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[when_you're_smiling]

32 minutes ago, Bilo said:

Perhaps reading isn't your forte, but please note the following:

 

"There's also the bigger issue of not wanting to emulate anyone. We had our own identity, our own success and our own methods that were very, very successful. Rapid transitions in play, smart recruitment of players with something to prove and the right attitude, sports psychology, team spirit and fitness that was so ridiculous it had bitter rival fans accusing us of doping."

 

The point is that Newcastle's methods in recruitment and style of play are more sustainable than those above them in the spending table - namely Chelsea, Tottenham and Manchester United. All spent more, none with any success. And Newcastle had a far, far lower base than any of them after Mike Ashley had run them into the ground. 

 

Bit touchy ain’t we? What I’m reading here is money doesn’t always buy success, unless it does. Which it has with Newcastle….. if you define one League Cup as success.

[Corky]

6 minutes ago, when_you're_smiling said:

Bit touchy ain’t we? What I’m reading here is money doesn’t always buy success, unless it does. Which it has with Newcastle….. if you define one League Cup as success.

Newcastle were able to spend that because the previous owner spent so little.

[Bilo]

5 minutes ago, when_you're_smiling said:

Bit touchy ain’t we? What I’m reading here is money doesn’t always buy success, unless it does. Which it has with Newcastle….. if you define one League Cup as success.

Newcastle were relegation fodder under Ashley. They're now regularly competing for Champions League spots having spent less money than Chelsea, Manchester United and Tottenham. 

 

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/einnahmenausgaben/wettbewerb/GB1/plus/0?ids=a&sa=&saison_id=2022&saison_id_bis=2024&nat=&pos=&altersklasse=&w_s=&leihe=&intern=0

 

They're actually 10th since the 22-23 season. It very clearly isn't just money given some of the guff above them.

[Bilo]

3 minutes ago, Corky said:

Newcastle were able to spend that because the previous owner spent so little.

Was going to say.

 

They were bottom three when PIF took over.

[when_you're_smiling]

12 minutes ago, Corky said:

Newcastle were able to spend that because the previous owner spent so little.

The £650m they’ve put in probably had more of an effect to be honest.

 

9 minutes ago, Bilo said:

Newcastle were relegation fodder under Ashley. They're now regularly competing for Champions League spots having spent less money than Chelsea, Manchester United and Tottenham. 

 

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/einnahmenausgaben/wettbewerb/GB1/plus/0?ids=a&sa=&saison_id=2022&saison_id_bis=2024&nat=&pos=&altersklasse=&w_s=&leihe=&intern=0

 

They're actually 10th since the 22-23 season. It very clearly isn't just money given some of the guff above them.

They’re not relegation fodder because since the takeover in 2021 they’ve spent a lot of money.

 

Yes they’ve invested wisely, better than Chelsea and Man U (it’s not hard) but it’s still much easier to do with a transfer kitty of the size they had. They partly avoided relegation because they bought Chris Wood off Burnley for an offer the Clarets couldn’t refuse and offered enough money to Kieran Trippier to swap the Champions League for a side in the bottom three. They were also able to make long term investments by offering big money to some of the hottest prospects in Europe such as Tonali who is on £210k a week. That’s one of the investments that’s paying off now, but how you paying those wages?

 

 

[Simonb]

No idea who we'll bring in next but I can't see us sacking him, at least not until after the 1st July so any pay off falls under the next financial year (assuming it also falls under psr?.. if not then this is just a wild guess)

 

But I can see the club going down the route of trying to make Ruud feel as uncomfortable as possible to try and make him make the decision himself. We might get lucky, he might get a Bayern type offer like Kompany for doing absolutely nothing 😉 

[Bilo]

23 minutes ago, when_you're_smiling said:

The £650m they’ve put in probably had more of an effect to be honest.

 

They’re not relegation fodder because since the takeover in 2021 they’ve spent a lot of money.

