Daka

[Sol thewall Bamba]

7 minutes ago, Gamble92 said:

Love the idea that if Akinbiyi had the chance to stay pad, he'd add 4 away in Moscow 😂

Maybe not, but he'd probably score the 3 penalties against Stoke and Plymouth at least! 

[Gamble92]

8 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Maybe not, but he'd probably score the 3 penalties against Stoke and Plymouth at least! 

It's far from popular to say but Daka has a much higher ceiling than he's shown here, and I hope for him that he does recapture it somewhere in Europe. 

 

It's clearly not going to happen here. Still think we could have got way more out of him and Nacho in the last championship season. Especially Nacho, who was a disgrace. 

 

If we're comparing all round game potential then it's obvious Daka is better than Akinbiyi ever was. The game has also moved on massively since 2001. Akinbiyi wouldn't even have got that move to us now. 

[HankMarvin]

51 minutes ago, tinpot_fox said:

IF he can play the role well that the manager has for a striker and IF there is a lot of goals from elsewhere, then he could be seen as an asset.

For context, McAteer who is generally panned by most made 13 starts (about 61 mins total game time more) from midfield/wing and one as right back he managed 6 goals all from open play.

 

 

Edited 23 May 2025 by HankMarvin

[Sol thewall Bamba]

19 minutes ago, Gamble92 said:

It's far from popular to say but Daka has a much higher ceiling than he's shown here, and I hope for him that he does recapture it somewhere in Europe. 

 

It's clearly not going to happen here. Still think we could have got way more out of him and Nacho in the last championship season. Especially Nacho, who was a disgrace. 

 

If we're comparing all round game potential then it's obvious Daka is better than Akinbiyi ever was. The game has also moved on massively since 2001. Akinbiyi wouldn't even have got that move to us now. 

What their ceiling is elsewhere has literally no bearing on our situation. If he can't do it here, shift him. The same as the others that have done better elsewhere. 

[Foxmeister]

1 hour ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

 

So their goals to appearance ratio is exactly the same, Daka's goal per minute is better. But Akimbiyi didn't have the chance to stat pad against Moscow, Plymouth, Stoke etc. Going on PL goals only (seeing as Akimbiyi only played in the Prem for us), I'd suspect it would be even tighter. 

 

Nip and tuck for me! 

11 in 58 Akinbiyi and 10 in 71 for Daka, I dare say they’d be similar in terms of minutes, given Daka’s large number of sub appearances, so nip and tuck would be fair I think.

[don_danbury]

28 minutes ago, Gamble92 said:

It's far from popular to say but Daka has a much higher ceiling than he's shown here, and I hope for him that he does recapture it somewhere in Europe. 

 

It's clearly not going to happen here. Still think we could have got way more out of him and Nacho in the last championship season. Especially Nacho, who was a disgrace. 

 

If we're comparing all round game potential then it's obvious Daka is better than Akinbiyi ever was. The game has also moved on massively since 2001. Akinbiyi wouldn't even have got that move to us now. 

We would've signed akinbiyi for 40m and give him 150k a week right now

 

[SouthStandUpperTier]

37 minutes ago, Foxmeister said:

11 in 58 Akinbiyi and 10 in 71 for Daka, I dare say they’d be similar in terms of minutes, given Daka’s large number of sub appearances, so nip and tuck would be fair I think.

Stats for us in PL only;

 

Daka

Games: 75

Starts: 31

Minutes: 3011

Goals: 10

Goals per 90: 0.30

 

Akinbiyi

Games: 58

Starts: 49

Minutes: 4344

Goals: 11

Goals per 90: 0.23

 

Akinbiyi's PL goals per 90 drops to 0.19 if you add in his brief PL stints for Norwich and Sheff U.

 

Edited 23 May 2025 by SouthStandUpperTier

[Finnegan]

On 24/03/2025 at 18:28, Finnegan said:

 

I appreciate there's a level of meme in your post but I'll bite anyway. £5.5m in 2000 is not £9.8m now if we're talking purely in the language of transfer fees. Real world inflation doesn't vaguely match the behaviour of transfer fees over the last twenty years.

