Ruud van Nistelrooy - New Manager - Official

[SouthStandUpperTier]

6 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

I don’t think Charlton fans look at the table early on and say do you remember when we were heading in to Europe after 8 games or any fans in general 

We were still in 4th place after 28 games when beating Liverpool 2-0 at home on the 3rd March. Then came the infamous loss to Wycombe in the Cup QF and we went into a complete tailspin which Taylor couldn't rectify. But up until that Wycombe game it was looking like it would be one of the most successful seasons in club history.

[inckley fox]

1 hour ago, lcfcbluearmy said:

Granted it was only 8 games in but we were top when Taylor took over

 

 

Surely he took us over in June? (Or have I missed something?!)

[everton carr]

1 hour ago, lcfcbluearmy said:

Tes with o’Niels squad and then we tanked as soon as he started to put in his own ideas

Not really it's was without Heskey and Cottee who were huge players under O'Neil  plus an ageing  defence

[HarryDee8]

Why is he still here 😂 

 

[fox_up_north]

Reading the article (if it's to be believed) suggests that Ruud is on a hiding to absolutely nothing. He might not be a great manager but he's also in an absolute mess of a club. 

[inckley fox]

1 hour ago, everton carr said:

Not really it's was without Heskey and Cottee who were huge players under O'Neil  plus an ageing  defence

Taylor made some horrendous decisions, even if he gets a sprinkling of credit for his part in our early season form, and a respectable enough mid-table finish. He totally blew the Heskey money, and more, which led to financial disaster when the wheels came off. He signed Akinbiyi, Lewis and Lee Marshall and insisted on playing them way beyond the moment that it became clear that they were hopeless. He split his duties between City and England at a time when our form was faltering. He also signed Wise, who upset half the squad, put Davidson out for three months and was involved in a winding up order on the club. He switched Izzet to the wing and went to a 4-4-2 which he had to abandon at half time in our first game of the season when we were 0-5 down against a newly promoted side.

 

However three things should be said to offer some balance. One is the aforementioned mid-table finish. One is the fact that we weren't necessarily down when he left, and if Bassett had done a good job we'd barely talk about how crap he was. The third is that the criticism - much of which came from Walsh after his exit - that he'd 'systematically dismantled' the O'Neill team is, as you suggest, unfair. He inherited an ageing squad (Flowers, Taggart, Elliott, Sinclair, Walsh, Cottee, Guppy were all the wrong side of 30, Lennon, Impey and Collymore weren't far off, and Marshall, who Taylor was slated for barring from training, wasn't even our player) and many of the players who left were simply coming to the end of their careers. Lennon pushed for his exit, Stan got into trouble again, so it was hardly all the manager's doing.

 

He was still extremely crap of course. But Ruud is more comparable with Bassett, who was also crap but not really responsible for the downturn, than Taylor.

[Mickyblueeyes]

WHY IS HE STILL HERE?

[Filbert Fireworks]

Why hasn't he been sacked?  Our worst manager ever. Why? 

[Filbert Fireworks]

So 2-0 down against West Ham at halftime you would expect a decent manager to change something. 

 

No we roll out the same personnel in a 4231 again with Vardy isolated from BDR again. 

 

He looks lost and has no ideas when his one and only plan doesn't work. 

 

It was a mistake appointing and I'm now at an absolute loss as to why he is still at the club. 

 

We were above the relegation places we are now being cut adrift and he isn't showing any signs of improving. 

 

People said the second half was better. Of course it was west ham were 2-0 up and could afford to ease off a bit it wasn't some masterful tactical change on our part they just went into cruise control and we looked a bit less shit for a bit.

 

Please please please show him the door

 

[lcfcbluearmy]

4 hours ago, HankMarvin said:

I don’t think Charlton fans look at the table early on and say do you remember when we were heading in to Europe after 8 games or any fans in general 

Ok but if you look 20 fames in we were still 4th that's challenging for the title didn't say we were definitely going to win but challenging for

[Guy]

6 hours ago, lcfcbluearmy said:

Ok but if you look 20 fames in we were still 4th that's challenging for the title didn't say we were definitely going to win but challenging for

It is rather strange how that 4th place in March (2001) under Peter Taylor's first season tenure, has since been (very) written out of history  - mainly ever since the infamous Wycombe FA Cup defeat that followed that 2-0 league win over then FA Cup winners that May, Liverpool. Maybe it was a good defensive formation and us scoring more than we let in up to that point of the season that got us there - or maybe it was just pure luck but anyway,  the rest as they say is history. Hard to say if the club was better or more poorly managed at the very top back then (the late John Elsom?), compared to now though re Top/Rudkin/Whelan : given that we went into administration after relegation and during the first season at our then new home of course re "the blue and white bowl"!  

