Cooper - OUT

[sylofox]

1 hour ago, howlinmadmurfdoc said:

 2016 ruined us as a fan base. 

This is the most ridiculous comment commonly made on here and used to try and make a point.

 

Obviously no one ever moaned about a manager prior 15/16. This place is littered with it. Just like Filbert St was when McClintock and Pleat were here.

 

Stop making up and using total untruths to make your point. 

 

Every club in every league has fans that moan when shits going wrong. Ffs look at the pelters Danny Simpson got in 15/16.

 

But hey ho it only ever started after that season.

 

If you have to use made up bollox be original and make something up yourself.

 

 

[MGLCFC]

On 20/10/2024 at 09:28, Claridge said:

Strange that with a new manager, new players and being a promoted club in the prem

I think it is the almost bipolar aspects of each half that I struggle with. We are genuinely very poor in one half and half decent in the other. There never seems to be any consistency in our performances. I do understand your points, but sometimes it's like watching two different teams from one half to the next.

Edited 21 October 2024 by MGLCFC

[MGLCFC]

What I found difficult with Enzo on occasions was his inflexible approach, believing that his system would win the day. It didn't always in the Championship and would have done less so in the Prem. I'd like to see Cooper adopt Enzo's style in some games, playing Ricardo as an inverted full back and Justin at Left back as well as 2 wingers. I accept a more defensive low block system is needed when playing against better opposition, a system that worked well for several teams who played against us last season. Perhaps a cautious start to the season was wise, but I'm still struggling to understand what his preferred system is. It's like he goes into most games and gets it wrong or makes changes when we are on top that turn the game around in favour of the opposition (bar yesterday). One positive, the players do seem up for the fight at the moment.

[jim5000]

Quite apart from the performances, he’s not very pretty to look at and continually sweats from his face when interviewed.

 

I would like a more handsome manager, someone moulded like Ricardo.

[jim5000]

Any manager that plays Ndidi in the 10 role needs firing imo

[ithuriel]

Much as I think he is not all that, he has got some points on the board now, is it some kind of voodoo black magic he is working because he certainly looks like he could be in a Hammer production as an assistant to Peter Cushing, well, who cares so long as we keep getting points on the board.

[Dahnsouff]

He doesn’t have to play Enzo style, but he does need to find a solution to the RB isolation.

[Foxaholic ME]

6 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

Saying the right thing to satisfy and connect with the fans has never been Cooper’s problem. 

 

His problem is following up on his words. 

 

It's one thing to imply we shouldn't be in a relegation scrap but if you then go and set your team up every week to be passive, defensive and cowardly against even the worst teams in the competition then it doesn't mean much. 

I do not think comments on here reflect opinion of the fan base at large . We have been in   every game and although it would take a great deal of imagination could be unbeaten   Finnegan omits to say only 3 teams  have scored in every league game todate there must be    17 defensive  others. 1  agree  we  tend to only play reasonablly well  one half  but you can say the glass is half full or half empty  Many  teams are guilty of this  Spurs  being typical   Like many I was not enamoured by last year  and should have appreciated it more but look at the plaudits Chelsea are getting. The best answer to the critics on here are the first  8 games of Martin ONEILL   I wonder  how many are the same. I can go back  too far for comfort  and apart from Matt Gillies and Jock Wallace  and Frank OFarrell   cant recall any others who  didnt  receive fierce crtiticism

[Gubbins]

On 20/10/2024 at 12:14, Micky said:

And this is where people are deluded. We are not the team we once were. We are a bottom end Premier league team and there will be plenty of games where we are hanging on this season. We were never going to come into this league and dominate teams. The fact that we have been in every game this season is huge credit to Cooper. 

I agree there's plenty of similarities between now and when we were in the prem under pearson. That side had no real defined way of playing and relied a lot on grinding out points and staying in games.  Pearson though was given all the leeway in the world on here by many regardless of how poor we were for most of that season whilst Cooper has been up against it from game one.

On 20/10/2024 at 12:31, Nalis said:

I don't see the value in sacking him now but he's not the long term solution. 

 

If we getting results from this lucky general then so be it

No he's not the long term solution but frankly long term in management terms nowadays probably amounts to 3 seasons so hel probably be gone one way or another by 2026.

[Dahnsouff]

1 hour ago, jim5000 said:

Quite apart from the performances, he’s not very pretty to look at and continually sweats from his face when interviewed.

 

I would like a more handsome manager, someone moulded like Ricardo.

 

1 hour ago, jim5000 said:

Any manager that plays Ndidi in the 10 role needs firing imo

You aren’t catching much with that bait  

[Rigga]

Plenty that don’t  seem to have taken to Cooper..

we are always in games though and are scoring goals..

under Rodgers…, games would just fade away..similar under Maresca..

We seem to give everything right to the end this season..