 

As for stats, Akinbiyi played 48.3 lots of 90 for us, starting 33 of of the 37 games he played in in his debut season, managing 14 goal contributions (11G, 3A) for a return of 0.29 per game.

 

Daka has played 43.3 lots of 90, never getting more than 15 starts in a season and having to contend with being dropped in and out of the team often (under Rodgers) essentially at random. Despite this he's still managed 29 goal contributions (17G, 12A) for a return of one every 0.67 games.

 

If you want to make it Premier League only, Daka has played 31.2 90s with 10 goals and 7 assists for a combined 17, averaging 0.54 per game.

 

 

We've already done this in this thread. This was FBref as of March.

 

[Richmondfox]

46 minutes ago, Gamble92 said:

It's far from popular to say but Daka has a much higher ceiling than he's shown here, and I hope for him that he does recapture it somewhere in Europe. 

 

It's clearly not going to happen here. Still think we could have got way more out of him and Nacho in the last championship season. Especially Nacho, who was a disgrace. 

 

If we're comparing all round game potential then it's obvious Daka is better than Akinbiyi ever was. The game has also moved on massively since 2001. Akinbiyi wouldn't even have got that move to us now. 

The problem is both of them couldn’t control the ball so it made them useless in Enzo’s set up 

[Finnegan]

Just now, Richmondfox said:

The problem is both of them couldn’t control the ball so it made them useless in Enzo’s set up 

 

I really ****ing loathe comments like this, probably more than anything else. It's the real reason I end up ranting away at strangers on the internet about a footballer I genuinely wouldn't care if we sold.

 

Like I'm not some Patson Daka cultist but this is just straight braindead, what sport are people watching that they come out with this stuff?

Daka's contributions to general, all-round play were great last year when he came in to the side. He probably fit in to Enzo's system better than any of our other strikers and we immediately improved when he started starting, going on something of a rampage for team goals across the board.

 

He dropped in well, he linked up well and he helped stretch the game.

 

He absolutely wasn't perfect and after a strong initial start his finishing became really wayward and absolutely fell off a cliff after the Elland Road game. He was rightfully replaced by Vardy getting back in to the team who is comfortably a better striker than him and always will be, even if Daka was in his prime and Vardy was 75.

 

But this idea that he was "useless" or "didn't work" or didn't fit Enzo's style or anything else? It's just plain ****ing dumb.

 

[00rawat]

13 hours ago, Heskey2011 said:

Someone like Danny Amarty at the back, Patson Daka in attack, pack your bags coz if you don't like it, it's all we've got for now, so shut up, stop moaning and go watch nomads if it's so brilliant, on our way, we're on our way.

Thought  that was a  chant to begin with, someone like Danny  amartey at the back  ,patson daka in attack , coz if don't like it,pack your bags coz that's all we have got!!!🤣🤣🤣

[Heskey2011]

31 minutes ago, 00rawat said:

Thought  that was a  chant to begin with, someone like Danny  amartey at the back  ,patson daka in attack , coz if don't like it,pack your bags coz that's all we have got!!!🤣🤣🤣

That is what I was going for.😂😂😂

[Claridge]

1 hour ago, Richmondfox said:

The problem is both of them couldn’t control the ball so it made them useless in Enzo’s set up 

And both are completely and utterly hopeless, 

[HankMarvin]

45 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

Daka's contributions to general, all-round play were great last year when he came in to the side. He probably fit in to Enzo's system better than any of our other strikers and we immediately improved when he started starting, going on something of a rampage for team goals across the board.

if you're going to highlight a purple patch or his contribution to team goals during a hot streak, then it's only fair to weigh that against the broader picture, especially the six games that followed.
 

Losing four out of six, including three on the bounce for the first time all season, suggests something deeper was lacking than just shot confidence from the missed chance at Leeds.

The claims about his link-up play and movement dragging defenders out of position sound good on paper, but when the results nosedive like that, you have to question the actual impact. Was he really knitting things together or just flattering to deceive?

