Premier League 2024/25

[jammie82uk]

5 minutes ago, The_77 said:

Well, looks like thread will be useless for a few seasons…

We will still have the thread it will just have a new home here 

 

https://www.foxestalk.co.uk/forum/11-general-football-and-sport/

[Lako42]

1 hour ago, Super_horns said:

Trouble at West Ham with players speaking out ?

 

https://x.com/WestHam_Central/status/1913662460143296629

 

https://x.com/WestHam_Central/status/1913646211191484513

And where are our players? 

 

 

Just accepting and dismissing the absolute shit that we put out

 

 

Vesty and Faes not even taking it seriously. 

 

And Vardy....... Where is Mr Leicester City other than just silently endorsing this absolute shitfest

[CrispinLA in Texas]

2 minutes ago, Lako42 said:

And where are our players? 

 

 

Just accepting and dismissing the absolute shit that we put out

 

 

Vesty and Faes not even taking it seriously. 

 

And Vardy....... Where is Mr Leicester City other than just silently endorsing this absolute shitfest

Maybe because all our old guard are sh*t, so they really can't sh*t on themselves. 

Bowen is angry because he's the only one that puts the most effort in for West Ham whenever I see his team on TV

[fox_favourite]

It seems to me that fans in general are turning. This season, I've never known so many angry fan bases, but in most parts, understandable. Spurs, Man Utd, West ham, Chelsea, Man City and of course us.

 

Wolves were, but as their fortune turned, they went quiet like @The Bear turned into a build a bear rather than a grizzly one . Brighton have had their grumbles as well. Everton, before Moyes came in is another.  

 

It's interesting that i think clubs have pushed fan bases and taking them for granted for too long and something has snapped. It's reached it's tripping point, money, dodgy sponsors, dodgy dealings is all been an issue. 

 

Is it a coincidence that all this is falling apart at the time PSR are being enforced? I do wonder. 

 

 

Edited 19 April by fox_favourite

[ajthefox]

1 hour ago, kenny said:

Cash in at £60m after the FA cup and moan about how our best players get poached for rock bottom fees.

Not a chance anyone was ever paying that for him. The only clubs that could afford him at anything around or above what we paid for him didn't really want him.

[justfoxes]

Have you heard about the New Tottenham Hotspur Bra  it has a lot of support but NO cups !!😉

[kenny]

10 minutes ago, ajthefox said:

Not a chance anyone was ever paying that for him. The only clubs that could afford him at anything around or above what we paid for him didn't really want him.

His stock was high and we would have got that easily. It's forgotten that he was highly regarded around Europe long before he arrived at the KP.

[Bilo]

Hadn't Tielemans been touted as a wonderkid since he first broke into the team at Anderlecht? I seem to remember it being quite a coup when he first came to us on loan from Monaco.

[Eskay]

Makes me sick to watch Villa v Newcastle on MOTD and them talking about how crucial the match is for their Champions League ambitions. Both teams have invested so well and have such strong depth. 

 

It was only a short while ago when we were turning both of these teams over. They invested in real talent whilst we gave multi year contracts to Vesty, BDCR and Awey!!!! 

[ajthefox]

5 minutes ago, kenny said:

His stock was high and we would have got that easily. It's forgotten that he was highly regarded around Europe long before he arrived at the KP.

We'll never know so it's all moot really, but I don't recall us ever fielding any bids for him. 

 

If memory serves there was some interest from Arsenal but never a formal bid, and as far as I recall none of the big six showed much interest when he was a free agent either.

 

Granted his stock had fallen by that point but I'm not sure on what basis you think we'd have gotten £60m for him. 

[kenny]

13 minutes ago, ajthefox said:

We'll never know so it's all moot really, but I don't recall us ever fielding any bids for him. 

 

If memory serves there was some interest from Arsenal but never a formal bid, and as far as I recall none of the big six showed much interest when he was a free agent either.

 

Granted his stock had fallen by that point but I'm not sure on what basis you think we'd have gotten £60m for him. 

The last 2 years of his contract he was a shadow of himself and stock dropped massively.

