Development/Youth Squads 2024/2025 Thread - U18/U21

[Ric Flair]

2 hours ago, ramadaone said:

The wages other clubs have offered Monga are out of reach for us

Logan Briggs is bang average at best and won't play top level football

Louie Page will be the best of the lot

Riley Carr hasn't signed for us he is just on trial

 

 

 

Hopefully Evans doesn't get pinched too, absolute mustard.

[st albans fox]

2 hours ago, goose2010 said:

Out of reach ?? At 15 how can it be ? 

It’s not at 15

it will be in the summer when he’s 16 

 

arsenal lost one of their best 16 y o talents last summer to Man U who were prepared to pay him a lot more than arsenal.

 

its not always  the big clubs taking from the small ones.  And who are we to judge families who may be struggling to put a meal on the table when their 16 y o kid is offered ridiculous money. (This comment not in reply to you) 

Edited 5 March by st albans fox

[deep blue]

Just now, Lambert09 said:

Well we tried to do that with hamza and choudhury and most people agree that was daft. 
 

We can’t lambast the club for not having a good wage structure then complain when we won’t overpay. 

The problem is that we overpay for rubbish.

[Lambert09]

5 hours ago, filbertway said:

Since when was Hamza ever top class?

 

We overpaid wages to a league one/two player with a good engine

Agent said Barca were sniffing and he got 40k pw off the bat. 
 

if we went back in time and there were the Barca rumours and he left for free, people would have kicked off about that as well 

Edited 6 March by Lambert09

[Ric Flair]

4 hours ago, Lambert09 said:

Agent said Barca were sniffing and he got 40k pw off the bat. 
 

if we went back in time and there were the Barca rumours and he left for free, people would have kicked off about that as well 

The Barca rumours were when he'd not yet broken through in to the 1st team. His big contract was dished out after breaking through under Shakespeare and then Puel.

[st albans fox]

4 hours ago, Lambert09 said:

Agent said Barca were sniffing and he got 40k pw off the bat. 
 

if we went back in time and there were the Barca rumours and he left for free, people would have kicked off about that as well 

 

11 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

The Barca rumours were when he'd not yet broken through in to the 1st team. His big contract was dished out after breaking through under Shakespeare and then Puel.

Go back to that england u21 side 2019 where he was sent off v  France and was in a midfield with madders and foden (with mount on the bench) 

it’s clear which player hasn’t kicked on and there must be reasons why (not just ability cos the kid had plenty of that) 

 

[lanefox]

10 hours ago, filbertway said:

Since when was Hamza ever top class?

 

We overpaid wages to a league one/two player with a good engine

He was scouted by a lot of top clubs when he was 17/18 , pretty sure he was close to going Dortmund at one point (might be mixing him up with someone else)

Edited 6 March by lanefox

[lcfc sheff]

12 hours ago, ramadaone said:

The wages other clubs have offered Monga are out of reach for us

Logan Briggs is bang average at best and won't play top level football

Louie Page will be the best of the lot

Riley Carr hasn't signed for us he is just on trial

 

 

 

Here we go again #ITK

[deep blue]

Just now, ramadaone said:

The wages other clubs have offered Monga are out of reach for us

Logan Briggs is bang average at best and won't play top level football

Louie Page will be the best of the lot

Riley Carr hasn't signed for us he is just on trial

 

 

 

What level of money are you suggesting?

 

Surely it doesn't compare with what we're paying our current pros?

[st albans fox]

14 minutes ago, deep blue said:

What level of money are you suggesting?

 

Surely it doesn't compare with what we're paying our current pros?

I have no idea 

the kid who went from arsenal to Man U was apparently 40k per week ! 
 

I reckon some of these top talents at 16 are able to get 20k/week quite easily.  

[kenny]

17 minutes ago, deep blue said:

What level of money are you suggesting?

 

Surely it doesn't compare with what we're paying our current pros?

If his output at 16 was equivalent to a championship winger then he would sit £20-40kpw in terms of a budget. The problem is the club still sees him as a youth player, so we can't afford to pay him that, if we offered every 15 year old £40k PW rudkin would get hammered even more than he does.

 

Players like Monga regardless of age that looks too good for the U21s must be given time in the first team if the club is to progress. Then his value right now can be assessed against other first teamers and his value will increase if he offers anything.

[RowlattsFox]

If there isn't already, there definitely needs to be some sort of salary cap for under 18s to discourage players, families and probably agents wanting to move at that age. 

 

 

[Ric Flair]

Given we've supposedly paid Coady £70k a week in the Championship for him to make 7 starts, just offer Monga £25k a week basic and £50k an appearance. Blows anything other teams would be willing to match.

 

This is not a gamble, the kid is going right to the top. Generational player.

[honeybradger]

3 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Given we've supposedly paid Coady £70k a week in the Championship for him to make 7 starts, just offer Monga £25k a week basic and £50k an appearance. Blows anything other teams would be willing to match.

 

This is not a gamble, the kid is going right to the top. Generational player.

