Deflated??

[Chrysalis]

9 hours ago, Simonb said:

I was curious to see how well Enzo ball would fair in the Premier league, particularly as I thought it may work better than in the EFL purely because teams won't sit back against us.

 

That being said, with the quality of player and funds at our disposal I wasn't too positive about it, and he is arrogant as hell.  To basically tell fans you can't have an opinion about his style of play, and then to walk out straight after promotion is a bit crap to be honest so I'm glad he's off. I'll wish him well though, not worth wasting time thinking about.

 

Not actually deflated about next season, somewhat beyond caring and thinking more for the season after.

 

Limited funds + any points deduction has left me already accepting relegation. I'd much rather us try to put together a squad of players that are younger, to gain a season of top flight experience that'll be ready for a promotion push the season after, to come back on a level playing field and start over. Use next season to right a few financial wrongs. Don't set a record for the biggest defeat, pick up more than 14 points and it's fine.

 

Opportunity to be ruthless. Anyone that wants out, flog. Don't offer Jannik a contract now Enzos gone.

 

The only thing that would be sad that I could potentially see happening now is Vardy walking. I know he plays for lcfc and not Enzo, but lcfc is in a mess. The blokes done more than enough for us, personally I'd step away now, leave on a high and experience something else 

I am not sure I agree on the first point about Enzo game working better when pressed (those teams tended to make us concede silly goals and our possession % plummeted as we couldnt handle being pressed properly).

 

However I think you have made some good points, particularly about player retention.  I think player negotiations ultimately should now be on hold which is bad news, but considering our financial position, its important the squad we have next season is a best match possible for whoever the manager is.  Under Enzo I feel extending Vestergaard is a no brainer as they mesh together with perfection, now its not.  Also agree on his public attitude, and I kind of felt he was the type of manager to walk after promotion.  I cant explain it, but I had a feeling he would do it, no doubt the lack of financial backing possible, is a factor in it.  Enzo is a manager who needs money and probably wants to rebuild the squad like Rodgers wanted to in his last season.

 

Still hoping we get a pragmatic manager (preferably one with recent EPL experience), as that is the best type of manager for a financially struggling club.

[Royston.]

I dont think Enzo would have made it to Christmas anyway so i'm actually a tiny bit more optimistic however its all up in the air and this is before a poo summer transfer window. 

 

 

 

[Simonb]

2 hours ago, Chrysalis said:

I am not sure I agree on the first point about Enzo game working better when pressed (those teams tended to make us concede silly goals and our possession % plummeted as we couldnt handle being pressed properly).

 

However I think you have made some good points, particularly about player retention.  I think player negotiations ultimately should now be on hold which is bad news, but considering our financial position, its important the squad we have next season is a best match possible for whoever the manager is.  Under Enzo I feel extending Vestergaard is a no brainer as they mesh together with perfection, now its not.  Also agree on his public attitude, and I kind of felt he was the type of manager to walk after promotion.  I cant explain it, but I had a feeling he would do it, no doubt the lack of financial backing possible, is a factor in it.  Enzo is a manager who needs money and probably wants to rebuild the squad like Rodgers wanted to in his last season.

 

Still hoping we get a pragmatic manager (preferably one with recent EPL experience), as that is the best type of manager for a financially struggling club.

I seriously hope we get someone in on the basis that the likelihood is we are going to drop and build a squad for the promotion push the year after.

 

Just bank whatever we can this year, stabilise ourselves and come back fighting and fk the premier league right off in a few years when we break back in to the top ten again

[Out Foxed]

3 hours ago, Chrysalis said:

 

 

Still hoping we get a pragmatic manager (preferably one with recent EPL experience), as that is the best type of manager for a financially struggling club.

wouldn't that mean they'd failed recently?

[Chrysalis]

2 hours ago, Out Foxed said:

wouldn't that mean they'd failed recently?

Not really, there is one obvious candidate who i dont consider a failure.