 

When we won the cup, him and Madison were easily £60m sales had we wanted to, particularly as Newcastle were desperate to chuck money around. 

 

I don't remember any concrete bids either, but these days how often do clubs get concrete public bids that are rejected and the bidding clubs walk away. It's all conjecture and media hype until the transfer is done.

[fox_up_north]

Lots of unknowns, really. We'll never know but the likelihood would have been that we would have got something decent for them.

 

It being spent wisely would have been another matter entirely. 

[Dan]

1 hour ago, Eskay said:

Makes me sick to watch Villa v Newcastle on MOTD and them talking about how crucial the match is for their Champions League ambitions. Both teams have invested so well and have such strong depth. 

 

It was only a short while ago when we were turning both of these teams over. They invested in real talent whilst we gave multi year contracts to Vesty, BDCR and Awey!!!! 

Two teams we were odds on to win away at less than four years ago.

[Claudio Fannieri]

What last nights game showed is two teams who have recruited remarkably well but are also so well coached, but not over coached, both teams play really good football but also play with a real intensity and willingness to get the ball forward and damage teams on transitions. 
 

This is 100% the way forward, some of the one/two touch pass and move was exquisite and so much more entertaining and effective than retaining/controlling possession for possession sakes which is the route we have adopted since Puel was asked to come in and change our style. 

Edited 20 April by Claudio Fannieri

[foxfanazer]

9 hours ago, Bilo said:

Hadn't Tielemans been touted as a wonderkid since he first broke into the team at Anderlecht? I seem to remember it being quite a coup when he first came to us on loan from Monaco.

He was captain at 16 or something stupid like that. They had a proper decent side at that point

[Bilo]

1 hour ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

What last nights came showed is two teams who have recruited remarkably well but are also so well coached, but not over coached, both teams play really good football but also play with a real intensity and willingness to get the ball forward and damage teams on transitions. 
 

This is 100% the way forward, some of the one/two touch pass and move was exquisite and so much more entertaining and effective than retaining/controlling possession for possession sakes which is the route we have adopted since Puel was asked to come in and change our style. 

Yep. Appointing Russell Martin would just be more of the same mistake.

 

And I don't think anyone could look at Newcastle or Villa and think they play unattractive or caveman football as I'm sure the Guardiola fanboys would accuse us of if we appointed a manager instilling direct football. 

[theessexfox]

10 hours ago, kenny said:

The last 2 years of his contract he was a shadow of himself and stock dropped massively.

 

When we won the cup, him and Madison were easily £60m sales had we wanted to, particularly as Newcastle were desperate to chuck money around. 

 

I don't remember any concrete bids either, but these days how often do clubs get concrete public bids that are rejected and the bidding clubs walk away. It's all conjecture and media hype until the transfer is done.

I genuinely don’t think there was a market for him in 2021 that would have been a good valuation. There were 4 signings north of £45m in the whole PL that window (Grealish, Lukaku, Sancho, Ben White), and the overall spending was heavily down on 2019 and subsequent years. Newcastle made one permanent signing and were still owned by Mike Ashley. I think we were potentially quite unlucky on timing - that was the first summer we hadn’t made a relatively large outgoing (Kante 2016, Drinkwater 2017, Mahrez 2018, Maguire 2019, Chilwell 2020), and I imagine Tielemans was the one who had been earmarked. 

[LCFCJohn]

6 minutes ago, Bilo said:

Yep. Appointing Russell Martin would just be more of the same mistake.

 

And I don't think anyone could look at Newcastle or Villa and think they play unattractive or caveman football as I'm sure the Guardiola fanboys would accuse us of if we appointed a manager instilling direct football. 

This is why those worshipping Maresca, saying it is his way or Pulis-ball are completely clueless.

 

There is a world of ways of playing between this. Newcastle and Villa are examples of this. Yes they have spent obscene amounts but it’s more sustainable with a lower budget than trying to be Man City-lite with inferior players.

 

And you’re telling me that playing in a way that Newcastle and Villa do would stop us breaking down teams who come for a point either.