 

He's always come across as likeable, and every summer there’s that quiet optimism that this might be his year,

but you’d struggle to argue that he’s delivered on that promise. Over the course of multiple seasons, "pretty poor" does start to feel like the fairer summary, no matter how hard people have tried to find the positives

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Finnegan said:

Like I'm not some Patson Daka cultist

[messerschmitt]

1 hour ago, don_danbury said:

We would've signed akinbiyi for 40m and give him 150k a week right now

 

Shhh, don't give Rudkin any ideas!

[The Doctor]

22 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

if you're going to highlight a purple patch or his contribution to team goals during a hot streak, then it's only fair to weigh that against the broader picture, especially the six games that followed.
 

Losing four out of six, including three on the bounce for the first time all season, suggests something deeper was lacking than just shot confidence from the missed chance at Leeds.

 

does it? like, it's a team sport, if one single player is influencing that then they have to be Ali Dia or Danny Ward levels of bad. Daka is an average striker, not shit but not a world beater, a massive confidence player who looks worse than he is because he's spent his career here in the shadows of one of the greatest ever players at this club. He alone did not cause us to lose 4 in 6 any more than the other ten players on the pitch in each of those games did. 

[HankMarvin]

2 hours ago, The Doctor said:

does it? like, it's a team sport, if one single player is influencing that then they have to be Ali Dia or Danny Ward levels of bad. Daka is an average striker, not shit but not a world beater, a massive confidence player who looks worse than he is because he's spent his career here in the shadows of one of the greatest ever players at this club. He alone did not cause us to lose 4 in 6 any more than the other ten players on the pitch in each of those games did. 

Sure, it's a team sport but it’s also a fact that a striker’s goals and overall input tend to have a direct impact on results.
Go six games without your main forward scoring, and naturally, winning becomes a lot more difficult.

 

But maybe it's just a bad coincidence like how, in the six games he started after Watford and failed to score, we lost four including three in a row for the first time all season. And another coincidence, when he was dropped, we won three out of the next four.

And just to top it off, yet another coincidence is that in the player rating threads from those losses, he consistently comes out as either the worst or second worst performer in the starting 11 by those watching.

At some point, patterns like that stop being coincidences and start becoming part of the bigger picture.

Edited 23 May 2025 by HankMarvin

[The Doctor]

1 hour ago, HankMarvin said:

Sure, it's a team sport but it’s also a fact that a striker’s goals and overall input tend to have a direct impact on results.
Go six games without your main forward scoring, and naturally, winning becomes a lot more difficult.

 

But maybe it's just a bad coincidence like how, in the six games he started after Watford and failed to score, we lost four including three in a row for the first time all season. And another coincidence, when he was dropped, we won three out of the next four.

And just to top it off, yet another coincidence is that in the player rating threads from those losses, he consistently comes out as either the worst or second worst performer in the starting 11 by those watching.

At some point, patterns like that stop being coincidences and start becoming part of the bigger picture.

I mean given that in that dodgy run he was dropped and we won 1 of the next three (sunderland, Hull, Brizzle), and that when he then came back into the team we won 2 of the next three he started (Norwich, Brum, Plymouth), it is sounding quite like coinicence yes. Even more so given in that period other strikers were also completely shitting the bed (Nacho and Vardy at Milwall, Vardy at Brizzle). Maybe, just maybe, it being a team game is important here and actually that bad spell was the entire team having a collective stinker.

 

Match ratings on here mean nothing, the average fan is biased as **** and lets be honest, quite a few of our fans hate him for not being Vardy, like they've hated every other striker we've had in the last decade.

 

[filthyfox]

2 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

 they've hated every other striker we've had in the last decade.

 

Because... umm....   they've all been shit?

[nettle]

Surely this guy can't be leading the line for us next year now Vardy has gone he's f**king useless. His first touch is a pass and his second touch is a tackle, and another thing he needs longer studs in his boots because I've never seen a guy fall over so much.

