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Ruud van Nistelrooy - New Manager - Official

By moore_94, in Leicester City Forum

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adejo92

adejo92

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9 hours ago, coolhandfox said:

In the great escape season we won 7 of the last 9 and winning 4 in the pervious 29.

 

I just think being so defeatist when you are two points from safety is a little odd.

If we were losing games through bad luck, I'd agree.

 

We just don't look very good. There's got to be huge improvements.

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coolhandfox

coolhandfox

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5 minutes ago, adejo92 said:

If we were losing games through bad luck, I'd agree.

 

But we look absolute dross.

Difficult when you have Hermansen, Ndidi, Fatawu, Ricardo unavailable probably 4 of out best players, add to that Winks for a lot of games.

 

Get Hermansen and Ndidi back and a couple of good additions things can look very different.

 

We aren't good enough to have half a team missing.

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adejo92

adejo92

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34 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Difficult when you have Hermansen, Ndidi, Fatawu, Ricardo unavailable probably 4 of out best players, add to that Winks for a lot of games.

 

Get Hermansen and Ndidi back and a couple of good additions things can look very different.

 

We aren't good enough to have half a team missing.

No, i completely agree with you there mate.

 

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inckley fox

inckley fox

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20 hours ago, The Doctor said:

I think you've somewhat missed the point. Which ever way you slice it, half the squad from that game have since left, and if you look at Cooper's last game in charge, 10 of the match day squad for that game have joined/broken into the first team since then. You would reasonably expect a new manager to watch recent games to get an idea of the squad they're inheriting. At this time of year they may even watch a few from the previous season. Going back 18 months to 2 years to watch games is not a reasonable expectation by any stretch of the imagination 

I agree with pretty much everything you say here. I also made the point that you couldn't expect a manager's personal knowledge to extend, with regard to Ward, to fan reactions the season before last. You'd expect someone in the club to remember and deem it important, but I wouldn't demand that from the manager himself.

 

My only caveat is that I think the squads are more similar than those individual fixtures imply. Yes, in one game there were only four starters from our current squad. But in others there were more, and plenty of squads from that season contained 10 or so members of squads from this season: Ward, Iversen, Justin, Ricardo, Kristiansen, Thomas, Faes, Ndidi, Soumare, Daka and Vardy - 6 or 7 of which were important members of both squads. And we also had Hamza out on loan and Vestergard in the reserves. So it's not exactly been a thorough overhaul!

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Claudio Fannieri

Claudio Fannieri

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12 minutes ago, inckley fox said:

I agree with pretty much everything you say here. I also made the point that you couldn't expect a manager's personal knowledge to extend, with regard to Ward, to fan reactions the season before last. You'd expect someone in the club to remember and deem it important, but I wouldn't demand that from the manager himself.

 

My only caveat is that I think the squads are more similar than those individual fixtures imply. Yes, in one game there were only four starters from our current squad. But in others there were more, and plenty of squads from that season contained 10 or so members of squads from this season: Ward, Iversen, Justin, Ricardo, Kristiansen, Thomas, Faes, Ndidi, Soumare, Daka and Vardy - 6 or 7 of which were important members of both squads. And we also had Hamza out on loan and Vestergard in the reserves. So it's not exactly been a thorough overhaul!

Completely agree and is it the managers fault that he has players still in the squad that were deemed not good enough 2 years ago and couldn’t get much game time in the championship, surely those players should have been moved on. 
 

FWIW not sure what Ruud could have done differently, Mads injury was a massive body blow, Stolrcyrk had just come back from a lengthy injury lay off and looked like he was still far from 100% in both games against Liverpool and Man City, so he was left with Danny Ward who had least had game time  this season in the Carabao Cup and for Wales in international football, whilst Iversen has barely had a kick or save since pre season, his options were dog muck whichever way he went, I imagine his decision to select Ward for the Wolves games was based around not wanting to risk Jakub getting injured long term. 
 

it’s not his fault that after Jakub our other keeper choices are a Welsh international goalkeeper who is allergic to saving a football and a back up Danish keeper who checked out last season and has been at the club for the last god knows how many years and despite us playing out from the back since he pretty much joined, his ability with his feet is absolutely horrific. Those issues are on the club. 