[5waller5]

Blimey. I was deflated enough when Enzo left, a month later we appoint the easiest, cheapest, laziest, least ambitious option of the obvious candidates.
 

If it had to be Cooper then at least do it a month ago so he can have a months head start on his workload.
 

The club is very badly run, it’s difficult to like atm. 

[Gamble92]

I'm glad Enzo's gone. I like Cooper. I'm as inflated as a bouncy castle on party day.

[davieG]

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/leicester-city-transfer-strategy-budget-9389339

From the Mercs Questions and Answers Edition

 

OPINION

By

Jordan Blackwell

 

Q: At the moment I feel really disillusioned with the club. I think it's the lack of information that's getting to me the most. If we've signed Fatawu, why not tell us? Have we signed the lad from Chelsea or not? When can we expect a new kit? Have we ditched plans to improve the stadium? When can we expect to know about deductions? What is the often mentioned but never detailed 'long term strategy'? The list goes on.

All the club seem to want at the moment is our money (through ST cards and ridiculous match prices). I'm feeling that they no longer want fans, people who care about the club and are invested in its success but ask questions. They just want a load of client reference number holders who pay their cash, clap politely and then go home until the next time.

 

A: I don't think you're alone in feeling that way. And your last point, about the club not wanting any pushback from supporters, instead preferring dispassionate match-goers to pay their money and nothing more, does get to the heart of a problem at a lot of clubs these days. The game is, sadly, a business and clubs are focused on making money where they can. They don't have to engage with fans if that money's coming in.

And with City, they've made themselves look bad with the physical season ticket charge and the matchday prices. It looks like a cash-grab, even though their season tickets are among the cheapest in the Premier League.

With the £25 charge, I get the impression it's as much about security and knowing who is in the stadium as anything else. But I don't think they can frame it as an 'incentive' to go digital when they're charging extra. To be a true incentive, they needed to introduce the push for digital in a season where they were freezing season-ticket prices, so that they could then offer a £25 discount to anybody who chooses to have their season ticket on their phone.

With the matchday prices, I do feel they've hidden how much of a sharp rise it is. I've asked, but so far there's no answer on how many games will be in the new Category C bracket, and so at the lowest price point. It looks like there will still be a handful of matches where the cheapest ticket has gone up £9 on the last Premier League season, from £30 to £39. That's a big jump in two years.

But, they sold out nearly every week last season. The last time they were in the Championship, there were routinely 5,000 empty seats. I suspect the ticket prices will only stop going up when they stop being bought.

As for the lack of communication, that’s how it’s been for a while. That's been a frustration of fans for a long time. On stuff like Fatawu, I think because it's been clear for so long that he's signing, it can seem like the club are being really slow on it. But I do think that's partially because fans are so invested in the day-to-day rumours and tidbits of information. It feels like the updates are incremental and that can exacerbate the feeling of it taking ages. But I suspect at most clubs there is a signing like that, where everybody knows it's happening but it just hasn't been announced yet.

It's the same with kits. As far as I'm aware, at least half the Premier League clubs haven't announced their new strips for the season yet, so I don't think that's too much of a concern.

But yes, I do agree with you, I do think the club could keep fans more in the loop on things. Hopefully with more supporters joining the Foxes Trust, that will give them a stronger voice to ask for greater communication.

[LcFc_Smiv]

30 minutes ago, davieG said:

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/leicester-city-transfer-strategy-budget-9389339

From the Mercs Questions and Answers Edition

 

OPINION

By

Jordan Blackwell

 

Q: At the moment I feel really disillusioned with the club. I think it's the lack of information that's getting to me the most. If we've signed Fatawu, why not tell us? Have we signed the lad from Chelsea or not? When can we expect a new kit? Have we ditched plans to improve the stadium? When can we expect to know about deductions? What is the often mentioned but never detailed 'long term strategy'? The list goes on.

All the club seem to want at the moment is our money (through ST cards and ridiculous match prices). I'm feeling that they no longer want fans, people who care about the club and are invested in its success but ask questions. They just want a load of client reference number holders who pay their cash, clap politely and then go home until the next time.

