Ruud van Nistelrooy - New Manager - Official

[Jazzy_Jeff]

I can accept managers getting things wrong but what I can’t accept are managers unwilling to change when things aren’t working.

 

Our defence has been all over the gaff since he’s come in but not considered a back three or an extra body in middle of the park.

 

We’re not scoring or creating yet persists with a front 3 with a combined age of 103 when there is Daka, Buonanotte and Mavididi available. Percy even said that Eduoard is training well and available - how are we going to know if he’s going to make a difference if not even on the bench?! 
 

Youth players that aren’t trusted, no game plan/tactics and as soon as our opponents get any control of the game we retreat and let them bend us over. 
 

This is all the work of a high-level ex pro who has assisted and managed at some big clubs and a national side. 
 

The only possible thinking is that he wants sacking, no-one determined to achieve would carry on like this and come out with some of the stuff he is saying. 

[Happy Fox]

Just now, Jazzy_Jeff said:

I can accept managers getting things wrong but what I can’t accept are managers unwilling to change when things aren’t working.

 

Our defence has been all over the gaff since he’s come in but not considered a back three or an extra body in middle of the park.

 

We’re not scoring or creating yet persists with a front 3 with a combined age of 103 when there is Daka, Buonanotte and Mavididi available. Percy even said that Eduoard is training well and available - how are we going to know if he’s going to make a difference if not even on the bench?! 
 

Youth players that aren’t trusted, no game plan/tactics and as soon as our opponents get any control of the game we retreat and let them bend us over. 
 

This is all the work of a high-level ex pro who has assisted and managed at some big clubs and a national side. 
 

The only possible thinking is that he wants sacking, no-one determined to achieve would carry on like this and come out with some of the stuff he is saying. 

 

Didn't someone mention on here, that he was asked to stay on but has handed his resignation already 

[splinterdream]

19 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Dutch Peter Taylor, out of his depth.

 

 

I've seen this Peter Taylor thing a couple of times now and think it's really unfair.

RVN has beem handed a legacy a fundemental errors when creating a squad, and has clearly decided a route physicality, experience and organisation to try and get points rather than youth, Flair and chaos, now many might not agree with his decision but nobody can say if we'd be better off with chaos. 

Peter Taylor inherited a decent hard working side and dismantled it to bring in lower league players that he though he could coach into world beaters, there's a clear difference.

Do I think RVN as out of his depth? Yes, but he was probably promised signings and hasn't had them, and it would take a really special manager to get anything out of these, I remember how dreadful Bournemouth were under Howe the season they went down, there's a limit to what managers can do.

[TheFiveTime]

been a massive defender of him but the constant playing of BDCR is just criminal really. Mavidid may be inconsistant but he provides a threat that ayew and BDCR just dont and teams can just takae it easy with how little threat we provide and how little goals we score

[Chelmofox]

Just now, TheFiveTime said:

been a massive defender of him but the constant playing of BDCR is just criminal really. Mavidid may be inconsistant but he provides a threat that ayew and BDCR just dont and teams can just takae it easy with how little threat we provide and how little goals we score

Mavadidi was terrible when he came on. Its not a case of one being better than the other.

[UniFox21]

Just now, Chelmofox said:

Mavadidi was terrible when he came on. Its not a case of one being better than the other.

Offered absolutely nothing and just stood in the way. 

[TheFiveTime]

1 minute ago, Chelmofox said:

Mavadidi was terrible when he came on. Its not a case of one being better than the other.

Coming on when your team is 3-0 down, you havent been playing and your confidence has been shot is hardly a fair judgement to make. One is better than the other

[FLAN]

We can’t play the attacking players or we will be too open…

Meanwhile we are losing games by 4 goals 

[Free Falling Foxes]

Just listened to his post match interview.

Disappointed to hear him say the second goal killed the game. Retrospectively, you can see that but I hope that wasn't his attitude after 30 minutes last night. If so, that mentality just transfers over to the players and will do the exact opposite of instilling a never give up attitude.

That 'Foxes Never Quit' over the players tunnel, needs painting over

Edited 22 February by Free Falling Foxes

[Iwebema]

1 minute ago, Happy Fox said:

 

Didn't someone mention on here, that he was asked to stay on but has handed his resignation already 

Ruud? I was kind of reliably informed via people I know at another club, that all the pre spurs leaks were accurate.

 

He is appalled at the lack of professionalism and culture across the whole club. Furious he was lied to about funds and all signs were pointing to him quitting until Top had a word with him and convinced him to stay on.

 

I have no idea what he was promised, tbh I'm not sure he would of actually quit, 2 walk outs in 2 jobs regardless of the circumstances doesn't look good if he does have genuine ambitions of being a manager. 

 

It won't shock you to know there is no back up plan for what if RVN is rubbish. They don't have a clue what to do now, they've gone all in on him internally I think or at least Top has and the lapdogs are just nodding. Sounds like a proper shit show behind the scenes at the minute, I think they know they bought a duffer but similar to RVN walking out of 2 jobs in a row, we are conscious about the optics of 3 managers in a season.

 

This is my personal opinion now, not something i have heard, but outtside of him quitting (I think he wants go be sacked ala rodgers now) I don't think we will make a change because there is no plan for this and we simply don't know what to do.

[Kinowe Soorie]

3 minutes ago, Free Falling Foxes said:

Just listened to his post match interview.

Disappointed to hear him say the second goal killed the game. Retrospectively, you can see that but I hope that wasn't his attitude after 30 minutes last night. If so, that mentality just transfers over to the players and will do the exact opposite of instilling a never give up attitude.