 

Yes they’ve invested wisely, better than Chelsea and Man U (it’s not hard) but it’s still much easier to do with a transfer kitty of the size they had. They partly avoided relegation because they bought Chris Wood off Burnley for an offer the Clarets couldn’t refuse and offered enough money to Kieran Trippier to swap the Champions League for a side in the bottom three. They were also able to make long term investments by offering big money to some of the hottest prospects in Europe such as Tonali who is on £210k a week. That’s one of the investments that’s paying off now, but how you paying those wages?

 

 

We're going round in circles.

 

I very clearly haven't said we should become a mini Newcastle any more than we should have ever tried to be a mini Manchester City.

 

I've said that their mantra of signing promising young players, a high tempo playing style and a manager with a crystal clear philosophy has paid dividends. There is nothing about that blueprint that necessitates a money laundering petrostate to achieve even if we did want to emulate it.

 

We have promising young players. We could play with a high tempo playing style if we were to make the right signings and managerial appointment. That's the way forward.

 

For this to work, we need to go back to what we were doing years ago. Considering the personality and chemistry of the team instead of just signing individuals, taking advantage of world class facilities to ensure that those players are among the fittest in any league we're in so as we can effectively play that high tempo style with relentless pressing, considering psychology and improving our scouting. There's a lot in place - we have pacey players, young and promising lads who are already doing well on Championship loans and outstanding facilities. What's needed is coaching, scouting and psychology. 

 

Edited 15 April by Bilo

[teblin]

Again this is not me saying I want Dyche, but very interesting that he name drops Jon Rudkin in the interview with Lineker he does.

 

I know some people have said he won't take the Leicester job, I think he would I also think its one he has had his eye on for a while. Sure he was maybe close when Puel got it, but they wanted to change the way we played.

 

I do think we could do a lot worse that Dyche I really do (we have done with both appointments this season), but maybe we could do a lot better.

 

I know some people have said he isn't a builder, I think he is and is a little like Pearson in that sense, he did an amazing Job at Burnley and an OK job at Everton at first.

 

One thing we do need is a strong personality, Like Enzo had, that can point out whats wrong and have the belief to change it.

[winteriscoming]

I see similarities with Dyche this summer to Moyes last summer. Obviously Moyes didn’t want to come but I get the feeling that Dyche would join us. Not saying I want Dyche but rather have him than Martin. 
I do think we could do better than Dyche though. 

[Jazzy_Jeff]

21 minutes ago, teblin said:

Again this is not me saying I want Dyche, but very interesting that he name drops Jon Rudkin in the interview with Lineker he does.

 

I know some people have said he won't take the Leicester job, I think he would I also think its one he has had his eye on for a while. Sure he was maybe close when Puel got it, but they wanted to change the way we played.

 

I do think we could do a lot worse that Dyche I really do (we have done with both appointments this season), but maybe we could do a lot better.

 

I know some people have said he isn't a builder, I think he is and is a little like Pearson in that sense, he did an amazing Job at Burnley and an OK job at Everton at first.

 

One thing we do need is a strong personality, Like Enzo had, that can point out whats wrong and have the belief to change it.

Found that interesting too. He could be the man for a rebuild, it would take time and patience.

 

We as fans would have to give him that and more importantly Top would have to understand that it would be a change of style and a reshaping of the club.

 

Always liked Sean, can see him not being everyones cup of tea though.

[Claudio Fannieri]

9 minutes ago, Jazzy_Jeff said:

Found that interesting too. He could be the man for a rebuild, it would take time and patience.

 

We as fans would have to give him that and more importantly Top would have to understand that it would be a change of style and a reshaping of the club.

 

Always liked Sean, can see him not being everyones cup of tea though.

We certainly wouldn’t have back to back relegations with Dyche at the helm although  I would have reservations regards the style of play and whether some of our most promising academy and young prospects would necessarily flourish or relish the thought of playing his brand of football. 

[teblin]

5 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

We certainly wouldn’t have back to back relegations with Dyche at the helm although  I would have reservations regards the style of play and whether some of our most promising academy and young prospects would necessarily flourish or relish the thought of playing his brand of football. 