The club being run terribly is not a good reason for further bad decisions to continue. Giving 25k to a 15 yr old who hasnt played a game for us would make our already terrible wage structure even worse.

[moore_94]

 

[Lesta Legend]

14 hours ago, Lambert09 said:

Well we tried to do that with hamza and choudhury and most people agree that was daft. 
 

We can’t lambast the club for not having a good wage structure then complain when we won’t overpay. 

Hamza is the exact example of a player the club offered ridiculous terms to without seeing any results on the pitch - plenty off it though.

Monga looks the real deal is my point, laying out huge contracts to the likes of Hamza and Vesty is bordering on szhitzo when we're likely offering small terms to good youngsters who'll be assets to the bigger clubs and NO clear path to the team. The club in this regard must do better. 

[Ric Flair]

2 hours ago, honeybradger said:

The club being run terribly is not a good reason for further bad decisions to continue. Giving 25k to a 15 yr old who hasnt played a game for us would make our already terrible wage structure even worse.

OK, look at it another way. How much would you value Monga's potential, i.e how much would we say would be a fair amount to sell him for?

[CosbehFox]

Thing is as Ric says you can probably fetch £5m Monga now and that’s not being silly on the valuation. We are tying up bad players on higher wages with no resale value 

 

That said I'd be reluctant to have a 15 year old kid that you can get in training for one session a week starting or playing for first team. It won't be the case at any team he joins from us. 

Edited 6 March by CosbehFox

[kenny]

4 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

OK, look at it another way. How much would you value Monga's potential, i.e how much would we say would be a fair amount to sell him for?

We should be telling RVN that he needs 2 10 minute cameos in the next games so that his suitability for the first team can be assessed almost as a trial. If he shows that his current level isn't much different to BDCR or Ayew, then he ought to be offered a first team value contract and be in an around the first team squad.

 

If he looks like a 15 year old playing in a mens side and barely touches the ball then offering him big money now becomes difficult.

[slymunn]

2 hours ago, honeybradger said:

The club being run terribly is not a good reason for further bad decisions to continue. Giving 25k to a 15 yr old who hasnt played a game for us would make our already terrible wage structure even worse.

He would more use to us than Danny Ward, who is probably on double that. Same with Nyoni when he left but is around Liverpools first team now. 

[BKLFox]

I get the excitement but he’s 15 and still growing, I believe he’s only a small lad 5ft 2in or something like that, could be hereditary and he’ll always be a small lad or in the coming 4yrs his head won’t know what his legs are doing & it could all got flat for him regardless of where he is.

Not sure chucking money at him will do the trick, can you even chuck that amount at him at 15 anyway & would he end up being another Morrison, I’ve made it?

Delicate times, all the club can do is to continue to nurture whilst advising him on its vision for him, after that it’s all on him and any grima wormtongue that holds his ear.

[Ric Flair]

6 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

I get the excitement but he’s 15 and still growing, I believe he’s only a small lad 5ft 2in or something like that, could be hereditary and he’ll always be a small lad or in the coming 4yrs his head won’t know what his legs are doing & it could all got flat for him regardless of where he is.

Not sure chucking money at him will do the trick, can you even chuck that amount at him at 15 anyway & would he end up being another Morrison, I’ve made it?

Delicate times, all the club can do is to continue to nurture whilst advising him on its vision for him, after that it’s all on him and any grima wormtongue that holds his ear.

The thing is money is being thrown at him. Probably going to be a millionaire at 16. We need to prove to him he'll get very well remunerated here to a similar level in time and that he'll also get first team football and progression more rapidly here than at any of the bigger clubs that are preying.

 

The issue is in the past that has not been the case, Nyoni's probably had morw 1st team football at Liverpool than wed have given him and we need to be honest as well as sorting out what should be our priority.

[filbertway]

20 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

I get the excitement but he’s 15 and still growing, I believe he’s only a small lad 5ft 2in or something like that, could be hereditary and he’ll always be a small lad or in the coming 4yrs his head won’t know what his legs are doing & it could all got flat for him regardless of where he is.

Not sure chucking money at him will do the trick, can you even chuck that amount at him at 15 anyway & would he end up being another Morrison, I’ve made it?

Delicate times, all the club can do is to continue to nurture whilst advising him on its vision for him, after that it’s all on him and any grima wormtongue that holds his ear.

 

Burton must have one of the smallest teams going if this lads only 5'2 

[indierich06]

15 hours ago, worthosoriginals said:

Thanks for your input ruud. Keep playing this team then that's lost 11 from 12 games, forget trying any talented kids in case it gets windy.

I heard there's a kid in the under 8's that got a double hattrick the other day, may as well sling him on too

[Blodge96]

15 minutes ago, filbertway said:

 

Burton must have one of the smallest teams going if this lads only 5'2 

Looks incredibly comfortable here. Yes it wouldn't be their strongest 11, but if he's good enough, age is irrelevant. And he is definitely good enough. This kid is going to be a world beater. We simply have to be doing everything we can to keep him