That 'Foxes Never Quit' over the players tunnel, needs painting over

He’s probably being kind, because I thought when they scored the first goal, the game was gone. That’s how bad we are.

[The boy Linacre]

We’re wasting our breadth on RVN out, they have said they can’t afford to sack AND he’s holding in for his pay off.  Impasse.

[The Quick Brown Fox]

3 hours ago, splinterdream said:

I think he changes it now, I'd be amazed if he stuck with the same 11 

Of course he will. He doesn't see the problem. He speaks highly of the patterns of play they create. He's a clown and he's taking us down (not that we were staying up anyway).

[splinterdream]

16 minutes ago, The Quick Brown Fox said:

Of course he will. He doesn't see the problem. He speaks highly of the patterns of play they create. He's a clown and he's taking us down (not that we were staying up anyway).

I don't think he's a brilliant manager, but nevertheless a manager has to set up a certain way and keep drilling the players to that system and hope for the best but sometimes the situation is hopeless.

We did the same with Cooper, the players did, we changed style because that's what everyone was calling for and we still lost. We played 3 at the back against Newcastle and still lost, I think RVN had a glimmer of hope after Arsenal, and now he realises there's nothing he can do, only Ruud will know if he's been promised next season, if he wants next season, because you'd think his next move will be to prepare for that

[lcfcbluearmy]

1 hour ago, Happy Fox said:

 

Nobody experienced would want the f**king job, we are left with dross inexperienced options. Was Ruud even our first choice to begin with? No it was the likes of Moyes , Potter but they wouldn't touch us with a barge pole.

I dont know if they were reports at the time fron credible sources said we weren't interested in and didn't even approach Moyes

[Corky]

Don't know why he persists with some players. The midfield two never works and playing the three aging players up front takes out any momentum and makes El Khanouss even more important.

 

I have sympathy in that all the defenders are inadequate. Yeah, it needs a change but until there is a complete refresh in all areas we will be hampered.

[David Hankey]

RVN must be worse than Peter Failyor by now.

 

If he does get the bullet which many would have done by now with his record I guess LCFC will have spent more on getting rid of managers than buying players since winning the League. 

[coolhandfox]

1 hour ago, splinterdream said:

I've seen this Peter Taylor thing a couple of times now and think it's really unfair.

RVN has beem handed a legacy a fundemental errors when creating a squad, and has clearly decided a route physicality, experience and organisation to try and get points rather than youth, Flair and chaos, now many might not agree with his decision but nobody can say if we'd be better off with chaos. 

Peter Taylor inherited a decent hard working side and dismantled it to bring in lower league players that he though he could coach into world beaters, there's a clear difference.

Do I think RVN as out of his depth? Yes, but he was probably promised signings and hasn't had them, and it would take a really special manager to get anything out of these, I remember how dreadful Bournemouth were under Howe the season they went down, there's a limit to what managers can do.

He's broken a top flight record by being the first team to lose 6 home games on the bounce without score.

 

We have lost 10 of the last 11 scoring 4 times.

 

Based on stats he's been out manage by Cooper.

 

Clueless

[SouthStandUpperTier]

18 minutes ago, David Hankey said:

RVN must be worse than Peter Failyor by now.

 

If he does get the bullet which many would have done by now with his record I guess LCFC will have spent more on getting rid of managers than buying players since winning the League. 

Have to go back to Dave Bassett to find a Leicester City manager with a lower win percentage. Even Taylor's record is far superior to RVN's.

 

https://www.foxestalk.co.uk/history/manager-statistics/

 

RVN is closing in fast on McLintock's 12.5% win rate so watch this space.

[Corky]

Taylor is worse because he came into a much stronger set-up and club.

 

 

[Skidmark]

Odds are tumbling... 

 

 

[inckley fox]

2 hours ago, splinterdream said:

I've seen this Peter Taylor thing a couple of times now and think it's really unfair.

RVN has beem handed a legacy a fundemental errors when creating a squad, and has clearly decided a route physicality, experience and organisation to try and get points rather than youth, Flair and chaos, now many might not agree with his decision but nobody can say if we'd be better off with chaos. 

Peter Taylor inherited a decent hard working side and dismantled it to bring in lower league players that he though he could coach into world beaters, there's a clear difference.

Do I think RVN as out of his depth? Yes, but he was probably promised signings and hasn't had them, and it would take a really special manager to get anything out of these, I remember how dreadful Bournemouth were under Howe the season they went down, there's a limit to what managers can do.

He's probably got more in common - in terms of circumstances/outcomes rather than style - with Bassett rather than Taylor. He's making a hash of an admittedly difficult situation.

 

As for Taylor himself, there were quite a few arguments put forward at the time by people who felt he'd been hard done by. I didn't agree with any of them, but they went along the lines of 'he inherited an ageing squad which was held together by a manager's unique charisma, started the first season superbly, was undone by a freak cup game (at the end of our best FA Cup run in two decades) but still got a respectable 13th place finish... and it was too early in the following campaign to sack him'. The dismal nature of the relegation and the subsequent financial catastrophe kind of swept that argument away, but I suppose there are at least achievements of sorts you can point towards with Taylor, even if they're set against a backdrop of complete Armageddon.

[richardsfoxes]

Genuinely think he will walk. 

[Shaun the fox 1]

Just get behind the boys till we are down I think we will stay up foxes never quit 

[tinpot_fox]

2 hours ago, Kinowe Soorie said:

He’s probably being kind, because I thought when they scored the first goal, the game was gone. That’s how bad we are.

The game was gone after the first goal because we haven’t scored at home for six games, after the second and third goals the players did just look like they had given up though, compete amateurish chaos with no structure.