensively limited in a two 

Any more so than we've seen from anyone else in our backline? Faes and Okoli as a partnership have shipped loads too.

[Hirsty The Blue 94]

Made 1 howler in the first half where they missed a good chance at the back stick, but much better with him in the side. Actually played a few passes that broke lines and in the main defended pretty well. Certainly an upgrade on the other centre halves we have. 

[Paninistickers]

Three at the back gotta be realistic for some games 

 

Sit Vesty in front of Fae and Okoli?

[JimJams]

4 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

Three at the back gotta be realistic for some games 

 

Sit Vesty in front of Fae and Okoli?

Given the frailty we seem to be constantly having at fullback, it's got to be a possibility.  The trouble is, in a fight for survival, where do you test it?

[Paninistickers]

4 minutes ago, JimJams said:

Given the frailty we seem to be constantly having at fullback, it's got to be a possibility.  The trouble is, in a fight for survival, where do you test it?

Gotta be a low block game and play on the break 

 

Vesty is actually an 'attacking' selection..since he starts our moves. 

 

On a other note, did anyone see where he was on pitch for the winner? Love it!

 

 

[peterborofox]

Defence looks more controlled especially on the ball with him playing. Ipswich didn't really threaten us with counters which is obviously his downfall. 

 

Should start next game though I think

[HankMarvin]

Play him as a cdm

[StriderHiryu]

2 hours ago, HankMarvin said:

Play him as a cdm

 

He started his career as a CDM but got moved back. His range of passing was on show from early on against Ipswich, leading to the Mavididi goal. I've broken down a nice sequence into two gifs because of the length of the attack. Vestergaard finds long diagonal passes, as well as showing composure and control to dictate the game like a CDM but from the CB position.

 

 

 

 

 

^ This allows us to drag Ipswich from left to right, compact them down one side and then play out and interchange to unleash Vardy and Mavididi.

 

 

 

^ And finally this might not look all that much, but this is Vestergaard at his best. Sitting on the halfway line, controlling the tempo, shifting the opposition block.

 

We did this for the first 12-15 minutes but then made a concious change to start hitting it long from our goalkeeper, I believe because Ipswich won a few balls high up the pitch and Cooper panicked. Too bad, because this is when we looked at our best.

 

 

 

Edited 2 November 2024 by StriderHiryu

[Deeg67]

We just look more composed and dangerous building from the back with Vesty out there. Maybe not the best option when we'll have 30% of the ball but against our rivals in the bottom half, a must-start for me.

[Aus Fox]

4 hours ago, JimJams said:

Given the frailty we seem to be constantly having at fullback, it's got to be a possibility.  The trouble is, in a fight for survival, where do you test it?

At Old Trafford is potentially the best place to try it, we’re not expecting to get anything, but if it comes off they are weak enough that we could steal a point or maybe more. 
 

[goog]

5 hours ago, Paninistickers said:

Gotta be a low block game and play on the break 

 

Vesty is actually an 'attacking' selection..since he starts our moves. 

 

On a other note, did anyone see where he was on pitch for the winner? Love it!

 

 

The winner?

Did I miss something?

[volpeazzurro]

7 hours ago, Hirsty The Blue 94 said:

Made 1 howler in the first half where they missed a good chance at the back stick, but much better with him in the side. Actually played a few passes that broke lines and in the main defended pretty well. Certainly an upgrade on the other centre halves we have. 

I agree and also taking into account that bar International duty, he hasn't played at all and needed to get back into the swing of the Premiership. 

[CrazyKopCorner]

His timing and accuracy of pass is exceptional (accepted that was a real howler 1st half) 

[Jazzy_Jeff]

11 hours ago, Paninistickers said:

Gotta be a low block game and play on the break 

 

Vesty is actually an 'attacking' selection..since he starts our moves. 

 

On a other note, did anyone see where he was on pitch for the winner? Love it!

 

 

Thought the same when watching back, brave decision that paid off!

[BillyFOX12]

He gives us an extra attacking option, which, as we know, we desperately need.

I’ll gladly accept his flaws if it means we have more strings to pull.

[TheUltimateWinner]

Felt more comfortable with him at the back, should keep his place 

[turtmcfly]

1 hour ago, TheUltimateWinner said:

Felt more comfortable with him at the back, should keep his place 

 

On the ball sure, but I can't say I felt comfortable when the ball was coming towards our area

 

I know we've seen in the past his 'running at full pelt' is giraffe in treacle stuff, but 3 or 4 times yesterday he just stood stock still and left an Ipswich player to retrieve a ball in yards of space, when from the original pass it had looked like he could have fairly easily challenged for the ball.

 

Perhaps it's this is his equivalent of a keeper punching instead of catching, whereby he doesn't risk a 'go and miss' but prefers to cede possession but be 'set' to defend. And perhaps like punching instead of catching it will take me some time to get used to it, cos yesterday it freaked me out.

 

 

[Deeg67]

There’s no question we look way better in possession with Vesty on the pitch. He also gives us another option on set pieces, which we’re going to need to keep being efficient on in order to succeed.

 

I still think the best move with him is using him selectively. Against teams where we figure to have a decent amount of the ball, he starts. Against the top six or eight clubs use him as a bench option if we’re (inevitably) trailing late. The notion of using him in a three or as a CDM against those sides is an interesting one but it’d be a big gamble, and there’s no evidence Cooper is inclined to set us up that way.

[volpeazzurro]

On 02/11/2024 at 17:50, st albans fox said:

I think against more dynamic forwards he’ll struggle.  Would be ok in a three where he has plenty of cover 

We've been struggling anyway. 

[OntarioFox]

On 03/11/2024 at 13:40, turtmcfly said:

 

On the ball sure, but I can't say I felt comfortable when the ball was coming towards our area

 

I know we've seen in the past his 'running at full pelt' is giraffe in treacle stuff, but 3 or 4 times yesterday he just stood stock still and left an Ipswich player to retrieve a ball in yards of space, when from the original pass it had looked like he could have fairly easily challenged for the ball.

 

Perhaps it's this is his equivalent of a keeper punching instead of catching, whereby he doesn't risk a 'go and miss' but prefers to cede possession but be 'set' to defend. And perhaps like punching instead of catching it will take me some time to get used to it, cos yesterday it freaked me out.

 

 

I'm not against it per sé, when you have solid defenders who back their own ability you can allow it.

 

Morgan and Huth's league-winning partnership was exactly that - though it helped that they had Simmo rarely venturing forwards, to provide a third body where needed.

 

Vesty is not on that level, but there's definitely method in the madness - set yourself up, win the ball back and use your passing range to start our own attack. Give him a run in the team and I can see our overall play improving if he's allowed to play the quarterback role (i cringed typing that last bit - with apologies to @foxile5).

Edited 5 November 2024 by OntarioFox

[foxile5]

7 hours ago, OntarioFox said:

I'm not against it per sé, when you have solid defenders who back their own ability you can allow it.

 

Morgan and Huth's league-winning partnership was exactly that - though it helped that they had Simmo rarely venturing forwards, to provide a third body where needed.

 

Vesty is not on that level, but there's definitely method in the madness - set yourself up, win the ball back and use your passing range to start our own attack. Give him a run in the team and I can see our overall play improving if he's allowed to play the quarterback role (i cringed typing that last bit - with apologies to @foxile5).

I am so triggered