[The Doctor]

4 minutes ago, filthyfox said:

Because... umm....   they've all been shit?

They've not though, they've been bang ****ing average at the start, and unless someone comes in and is genuinely top class and settles immediately, it's been back to old reliable in JV and leave that alternative striker to stagnate. Daka, Nacho, competent but not world beaters. Perez, perfectly servicable striker at PL level shoved out wide because he wasn't immediately better than vardy. The only one who was genuinely bad was Slimani, and that's just because he had a massive attitude problem, his actual ability across europe has been fine for his entire career.

[Clever Fox]

He really needs to go. He's promised a lot but never delivered. You would think with working with one of the best he should have learnt something.

 

He may go somwhere else and score a lot of goals but we need a fresh start regardless. Preferable 2 strikers if we can afford them.

 

Someone like Howard, who is strong in the air and can hold the Ball up. and someone like Lineker, Curry or Dickov. with Finishers instincts.

 

The one thing we have to get right is someone must score goals, otherwise we'll struggle all season.

 

[filthyfox]

19 minutes ago, Clever Fox said:

He really needs to go. He's promised a lot but never delivered. You would think with working with one of the best he should have learnt something.

 

He may go somwhere else and score a lot of goals but we need a fresh start regardless. Preferable 2 strikers if we can afford them.

 

Someone like Howard, who is strong in the air and can hold the Ball up. and someone like Lineker, Curry or Dickov. with Finishers instincts.

 

The one thing we have to get right is someone must score goals, otherwise we'll struggle all season.

 

You forgot Cottee

[HankMarvin]

3 hours ago, The Doctor said:

I mean given that in that dodgy run he was dropped and we won 1 of the next three (sunderland, Hull, Brizzle), and that when he then came back into the team we won 2 of the next three he started (Norwich, Brum, Plymouth), it is sounding quite like coinicence yes. Even more so given in that period other strikers were also completely shitting the bed (Nacho and Vardy at Milwall, Vardy at Brizzle). Maybe, just maybe, it being a team game is important here and actually that bad spell was the entire team having a collective stinker.

 

Match ratings on here mean nothing, the average fan is biased as **** and lets be honest, quite a few of our fans hate him for not being Vardy, like they've hated every other striker we've had in the last decade.

 

If people want to credit him when the team was scoring freely, talking about his movement, stretching defences, creating space then they have to accept the flip side too. When the goals dry up, the losses pile up, and he’s not scoring or contributing meaningfully, that same logic demands accountability.

 

As for strikers shitting the bed they seemed to do ok in his absence with 10 goals in 3 games before the final game of the season after his last game against Plymouth where he got 1.7 in the rating. But that must be from all the fans that don’t like him. Clearly the ones that do forgot to vote 

Edited 23 May 2025 by HankMarvin

[Richmondfox]

9 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

I really ****ing loathe comments like this, probably more than anything else. It's the real reason I end up ranting away at strangers on the internet about a footballer I genuinely wouldn't care if we sold.

 

Like I'm not some Patson Daka cultist but this is just straight braindead, what sport are people watching that they come out with this stuff?

Daka's contributions to general, all-round play were great last year when he came in to the side. He probably fit in to Enzo's system better than any of our other strikers and we immediately improved when he started starting, going on something of a rampage for team goals across the board.

 

He dropped in well, he linked up well and he helped stretch the game.

 

He absolutely wasn't perfect and after a strong initial start his finishing became really wayward and absolutely fell off a cliff after the Elland Road game. He was rightfully replaced by Vardy getting back in to the team who is comfortably a better striker than him and always will be, even if Daka was in his prime and Vardy was 75.

 

But this idea that he was "useless" or "didn't work" or didn't fit Enzo's style or anything else? It's just plain ****ing dumb.

 

You can loathe it all you want I’m fine with you’re opinion, but my eyes and many others haven’t been deceived by watching him play.  He is crap.  Man City, he skinned a player in the box, had no one in front and tripped over the ball.  Useless. He nutmegs himself. 

Edited 23 May 2025 by Richmondfox