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Whose fault is it?

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KFS

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On the pitch it’s Faes, Justin and Ward. Been going through highlights this evening and it’s largely those three ruining any chance we have in games. 

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CPepFox

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36 minutes ago, JimJams said:

Common denominator.

 

Why can't we have some numerators??? I'm tired of denominators!!! Especially on this topic!!!

Fox42

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44 minutes ago, SecretPro said:

Tea lady. She's definitely the root cause.

It’s always the tea lady. They love to stir things up.

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Muzzy_no7

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1 hour ago, JimJams said:

Ward has played 135 minutes of football. Shit as he may be, it's not his fault we are where we are.

Any average goalkeeper and we wouldn’t have been relegated in the first place.

 

He didn’t pick himself, I know. 

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fox_favourite

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Wellens. Definitely Wellens. 

 

But in all seriousness, it depends on which bit. On the pitch, you could look back at the decision to appoint cooper. Wrong man for the wrong club at the wrong time. He made some bad transfer decisions that we're suffering from today. Also, he wasnt tactically aware, and looked lost. Coaching was poor and execution of 'tactics', was poor. 

 

You could blame the players for their performances. Some just haven't been good enough. Too many individual errors and the same mistakes over and over again. 

 

But both are the fault of the board. Decisions have been wrong for a while. Managers employed, transfer decisions, contract length and value have been poor decision. Investment has been wrong for years. We e spent money, but completely in the wrong way.

 

Is the stupid PSR rules to blame? We couldn't invest when we needed to, yet other clubs can. 

 

It's a domino affect. Inept management across all levels in this club, and that isn't an easy fix. Football managers come and go, but if the structure above is weak or incompetent, then it'll be the same pattern over and over again, PSR rules or not. 

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Sly

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A lot has gone wrong, however the honest answer is we’ve tried to play by the rules and had our fingers burnt with PSR I think.

 

We were always sailing close to the wind and punching above our weight in financial terms. 

 


 

On the field

 

Kasper and Morgan leaving left a massive gap in leadership.

 

Ability wise, it took us 12 months to replace Kasper. Ward officially cost us 6 goals, and was ranked toward the bottom end of goalkeepers. Only Buzana, Travers and Mesiler were worse. We should have signed a goalkeeper in January.  

 

Evans was always injured, Soyuncu needed a leader next to him so we should have purchased a more experienced centre back partner. Rodgers insistence to play Amartey and Faes was borderline criminal though. Vestergaard / Soyuncu basically became outcasts. 

Faes / Vestergaard are major downgrades on Fofana. 

Perez was expensive, however he worked hard for the team, similar to Albrighton. Something subsequent right sided wingers in Under and Tete didn’t. We keep both of these in 22/23 and I don’t think we get relegated. I’m assuming now they were shifted out to cut the wage bill on PSR? 
 

We’ve so many injuries to players. Ricardo, Benkovic, Justin, Evans, Bertrand, Mendy, Ndidi etc.

 

Even this season Fatawu, Ricardo, Ndidi, Stolarkzyk, Hermansen, Vestergaard, Nelson and Souttar are all injured longer term. The latter might have been pulled back in for improve the defence and selling Faes. Can’t do that now. 
 

Alves and Braybrooke were the next two talents from the academy. Both injured and neither have kicked on since. 


Off the field

 

That transfer window when we didn’t refresh under Rodgers when it was evident we desperately needed new blood, was the turning point. Signing Smithies and Faes wasn’t an ideal situation. 
 

The January 23 transfer window when we signed Souttar, Kristiansen, Tete …. Wow. That was bad. 

 

If we pull the trigger on Rodgers earlier, even if we appoint Dean Smith 5 games earlier, I think we stay up. Those two losses to Villa and Bournemouth were hard to take. 

 

We’ve let Tielemans, Praet, Perez, Evans, Soyuncu, Amartey, Iheanacho and Mendy leave on free transfers. We have financial issues and we let the best part of £150m worth of assets leave for free.