Edited 1 March by Guy

[Joe90lcfc]

Why hasn’t this clown been sacked?? Completely cringeworthy club 

[Sly]

Why is he still here?
 

He’s the worst manager we’ve ever had. 

[Gazza M]

31 minutes ago, Sly said:

Why is he still here?
 

He’s the worst manager we’ve ever had. 

He beat us 5-2 and 3-0 so in Tops eyes we are going go transform in to a Champions League quality side very soon. That is the only deluded thing I can think of other than we are that badly run a payoff to another set of coaches will hurt us financially big time. 

[ClaphamFox]

47 minutes ago, Sly said:

Why is he still here?
 

He’s the worst manager we’ve ever had. 

Probably because the club still wants him to oversee the summer clear out and rebuild. This might be a plausible plan if we were actually seeing any progress on the pitch, but instead we’re getting worse. I suspect the club is desperately hoping that we get a few decent results before the end of the season to justify allowing RVN to stay on. I can’t see that happening, but I think that’s probably why he’s still here.

[Paninistickers]

56 minutes ago, Sly said:

Why is he still here?
 

He’s the worst manager we’ve ever had. 

Either what Clapham said above, and I think he's being very generous to all sides there. There is zero evidence the Dutchman is capable of leading both team and club rebuild 

 

Or, the most plausible theory, is that the club (top, Whelan, Rudkin) are in their usual state of paralysis, don't want to be seen to have made a mistake and simply hope that things will turn around on their own 

 

 

[Claudio Fannieri]

I am in no way defending RVN or saying things will pan out the same way whatsoever but I suppose we don’t see what is going on behind the scenes, when MON joined the club, we went on a pretty poor run of results over a similar time period and there were rumours of an unhappy camp etc etc, now the big difference was MON received some backing in the transfer market to strengthen in some key positions, but a lot of it was around the standards he was implementing. 
 

maybe this is similar, RVN has come in and seen what a clown show it is, and is challenging the players to raise their game, it’s far from working at the moment, but maybe the club are backing him to turn the tide. 

[ClaphamFox]

1 minute ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

I am in no way defending RVN or saying things will pan out the same way whatsoever but I suppose we don’t see what is going on behind the scenes, when MON joined the club, we went on a pretty poor run of results over a similar time period and there were rumours of an unhappy camp etc etc, now the big difference was MON received some backing in the transfer market to strengthen in some key positions, but a lot of it was around the standards he was implementing. 
 

maybe this is similar, RVN has come in and seen what a clown show it is, and is challenging the players to raise their game, it’s far from working at the moment, but maybe the club are backing him to turn the tide. 

I think you may be right. For what it’s worth I sense that RVN might have the right kind of personality to oversee the kind of changes we need - he seems to set high standards and I don’t think he’s a pushover. But that will only work if he’s actually a good manager too - and so far we haven’t seen much evidence of that. But yes, maybe the club is seeing enough behind the scenes to suggest he will succeed once we’ve cleared out all the bad apples and he’s had the chance to build his own squad. 

[coolhandfox]

31 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

I think you may be right. For what it’s worth I sense that RVN might have the right kind of personality to oversee the kind of changes we need - he seems to set high standards and I don’t think he’s a pushover. But that will only work if he’s actually a good manager too - and so far we haven’t seen much evidence of that. But yes, maybe the club is seeing enough behind the scenes to suggest he will succeed once we’ve cleared out all the bad apples and he’s had the chance to build his own squad. 

What evidence are basing that assessment on?

 

I don't see it, we have players going though the motions.

[coolhandfox]

42 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

I am in no way defending RVN or saying things will pan out the same way whatsoever but I suppose we don’t see what is going on behind the scenes, when MON joined the club, we went on a pretty poor run of results over a similar time period and there were rumours of an unhappy camp etc etc, now the big difference was MON received some backing in the transfer market to strengthen in some key positions, but a lot of it was around the standards he was implementing. 
 

maybe this is similar, RVN has come in and seen what a clown show it is, and is challenging the players to raise their game, it’s far from working at the moment, but maybe the club are backing him to turn the tide. 