[Claudio Fannieri]

2 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

This is why those worshipping Maresca, saying it is his way or Pulis-ball are completely clueless.

 

There is a world of ways of playing between this. Newcastle and Villa are examples of this. Yes they have spent obscene amounts but it’s more sustainable with a lower budget than trying to be Man City-lite with inferior players.

 

And you’re telling me that playing in a way that Newcastle and Villa do would stop us breaking down teams who come for a point either.

Completely agree, the speed and intensity with which both teams play is exactly the way to beat teams who park the bus. What is frustrating is that was how we were playing for the 1st 18 months under Rodgers and we were flying, then all of sudden after a couple of heavy defeats against Liverpool and Man City over Christmas and New Year we then went back into our shell and never looked quite the same team. 

[StanSP]

10 hours ago, Bilo said:

Hadn't Tielemans been touted as a wonderkid since he first broke into the team at Anderlecht? I seem to remember it being quite a coup when he first came to us on loan from Monaco.

Yep, and playing in the CL from 16y/o and scoring bangers on the way. 

[coolhandfox]

1 hour ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

What last nights game showed is two teams who have recruited remarkably well but are also so well coached, but not over coached, both teams play really good football but also play with a real intensity and willingness to get the ball forward and damage teams on transitions. 
 

This is 100% the way forward, some of the one/two touch pass and move was exquisite and so much more entertaining and effective than retaining/controlling possession for possession sakes which is the route we have adopted since Puel was asked to come in and change our style. 

I agree, however I'd say it very similar to how we played under Rodgers for most of his time here, especially in his first 18 months.

[Plastik Man]

20 minutes ago, theessexfox said:

I genuinely don’t think there was a market for him in 2021 that would have been a good valuation. There were 4 signings north of £45m in the whole PL that window (Grealish, Lukaku, Sancho, Ben White), and the overall spending was heavily down on 2019 and subsequent years. Newcastle made one permanent signing and were still owned by Mike Ashley. I think we were potentially quite unlucky on timing - that was the first summer we hadn’t made a relatively large outgoing (Kante 2016, Drinkwater 2017, Mahrez 2018, Maguire 2019, Chilwell 2020), and I imagine Tielemans was the one who had been earmarked. 

We should have sold Tielemans in 2021 and I think we were prepared to. 

 

I'm not sure what the club's valuation of him was but it's true there wasn't much of a market. In Europe hardly any teams had much cash in the post Covid recovery.  That really didn't help. 

 

Not all the club's fault, but in hindsight with his form crashing and eventually leaving on a free, whether we could've sold him for a slightly lower fee than we were asking for in 2021 might've help fund a rebuild. Though by 2021 our recruitment was also turning to shit!

[Bilo]

25 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

Completely agree, the speed and intensity with which both teams play is exactly the way to beat teams who park the bus. What is frustrating is that was how we were playing for the 1st 18 months under Rodgers and we were flying, then all of sudden after a couple of heavy defeats against Liverpool and Man City over Christmas and New Year we then went back into our shell and never looked quite the same team. 

 

12 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

I agree, however I'd say it very similar to how we played under Rodgers for most of his time here, especially in his first 18 months.

The way we played under Rodgers for his first 18 months was absolutely sumptuous. I think the only reason we were never truly (sustainably, not over half a season) in title races back then was because we were up against a duopoly who regularly amassed over 90 points. 

Edited 20 April by Bilo

[coolhandfox]

2 minutes ago, Bilo said:

 

The way we played under Rodgers for his first 18 months was absolutely sumptuous. I think the only reason we were never truly (sustainably, not over half a season) in title races back then was because we were up against a duopoly who regularly amassed over 90 points. 

I think we were a Mahrez type player sort of being really up there, and a bit of sqaud depth.

 

 

[Bilo]

22 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

I think we were a Mahrez type player sort of being really up there, and a bit of sqaud depth.

 

 

I still don't think we'd have been in title races, but I do think we'd have qualified for the UCL at least once more with all the money that would have brought with it.