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Kiernan Dewsbury-Hall

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st albans fox

st albans fox

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10 minutes ago, enmac said:

Maybe, but it just makes sense. Isn't getting into their team, ever, is he? Where  would he prefer to go on loan? Has to be City.

Depends what other offers he gets 

Eg. if Fulham were to enquire then he might decide that suits him better given that he must have moved down sarf. 
 

of course Chelsea may decide that they would pay a much larger proportion of KDH’s wages if he came here than went elsewhere (if we indicated a willingness to discuss the sale of a keeper next summer ……) 

JimJams

JimJams

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58 minutes ago, enmac said:

Some journo on Talksport said he thought he's on his way to City.

 

51 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Didn’t sound to me like he knew what he was talking about 

just quoting from papers/websites 

Rumours going round the interwebz about Arsenal.

JimJams

JimJams

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2 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

That seems nuts 

going from not even getting in Chelsea’s match day squad to occasionally sitting on Arsenal’s bench !

Arsenal aren't all that blessed in that area really.  And the players they do have don't have the best injury records either.  Though I would expect it's still just cheap cover for them.  Doubt they actually buy him though.

Royston.

Royston.

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WTF Enzo wasnt feeling guilty by ditching us for Chelsea so he did us a favour by paying a decent price for a player that was never gonna make it at Chelsea:schlupp:

 

the bastard bought KDH to use as a bargaining chip to lure Hermansen if the Dane impressed in the Premier League. Pure evil genius:brendan:

 

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Finnegan

Finnegan

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On 17/12/2024 at 12:20, moore_94 said:

Only way I could really see us setup with KDH coming back if we go by how we have set up so far would be:

 

Buonanotte, KDH, Bilal

               Vardy

 

With KDH pushing up to press with Vardy and freeing up the space in the middle for Buonanotte and Bilal to come inside off the wing whilst being overlapped by the full back

 

I think I have actually been more impressed by Buonanotte and Bilal when they have started wide and been able to come inside

 

I would be quite happy with that setup

 

Doesn't work. You're describing two separate phases of play. KDH pushing up to press with Vardy is essentially "442 mode", at which point BEK and FB are the two wide midfielders.

 

In posession it's got to be 3-box-3, so KDH goes where? If you want BEK and FB to both be the "top" of the box then one of Vardy or KDH has to then, what, go out wide? It doesn't really work.

 

The only way you can bring ANOTHER attacking midfielder in and accomodate both of the kids is if one of them, probably FB stays out wide. I know it's romantic to imagine this sort of perfectly fluid, total football notion of them alternating and taking it in turns to be the one that goes out wide and the one to tuck inside but that's not really how we're going to play. That'd be a chaotic mess, what RVN is doing - just as with Enzo - is going to be extremely structured where people have defined roles in both attack and defence that they can carry out almost robotically.

 

There's just no real place for KDH in the side. At all.

 

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JJD_LCFC

JJD_LCFC

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3 hours ago, dillonpanthers87 said:

If you're KDH you wouldn't (my opinion) want this move. Looks like such a "I failed and I'm back" - you'd go anywhere else (for more money)

I understand your point on this. My alternative view is that he can look at 6 months back at his boyhood club and help keep Leicester up. He will enjoy his football here a lot more than Chelsea as he will play every week. 
 

if it was me, I would look at the drinkwater situation. Same move, similar price. Chose to stay for too long and career fizzled out very quickly. 
 

could KDH see this as a way to play more often, and keep us up. 
 

 

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JJD_LCFC

JJD_LCFC

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3 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

Doesn't work. You're describing two separate phases of play. KDH pushing up to press with Vardy is essentially "442 mode", at which point BEK and FB are the two wide midfielders.

 

In posession it's got to be 3-box-3, so KDH goes where? If you want BEK and FB to both be the "top" of the box then one of Vardy or KDH has to then, what, go out wide? It doesn't really work.

 

The only way you can bring ANOTHER attacking midfielder in and accomodate both of the kids is if one of them, probably FB stays out wide. I know it's romantic to imagine this sort of perfectly fluid, total football notion of them alternating and taking it in turns to be the one that goes out wide and the one to tuck inside but that's not really how we're going to play. That'd be a chaotic mess, what RVN is doing - just as with Enzo - is going to be extremely structured where people have defined roles in both attack and defence that they can carry out almost robotically.

 

There's just no real place for KDH in the side. At all.

 

As a possible option Regarding KDH, if we were to sign him we could go back to the Winks, Ndidi and KDH midfield 3. I think that is stronger than we have now. Personal opinion and I could be wrong of course. 
 