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inckley fox

inckley fox

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22 hours ago, daddylonglegs said:

It's definitely not unusual to have absences, you're right. The absences we have *all* being our best players is an absolute sickener. I could deal with our 7 injuries if maybe one or two were starters & the rest were squad players, but thats simply not the case. We've got about 7 players that are of PL quality and they've all either been injured or are out for the season. 

 

Ricardo played about 40 games last year. He wasn't a starter in the two years previous to that cos a scouse yob broke his leg & then Bilbo rushed him back. If we had him at RB all year instead of Justin we wouldn't be in the bottom three.

 

Fatawu an absolute killer of a miss. That's our entire right flank wiped out by injury. Replaced by Justin (an absolute shadow of his former self) and regularly McAteer (A league one/championship footballer at best). 


Then the midfield, Ndidi is absolutely part of our 1st XI under a competent manager in the PL. Your comment regarding Soumare/Bilal/Buenonotte is recency bias after good outings against Liverpool & City. Winks also injured for crucial matches against West Ham, Brighton & Wolves. 

 

Hermansen is going to miss 10-15% of the season in which time we're playing the two teams we're competing against to survive in Wolves & Everton. 

 

Re your point as to how it adds up to 1/3 of the team missing... Hermansen, Ricardo, Fatawu, Ndidi all unavailable. 

 

Again, I'm not sure you're characterising the nature of these injuries accurately.

 

Most players in most squads pick up some sort of injury over the course of a season. The Winks injury and (hopefully) the Hermansen one are the norm rather than the exception for players.

 

Ricardo wasn't first choice under Cooper, and had been in and out of the side even when fit under our previous PL managers. He may have played 40 games at a lower level, in a custom-made role in a system which many thought would see us too exposed at this level, but you also have to look at how these players were doing in recent years at the highest level. That kind of analysis certainly doesn't suggest him to be our great lost saviour, as much as I'm a huge fan myself.

 

Fatawu had been in and out of the team this year, and it was only in the Southampton game (unless I'm mistaken) that he truly stepped up. I believe he has a lot of potential that we hadn't yet seen on a consistent basis at this level, but it's a stretch to even call him an established first teamer this season. Ndidi, who has picked up a medium-term injury every year since - what, 2019? - was indeed a first teamer, but I'm not convinced he'd displace Winks, Soumare or the chap (be it Facundo or Bilal) ahead of them in the centre at the moment.

 

So yes, we probably only have seven players, maybe less, who are PL quality. We have been hit badly with our right flank options. We miss and have missed Hermansen and Winks badly, and we've lost another established starter in Ndidi, once again. But we don't have an exceptional number of injuries overall, and I don't think we can categorise those to Ricardo or Fatawu as having deprived us of nailed-on PL quality starters.

 

In truth, we have a normal number of injuries, with a medium-term one to a regular starter (Ndidi), troublesome shorter terms ones to Hermansen and, previously, Winks. And then we have a long-term injury to two players who hadn't really established themselves in the starting line-up, in Ricardo and Fatawu.

 

It's not all that severe, on paper at least.

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Matt

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Sick of managers 'proving points' here.

 

We do need a rebuild and strengthening but they know what's available, they know how our club operates - and if they don't that's on the manager showing they've not done due diligence before accepting the job.

 

Work with what you've got, get the best out of what you've got, to best of your ability.

 

If you're not willing to do that don't take the job in the first place, or leave.

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Cropwellfox

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What is a disgrace is that given how clearly inept our defenders all are, the club hasn’t seen fit to do any business early in the window. If RVN involved in that decision then yep he deserves everything he gets. If not then the club is in a **** load of trouble. 

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Buzzell

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I’m backing him but leaving out Buonanotte, when we looked dangerous going forward for once with him, Mavididi and Bilal against Man City, is criminal. 

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Number 6

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Not sure what the point of a new manager would be given everyone slates them so quickly. Cooper barely got a chance to breathe before he was slated and Ruud is getting the same short thrift.

 

7 games which has included Villa, Newcastle, Liverpool, Man City, plus injuries to key personnel. Give the guy a chance.

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