No were near the same.

 

This is a pretty poor run of results it's horrendous run of results, we have lost 11 in 12, not score in 6 home games and score 4 whilst conceding 31! 

 

Turning the tide, the is no evidence to suggest we are turning the tide.

 

At the start of this bad run we actually turned in some OK performance, but we are gradually get worse.

 

I'd love to see the running stats from the West Ham game.

 

Several reporter state that our performance against West Ham was one of the worse they have seen in the PL.

 

 

 

 

 

[Iwebema]

4 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

What evidence are basing that assessment on?

 

I don't see it, we have players going though the motions.

If you look at the comments post QPR etc. And general comments from in the game at the time of his appointments, he demands a high level of professionalism.

 

The problem is we have a squad of players who aren't bothered and don't listen/think they know better. Like a teenager tuning out a shouting parent.

 

Like @ClaphamFox says the issue is you have to back it up by being a good manager aswell, one thing to demand better standards off the pitch another to make it translate on the pitch.

 

For what it's worth I think both @ClaphamFox and @Claudio Fannieri are right, the reason he hasn't gone is Top is desperate for this to work out and is impressed with RVN off the field. The issue for me is I don't think Top has figured out RVN is at his whits end with the group and is also not showing the signs of a good manager who can adapt.

I believe RVN has been told he can have the summer to clear it out and start again, but my issue is, I am not sure we can have another 10 games of this I just cant see how you can over see this for aslong as he has and will have done and think it will turn around and also I don't see how we can have a big clear out, we still have alot of the "bad eggs" on big money who won't want to leave, for instance Vestergaard has 2 more years rumoured to be around the 70k a week zone, he has no interest in moving clubs and we've made it so easy for him he will quite happily just take his money and not play.

 

It's just another proper mess of a situation caused by really really poor recruitment and squad building.

 

 

[Guppys Love Child]

39 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

I think you may be right. For what it’s worth I sense that RVN might have the right kind of personality to oversee the kind of changes we need - he seems to set high standards and I don’t think he’s a pushover. But that will only work if he’s actually a good manager too - and so far we haven’t seen much evidence of that. But yes, maybe the club is seeing enough behind the scenes to suggest he will succeed once we’ve cleared out all the bad apples and he’s had the chance to build his own squad. 

Sorry bud, but I'm polar opposite in my views.

 

He not a good manager and I feel he comes up way short in all the requirements in your points.

I don't think the club is seeing enough behind the scenes to see future success, and its down to financial constraints that's he's still here. 

 

I also appreciate you said only if he's a good manager and maybe the club is seeing enough.  

 

His out of his depth big time, and is seriously lacking in the manageral experience needed to navigate our current situation, and is devoid of the tactical nouns to get the results needed , hilighted by his clueless team selections, baffling substitutions, omitting our better and more effective players from the start of matches in favour of playing "Dads Army" as our attacking options,  etc etc .. we as a forum have debated these points until the 'cow's have well and truly come home'

 

Unless he is sacked or he walks and "all things Ruud" are actually removed from the team, then we will be relegated.

 

But I'm also mindful of the bigger picture behind the scenes of Top, Rudkin, Whelan and all the other hangers on at board level that have killed this club from the inside.

 

But canning Ruud and not inflicting his failings and shortcomings on the starting11 is a start...

 

[jv1]

Absolutely unbelievable he hasn’t been sacked - what on earth are they doing 

[ClaphamFox]

33 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

What evidence are basing that assessment on?

 

I don't see it, we have players going though the motions.

We have a rotten squad with far too many bad apples. There’s a cultural problem that runs so deep it will only be solved by a major clear-out. I get the impression (and it’s just a personal impression) that RVN might be good at handling that side of things. The problem is, I’m not sure that he’s actually a good enough manager to deliver on the pitch. 

[markko]

Maybe it is a PSR consideration. Perhaps decision will be delayed until new financial year. Maybe we have sounded out suitable replacements and they do not want to come. It is not always as easy as get him gone. By the way if it was I would support his dismissal now.