 

We under sold Maddison, Castagne, Barnes and Dewsbury-Hall cheap, as we needed to balance the books. 
 

We appear to have changed our philosophy on transfer. We were once the model to copy but Brighton, Bournemouth and Brentford have definitely passed us now, using data analytics to basically moneyball signings. We were doing it. When and why this changed, I’ll never know. 

 

We’ve guffed so much money up the wall on signings that haven’t worked. We aren’t a Chelsea, Manchester City etc, that can afford to do that. I’m still not convinced that spending £20m on Soumare, then giving his £90k per week apparently was the smartest idea ever. Why we needed Skipp I’ll never know.

 

Coupled with signing terrible players, we struggle to sell on. In an ideal world Thomas and Choudhury should have been sold to balance the books as they’re pure profit to PSR. 
 

We didn’t have a plan for when Maresca left. He was always going to leave at some point, Cooper wasn’t the right man to replace him and I’m yet to be convinced RVN is either. Do we have a longer term strategy, or are we sailing by the seat of our pants? On that, what’s the deal with RVN having none of his own staff?!? 

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1 hour ago, Sly said:

A lot has gone wrong, however the honest answer is we’ve tried to play by the rules and had our fingers burnt with PSR I think.

 

We were always sailing close to the wind and punching above our weight in financial terms. 

 


 

On the field

 

Kasper and Morgan leaving left a massive gap in leadership.

 

Ability wise, it took us 12 months to replace Kasper. Ward officially cost us 6 goals, and was ranked toward the bottom end of goalkeepers. Only Buzana, Travers and Mesiler were worse. We should have signed a goalkeeper in January.  

 

Evans was always injured, Soyuncu needed a leader next to him so we should have purchased a more experienced centre back partner. Rodgers insistence to play Amartey and Faes was borderline criminal though. Vestergaard / Soyuncu basically became outcasts. 

Faes / Vestergaard are major downgrades on Fofana. 

Perez was expensive, however he worked hard for the team, similar to Albrighton. Something subsequent right sided wingers in Under and Tete didn’t. We keep both of these in 22/23 and I don’t think we get relegated. I’m assuming now they were shifted out to cut the wage bill on PSR? 
 

We’ve so many injuries to players. Ricardo, Benkovic, Justin, Evans, Bertrand, Mendy, Ndidi etc.

 

Even this season Fatawu, Ricardo, Ndidi, Stolarkzyk, Hermansen, Vestergaard, Nelson and Souttar are all injured longer term. The latter might have been pulled back in for improve the defence and selling Faes. Can’t do that now. 
 

Alves and Braybrooke were the next two talents from the academy. Both injured and neither have kicked on since. 


Off the field

 

That transfer window when we didn’t refresh under Rodgers when it was evident we desperately needed new blood, was the turning point. Signing Smithies and Faes wasn’t an ideal situation. 
 

The January 23 transfer window when we signed Souttar, Kristiansen, Tete …. Wow. That was bad. 

 

If we pull the trigger on Rodgers earlier, even if we appoint Dean Smith 5 games earlier, I think we stay up. Those two losses to Villa and Bournemouth were hard to take. 

 

We’ve let Tielemans, Praet, Perez, Evans, Soyuncu, Amartey, Iheanacho and Mendy leave on free transfers. We have financial issues and we let the best part of £150m worth of assets leave for free.

 

We under sold Maddison, Castagne, Barnes and Dewsbury-Hall cheap, as we needed to balance the books. 
 

We appear to have changed our philosophy on transfer. We were once the model to copy but Brighton, Bournemouth and Brentford have definitely passed us now, using data analytics to basically moneyball signings. We were doing it. When and why this changed, I’ll never know. 

 

We’ve guffed so much money up the wall on signings that haven’t worked. We aren’t a Chelsea, Manchester City etc, that can afford to do that. I’m still not convinced that spending £20m on Soumare, then giving his £90k per week apparently was the smartest idea ever. Why we needed Skipp I’ll never know.