 

A: I don't think you're alone in feeling that way. And your last point, about the club not wanting any pushback from supporters, instead preferring dispassionate match-goers to pay their money and nothing more, does get to the heart of a problem at a lot of clubs these days. The game is, sadly, a business and clubs are focused on making money where they can. They don't have to engage with fans if that money's coming in.

And with City, they've made themselves look bad with the physical season ticket charge and the matchday prices. It looks like a cash-grab, even though their season tickets are among the cheapest in the Premier League.

With the £25 charge, I get the impression it's as much about security and knowing who is in the stadium as anything else. But I don't think they can frame it as an 'incentive' to go digital when they're charging extra. To be a true incentive, they needed to introduce the push for digital in a season where they were freezing season-ticket prices, so that they could then offer a £25 discount to anybody who chooses to have their season ticket on their phone.

With the matchday prices, I do feel they've hidden how much of a sharp rise it is. I've asked, but so far there's no answer on how many games will be in the new Category C bracket, and so at the lowest price point. It looks like there will still be a handful of matches where the cheapest ticket has gone up £9 on the last Premier League season, from £30 to £39. That's a big jump in two years.

But, they sold out nearly every week last season. The last time they were in the Championship, there were routinely 5,000 empty seats. I suspect the ticket prices will only stop going up when they stop being bought.

As for the lack of communication, that’s how it’s been for a while. That's been a frustration of fans for a long time. On stuff like Fatawu, I think because it's been clear for so long that he's signing, it can seem like the club are being really slow on it. But I do think that's partially because fans are so invested in the day-to-day rumours and tidbits of information. It feels like the updates are incremental and that can exacerbate the feeling of it taking ages. But I suspect at most clubs there is a signing like that, where everybody knows it's happening but it just hasn't been announced yet.

It's the same with kits. As far as I'm aware, at least half the Premier League clubs haven't announced their new strips for the season yet, so I don't think that's too much of a concern.

But yes, I do agree with you, I do think the club could keep fans more in the loop on things. Hopefully with more supporters joining the Foxes Trust, that will give them a stronger voice to ask for greater communication.

Some elements I agree with but the frustration around there being little to no information is a result of the world we live in today. Social media and the immediate access to a forum like this means that rumours or snippets of information are you usually wide of the mark, or suggest things are far more progressed than what they usually are. We’re no different to any club in that regard.

[volpeazzurro]

22 hours ago, LcFc_Smiv said:

Some elements I agree with but the frustration around there being little to no information is a result of the world we live in today. Social media and the immediate access to a forum like this means that rumours or snippets of information are you usually wide of the mark, or suggest things are far more progressed than what they usually are. We’re no different to any club in that regard.

Very true. However, there is a happy medium to be gained and it's not all been about transfers which in fairness, are sometimes kept quiet for sound business reasons.

 

Most businesses however, that are trying to sell a product, spend a lot of money on customer relations in a bid to keep them happy and be assured of their future custom. In our case, I suppose that if the current crop of season ticket holders refused to renew for example, then there's a waiting list to replace them so it's of no concern to them.

 

I must admit to being in the group of people who considered jacking in our season tickets in this year for a number of reasons but particularly the complete shambles behind the scenes for which no-one appears to be accountable. However, after so many decades going you realise that the club remains but owners pass through. We'll give it another year but very usually, we have no spark of real enthusiasm nearing the start of the new season. 

[5waller5]

Eleven weeks have passed since we lost Enzo.

 

I was deflated then, naively it seems I’d been looking forward to signing new Premier League quality players.

 

The club has seriously lost its way. There is no leadership / dynamism / action of any sort any more.

 

We haven’t signed a single player that improves our squad in 11 weeks, and have sold our best player.

 

Deflation is now becoming anger.

[Lako42]

I've given up tbh. 

 

Just don't have the energy. 

 

Football is a business and nothing else, **** the billionaires. 