On another topic. Your message relates heavily to tactics and formations. I have no problem at all with this. I would just like to ask that if everything is supposedly getting better in football, sports science, pitches, training volume, professional coaches . How come the players are getting worse? When I was growing up we had real quality strikers in all major teams. Then world class players like Zidane, Kaka, Ronaldinho. I think coaches now are solely focused on themselves and not the players. They are over coached and take away creativity and natural instinct that the players have. 
 

sorry for changing topic on this, just a gripe of mine with the modern game. 

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Finnegan

Finnegan

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4 hours ago, JJD_LCFC said:

As a possible option Regarding KDH, if we were to sign him we could go back to the Winks, Ndidi and KDH midfield 3. I think that is stronger than we have now. Personal opinion and I could be wrong of course. 

 

Yeah but this then ruins both Bilal and Facundo. Last season, Ndidi and KDH were the "top" of the box and if you're going to have the same again then in order to complete the bottom of it you need to have a defender step forward, as Ricky was doing. This hasn't historically been Ruud's preference and I personally doubt he changes. 

 

The other way to play the three together is Ndidi doing the Ricardo part alongside Winks as the holding sixes and the rest is what @moore_94 was suggesting with KDH, playing as ultimately one of our current 10s which squeezes one of BEK or FB out. 

 

Just doesn't really work. 

 

This forum is absolutely full of people continuously suggesting different tactics, formations and systems. Every pre match thread is "what if we tried this..." it makes me chuckle. Good managers these days aren't just chopping and changing shapes, Enzo barely shifted from one set up all year and I think RVN is largely going to be the same. The defensive shape might sometimes change but in possession it's likely always going to be 3-box-3 and suggesting any tactic otherwise is a bit of a waste of time outside fantasy. 

 

4 hours ago, JJD_LCFC said:

They are over coached and take away creativity and natural instinct that the players have. 

 

Money. Money is everything. Winning is money, so the most reliable and efficient way to win is the most reliable and efficient way to money. 

 

The money you lose from next winning is massive, look at our current troubles. 

 

The whole sport has largely become more structured and tactical because it's a team game and building it towards structure is the best way to ensure a win. 

 

I definitely think young players largely get "flair" coached out of them these days, yes. Look at Rodgers, hates a player going on a dribble, one or two touches that's it, pass it on. There's a lot of that in the sport. I'm not here to tell you it's better these days. It's just this is the reality we have now whether we like it or not. 

 

Pep and Mourinho almost ushered in an industrial revolution in football in the 00s. Everything became "better" and in doing some probably became worse. 

 

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dillonpanthers87

dillonpanthers87

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13 hours ago, JJD_LCFC said:

I understand your point on this. My alternative view is that he can look at 6 months back at his boyhood club and help keep Leicester up. He will enjoy his football here a lot more than Chelsea as he will play every week. 
 

if it was me, I would look at the drinkwater situation. Same move, similar price. Chose to stay for too long and career fizzled out very quickly. 
 

could KDH see this as a way to play more often, and keep us up. 
 

 

I hope so 

Dahnsouff

Dahnsouff

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No, does not make any sense to bring him back and he would be crazy to return, as he is not a certain starter and you would imagine after the Chelsea experience he would like to be playing.

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fox_up_north

fox_up_north

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6 hours ago, Dahnsouff said:

No, does not make any sense to bring him back and he would be crazy to return, as he is not a certain starter and you would imagine after the Chelsea experience he would like to be playing.

What makes you say he wouldn't be a certain starter? 

 

I admit that he probably wouldn't be the solution to midfield defensive issues but he'd be a fairly regular name on the team sheet. He's above Skipp, Soumare and (possibly) Winks. 

Dahnsouff

Dahnsouff

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6 hours ago, fox_up_north said:

What makes you say he wouldn't be a certain starter? 

 

I admit that he probably wouldn't be the solution to midfield defensive issues but he'd be a fairly regular name on the team sheet. He's above Skipp, Soumare and (possibly) Winks. 

Just think last year he was much better than alternatives, this year he is comparable and if he is better, it is not by a great deal, so he would be one of several options.

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whoareyaaa

whoareyaaa

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On 20/12/2024 at 18:00, Dahnsouff said:

No, does not make any sense to bring him back and he would be crazy to return, as he is not a certain starter and you would imagine after the Chelsea experience he would like to be playing.

He was a key player for us, look how shit our midfield has been this season.. having someone like KDH would make a massive difference imo.. it would be more of a gamble signing any other player.

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Stuntman_Mike

Stuntman_Mike

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On 20/12/2024 at 18:00, Dahnsouff said:

No, does not make any sense to bring him back and he would be crazy to return, as he is not a certain starter and you would imagine after the Chelsea experience he would like to be playing.

If we somehow pulled this off, he would absolutely be starting for us. He's a massive upgrade on anything we have, even if he was played out of position he'd improve us.

 

 

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