He does try to make a point about "his brand of football", in that he plays the way the team and finances allow. Not sure what young players have come through under him, McNeil(not what people would call a "Dyche" player) is the one that I can think of, sure there are others. 

 

But I completely agree with your reservations. 

 

Again I'm just trying to think how the club will think, I still get a funny feeling Ruud might still be here if we get some results in the last few games.

[Stadt]

On 14/04/2025 at 12:26, FosseSpark said:

We should go for Cesc Fabregas.

Doing wonders at Como to keep them in Serie A on low budget, and so isn't a manager with no CV. 

Loves English football

Passing style with all action midfielders

Ties to Arsenal and Chelsea could come in handy. 

 

Definitely one if we are going to go for it next season and play a strong passing style..

They don't have a low budget, they almost spent £100m net in Italy which even the top sides rarely do. He's still doing a fantastic job and is destined for better than us

[Stadt]

We can turn our nose up at Dyche like we're a midtable PL club when we're transmogrifying into Norwich 

[CosbehFox]

On 05/04/2025 at 17:20, CosbehFox said:

Henrik Rydström - absolute no chance but cracking on paper 

Now having watching his team play in one of the worst games of professional football I've ever watched - hard pass. Another of too stubborn to a philosopher crop. 

 

Hammarby's manager is probably the better prospect I'd say in Swedish football and will prove to be the better manager. Kim Hellberg

Edited 16 April by CosbehFox

[Stadt]

I think it's about 50% likely we keep RVN which is horrifying (although our squad is good enough to be in the top 6 anyway so can't see him being as poor next season).

 

If we do sack him, it'll be familiar names out of work.

 

In order of the club's thinking...

 

Martin

Gary O'Neil

Dyche

 

5-10% chance of a wildcard a la Maresca. 

 

So damnng that we can pretty easily predict what they'll do. Of all the repeated failures I think the managerial recruitment across KP's tenure has been the worst, they've been so lucky.

 

 

 

[kingcarr21]

Personally i don't care who the manager is as long as we abolish the playing out from the back rubbish. Honestly cant stand it. 

[Stadt]

40 minutes ago, kingcarr21 said:

Personally i don't care who the manager is as long as we abolish the playing out from the back rubbish. Honestly cant stand it. 

I hate playing out at all costs but there's not a single consistently good team in world football that go primarily long from the back.

[lfu]

Luis Castro from USL Dunkerque in Ligue 2

Ligue 1 is about to enter a financial crisis again because the broadcaster DAZN and the league are engaged in a legal battle over contractual breaches/missed payments and the league voted to terminate the broadcasting contract – no other broadcaster is going to offer nearly as much money, and basically everyone except PSG is going to be fuched without any broadcasting income. So that means poaching a manager from France might become very easy.

https://www.lequipe.fr/Medias/Actualites/Le-college-de-ligue-1-opte-pour-une-rupture-avec-dazn-en-fin-de-saison/1554542

 

[gurru991]

On 14/04/2025 at 13:34, ClaphamFox said:

It already did happen earlier in the season. 

Thanks Captain Obvious.!!

[ClaphamFox]

1 hour ago, gurru991 said:

Thanks Captain Obvious.!!

You are welcome, my child.

[João Miguel da Cunha]

Liam Rosenior, just on vibes alone. 

[gurru991]

1 hour ago, João Miguel da Cunha said:

Liam Rosenior, just on vibes alone. 

He may be doing too well in France to consider a move to the Championship.

[Jazzy_Jeff]

If we get Dyche, the following players are out of contract in the summer:

 

Danny Ings

Michael Keane

Ben Mee

Josh Brownhill

 

[FoxinNotts]

Just now, Jazzy_Jeff said:

If we get Dyche, the following players are out of contract in the summer:

 

Danny Ings

Michael Keane

Ben Mee

Josh Brownhill

 

Josh Brownhill would be mint

 

rest… urgh