 

I'll be as passive as everyone else this year 

[Babylon]

1 hour ago, 5waller5 said:

Eleven weeks have passed since we lost Enzo.

 

I was deflated then, naively it seems I’d been looking forward to signing new Premier League quality players.

 

The club has seriously lost its way. There is no leadership / dynamism / action of any sort any more.

 

We haven’t signed a single player that improves our squad in 11 weeks, and have sold our best player.

 

Deflation is now becoming anger.

Was that not always on the cards? We all knew the financial issues and how it could potentially impact us. 

 

A few other people have illuded to it in another thread, which I didn't think was the right place. But certainly our stratergy for signings is a bit all over the place, we'll never know what impact losing Enzo and bringing in Cooper had on that. If he's said he wants people with premier league experience, it obvously changes the dynamic of what we're looking for considerably. Because good premier league experience is expensive. Which is why you end up scratching around old Palace and Fulham players almost past their use by date.

 

Signing players was always going to be difficult with the financials and with points deduction. Trying to convince a top talent with other options to come here will be a hard task. I always felt a better option would be to target people lower down and ask them to make the step up, far more likely to actually get the transfers done. Plus, if you are buying good championship players, it sets you up if we do get relegated, which obviously we're going to be everyones favourites for. 

 

I said it a few weeks ago, we're stuck between wanting to give it a go and staying up, and planning for the next seasons... and we end up doing neither very well. 

 

In terms of deflation, Rodgers broke something in me years ago. I've given up and haven't particualrly cared for ages, even last season was meh. 

Edited 15 August 2024 by Babylon

[ealingfox]

Now 6 years since we had a really good transfer window btw

[SouthStandUpperTier]

I feel as deflated as Phil Mitchell 

 

 

[beastfootballx]

 

2 minutes ago, ealingfox said:

Now 6 years since we had a really good transfer window btw

tbh 2019 was a rlly good one, was the group that got us nearly to cl and won fa cup and community shield

and also got to europa league semi finals

[Babylon]

3 minutes ago, ealingfox said:

Now 6 years since we had a really good transfer window btw

The one we had last summer was ok, the one that got us promoted. Could have done without the money spent on Cannon and Coady with hindsight. 

[RoboFox]

53 minutes ago, 5waller5 said:

Eleven weeks have passed since we lost Enzo.

He's not dead mate, he just went to Chelsea. 

[Old Fox]

This will be 49th season and maybe entitlement has taken me over or maybe it’s just age but I have never had so much apathy towards a new season.

 

i still feel angry at the idiots from two seasons ago and last year was the most painful watch despite the results so I was glad when EM left but the aftermath seems chaotic and frankly confusing.

 

unlike lots of you I believe KP/Top have our interests at heart but some of the decision making and approach seems clueless and even I find myself asking what are the owners doing?

 

also I hate the framework of the prem league as we have suffered for trying to be competitive 4/5 years ago and due to FFP feel like we have our hands tied behind our back.

 

I have been to all the preseason games and wanted so desperately to get behind cooper but the players look lost, disorganised, not overly fit or sharp and no clear plan - I don’t mind he was ex-Forest but I do wonder if they have gone cheap and it might not be very cheerful.

 

anyway the theme was deflated but I feel more disconnected and frustrated than ever yet I watched teams produced by Lee, Pleat, Taylor et al but this has been a really tough preseason. 
 

moan over !!

[5waller5]

38 minutes ago, RoboFox said:

He's not dead mate, he just went to Chelsea. 

Which means he’s dead to me!! 😂

[Pliskin]

To be honest, I think we’re done with King Power….. I think we can see a mega decline on the way. We will do a Bolton and Portsmouth and sink down the football pyramid. I think if we fail this season, it will probably be the start of said decline and there’s more chance of us ending up in league 2 than the premier league again. 
 

If this season goes tits up, I think I’ll call it a day with the ST. Never ever thought I’d see the day, but I’m fast losing interest in the club, they don’t give a shit about the fans, and we’re a complete calamity off and on the pitch. This season is going to be embarrassing, genuinely think Derby’s record is about to be smashed. In fact, I don’t think we will win a game all season…. 
 