Id have taken our league position so far…

 

[KP Fox]

1 hour ago, Dahnsouff said:

He doesn’t have to play Enzo style, but he does need to find a solution to the RB isolation.

He might have stumbled into a solution with 3 at the back. 

[Beachyboy]

4 hours ago, MGLCFC said:

What I found difficult with Enzo on occasions was his inflexible approach, believing that his system would win the day. It didn't always in the Championship and would have done less so in the Prem. I'd like to see Cooper adopt Enzo's style in some games, playing Ricardo as an inverted full back and Justin at Left back as well as 2 wingers. I accept a more defensive low block system is needed when playing against better opposition, a system that worked well for several teams who played against us last season. Perhaps a cautious start to the season was wise, but I'm still struggling to understand what his preferred system is. It's like he goes into most games and gets it wrong or makes changes when we are on top that turn the game around in favour of the opposition (bar yesterday). One positive, the players do seem up for the fight at the moment.

It was like watching Leicester against Millwall or Plymouth last season that last 30 minutes against Liverpool yesterday, so unlikely to score and still kept doing the same things over and over.

[sylofox]

13 minutes ago, Beachyboy said:

It was like watching Leicester against Millwall or Plymouth last season that last 30 minutes against Liverpool yesterday, so unlikely to score and still kept doing the same things over and over.

That's why some of us had problems with him. Not saying  he's not a great manager. But he's not quality either. Top managers know when to change things. Alter what you're doing to make a difference. Not keep banging your head against the brick wall.

[Beachyboy]

34 minutes ago, sylofox said:

That's why some of us had problems with him. Not saying  he's not a great manager. But he's not quality either. Top managers know when to change things. Alter what you're doing to make a difference. Not keep banging your head against the brick wall.

I just looked up possession stats notice we are 4th bottom, forest are 2nd bottom. I then noticed a stat touches in the defensive third interest to see Chelsea are 3rd highest and we are 4th, I'd say that speaks volumes.

[Claridge]

16 hours ago, jim5000 said:

Any manager that plays Ndidi in the 10 role needs firing imo

Saka,Palmer and Salah are the top 3 for assists in the league this season. Wonder who is 4th

[Happy Fox]

He's not a bad manager!, but imo, we can do significantly better and you would hope he's only a short term appointment, get us to the safety, and then cheerio.

[Foxmeister]

17 hours ago, sylofox said:

This is the most ridiculous comment commonly made on here and used to try and make a point.

 

Obviously no one ever moaned about a manager prior 15/16. This place is littered with it. Just like Filbert St was when McClintock and Pleat were here.

 

Stop making up and using total untruths to make your point. 

 

Every club in every league has fans that moan when shits going wrong. Ffs look at the pelters Danny Simpson got in 15/16.

 

But hey ho it only ever started after that season.

 

If you have to use made up bollox be original and make something up yourself.

 

 

I'd say it's a fair point, we've always had a moan but levels of entitlement rocketed from that season onwards.

[daddylonglegs]

Is anyone else's head falling off at the way fans of other clubs are talking about the situation?

 

[Tommy G]

17 hours ago, jim5000 said:

Any manager that plays Ndidi in the 10 role needs firing imo

What a bandwagon comment - his stats this season have been up there in terms of assists, MOTM performances etc. Enzo played him in the same role. You should hammer him for not playing Ricardo or Fatawu - least that has some basis 

[Muzzy_no7]

42 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

What a bandwagon comment - his stats this season have been up there in terms of assists, MOTM performances etc. Enzo played him in the same role. You should hammer him for not playing Ricardo or Fatawu - least that has some basis 

I knowwww naaaathing 

[Tommy G]

17 minutes ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

I knowwww naaaathing 

I’ve mentioned Ndidis assist record once and I think I got away with it!

 

who won the bloody war anyway 

[Graceroad]

23 hours ago, trooky said:

He was sacked because of poor performance = failure.

 

Cooper's premier league record including us:- 63 games, 14 wins, 19 draws and 30 losses. 67 goals scored with 112 conceded.

 

0.96 pts per game equals relegation battle every year.

 

Not good enough for Forest, he definitely isn't good enough for us.

By that logic Claudio  was a failure then

[Aleksz]

 

[sylofox]

2 hours ago, Foxmeister said:

I'd say it's a fair point, we've always had a moan but levels of entitlement rocketed from that season onwards.

I don’t se entitlement. I see people complaining about things they think are wrong. It's called opinions and why the forum is here. None of us truly believe we should be in Europe every season or think the title should be ours.

 

Expectations may have risen. But why should we be happy to just finish 17th. People will be pi55ed when 2 of our best players last season can't get on the pitch when the players in those positions are poor.

 

It's no different than before 2016. Search the Middlesbrough away thread 13/14. Pearson getting slated for picking Vardy n Drinky. It's always been here just some want to blame our title win for it. Anyone would think they would have preferred us not to win that title.