 

Coupled with signing terrible players, we struggle to sell on. In an ideal world Thomas and Choudhury should have been sold to balance the books as they’re pure profit to PSR. 
 

We didn’t have a plan for when Maresca left. He was always going to leave at some point, Cooper wasn’t the right man to replace him and I’m yet to be convinced RVN is either. Do we have a longer term strategy, or are we sailing by the seat of our pants? On that, what’s the deal with RVN having none of his own staff?!? 

This is the bit I don't understand either. It makes no sense to me. 

 

Very well put, better than me. Our golden era has been and gone. We're a stale club drifting away, where clubs around our stature and size have modernised and moving forward at pace. Relegation killed us and now we'll never be the level we want or used to be. 

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27 minutes ago, Kinowe Soorie said:

Rodgers and his signings.

The thing with Rodgers is, it comes back to Rudkin.

At the start of the relegation season, Rodgers said these players aren’t good enough - we need new players or we are in a  relegation fight (or words to that effect).

At this point Rudkin, and those above him had two choice - the squads fine, if you can’t get a tune out of them then your sacked - see ya later mate.

Option two was to back the manager and bring in new players and get those Rodgers didn’t want any more out the door. 
We chose to do neither and the end result was as predicted at the start of the season.

If Rodgers is to be believed he had players lined up to come in during the summer and had the funds pulled from him. This sentiment was then echoed by Enzo in January, which makes me believe it’s true.

Getting rid of Schmeichel and not replacing him was criminal, and the number one reason for our relegation. 
The not selling of Tielemans and Soyuncu are reinvestment in the playing squad was also a huge issue in us going down and the ongoing financial problems.

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Mr.Bingles

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Unfortunately I think our troubles started the day Vichai died. He clearly was the one who had the business acumen to run successful organisations. Top doesn't have the talent his father had and so he lacks the instinct his father had. This means he is being advised poorly by the likes of Rudkin and others. He'd be better off hiring a proper DoF with proven experience and moving Rudkin over to look after his horses. I think a brilliant DoF is by far the most important transfer the club needs ASAP. 

 

Am I right in thinking when Walsh left and Congerton/Rodgers joined we changed our recruitment model? We need to return to our previous model. We need to get much smarter. We should be looking at, smarter, quicker, data driven methods of recruiting. There must be ways in which we can harness teams of young talented analysts to assist experienced scouts in unearthing talent. 

PSR really has done us. Poor decision in the transfer market and appaling contracts, yes, but it's getting more and more difficult for promoted teams to survive their first season because of the financial restraints. Is there an argument for allowing promoted teams to spend a  bigger % of their PSR in their first season so they can at least compete with the established teams. When teams are forced to sell their best assets time and time again just to adhere to FFP making them weaker then something is wrong. Maybe it's time for the Prem/FA to introduce squad wage caps. Something needs to change. 

 

Enzo jumping ship came as a shock although who can blame him, with a looming point deduction and sod all cash to spend on players. This sent the club into panic mode and we ended up with Copper. Which also meant we couldn't attract decent players. Who in their right mind would join a team facing point deductions and relegation. 

We just don't have good enough players to compete. And the way the PSR/FFP rules are set up we aren't likely to get the talent required unless we are at the cutting edge of recruitment (see above) 

 

Who's at fault. Tragedy, Bad luck, poor management, poor recruitment, Top, Rudkin, PSR/FFP. 

 

Maybe relegation, new owners are what the club needs long term??

 

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sylofox

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6 hours ago, SecretPro said:

Tea lady. She's definitely the root cause.

 

6 hours ago, JimJams said:

Common denominator.

 

 

5 hours ago, Fox42 said:

It’s always the tea lady. They love to stir things up.

You can all fvck off and leave my great aunty Doris alone. W4NKERS 😆 🤣 😂 

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