The whole club ****ing stinks from top to bottom. 

[BeardyFox]

Not been this disinterested in a new season since last season. 

[FrankieADZ]

8 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

To be honest, I think we’re done with King Power….. I think we can see a mega decline on the way. We will do a Bolton and Portsmouth and sink down the football pyramid. I think if we fail this season, it will probably be the start of said decline and there’s more chance of us ending up in league 2 than the premier league again. 
 

If this season goes tits up, I think I’ll call it a day with the ST. Never ever thought I’d see the day, but I’m fast losing interest in the club, they don’t give a shit about the fans, and we’re a complete calamity off and on the pitch. This season is going to be embarrassing, genuinely think Derby’s record is about to be smashed. In fact, I don’t think we will win a game all season…. 
 

The whole club ****ing stinks from top to bottom. 

i dont think we'll go to derby levels as that team was honestly awful, then again all 3 teams that went up will probably go down again

im with you for most the points tbh(wont give up me ST tho)

like on and off the pitch, the club seems like a shambles, the disconnect between the club and the fans is huge now, the biggest ive ever seen it, 

the playing side looks a shambles too, seems to be taking an age to get a deal done, 

can honestly say the last 2 season we've been in the prem ive not looked forward to them one bit, last year was a fresh start but so looked forward to it and now this season, its meh, like urgh

the club feels like a complete shell to the one that went up in 14/15

Edited 15 August 2024 by FrankieADZ

[5waller5]

56 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Was that not always on the cards? We all knew the financial issues and how it could potentially impact us. 

 

A few other people have illuded to it in another thread, which I didn't think was the right place. But certainly our stratergy for signings is a bit all over the place, we'll never know what impact losing Enzo and bringing in Cooper had on that. If he's said he wants people with premier league experience, it obvously changes the dynamic of what we're looking for considerably. Because good premier league experience is expensive. Which is why you end up scratching around old Palace and Fulham players almost past their use by date.

 

Signing players was always going to be difficult with the financials and with points deduction. Trying to convince a top talent with other options to come here will be a hard task. I always felt a better option would be to target people lower down and ask them to make the step up, far more likely to actually get the transfers done. Plus, if you are buying good championship players, it sets you up if we do get relegated, which obviously we're going to be everyones favourites for. 

 

I said it a few weeks ago, we're stuck between wanting to give it a go and staying up, and planning for the next seasons... and we end up doing neither very well. 

 

In terms of deflation, Rodgers broke something in me years ago. I've given up and haven't particualrly cared for ages, even last season was meh. 

I agree we knew recruitment was going to be a struggle and we might have to utilise loaned / cheap end of career / start of career / out of form players. That’s the nature of LCFC prior to KP really - try and balance a competitive side with some core signings and a few risky ones, whilst trying to bring through some youths / cheap lower league prospects. 
 

Where I would have agreed a few weeks ago, but not now… Is that were caught between giving the PL a good go and not overspending. It now seems like we’ve given up before the season starts. Cooper can rightly question if he’s been backed.

 

I don’t want to turn this into the same debate as we always have (Rudkin), but my feeling is that we’ve just reached the ceiling of the talent in the boardroom. There’s nothing to be excited about because there’s no project / vision / long term leadership. I think the managerial selection clearly shows that, our transfer business illustrates it, and suspect we will see it on the pitch in a few days. 
 

And me too, Rodger’s reign broke something for me as well. To see years of progress destroyed is soul destroying. That may even have affected Top etc and took the wind out of their sails, maybe the apparent Board lethargy is partly down to this?

[5waller5]

1 hour ago, Babylon said:

The one we had last summer was ok, the one that got us promoted. Could have done without the money spent on Cannon and Coady with hindsight. 

Interestingly I thought both those signings were really good ones. Still do think Coady’s leadership / humour / experience will be useful when we’re 10 points adrift at the bottom!