Next Manager

[Muzzy_no7]

9 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

They fluked the Enzo appointment. It won't happen again.

At lot of people don’t understand the story of Brenzo being appointed. 
 

The board were pushing for Cooper and Co.

 

Enzo took Top on a date and sold him the world. 
 

The board who didn’t want Enzo are still here….

[inckley fox]

2 hours ago, SafewayFox said:

I won’t lie, I had to stop reading this after you tried saying that Ayew/Reid were cheap in comparison to Abdul and Stephy, in a positive way.

 

You completely ignored that we needed pace on both wings to have any slim chance of staying up.

 

Enzo ball was boring as hell but when it clicked it was about his two explosive wingers taking their full backs on/getting into dangerous positions.

 

Ayew and Reid were both heinous signings for what we needed but let’s bemoan that Fatawu cost more 🤯

It is relevant though, when you're dealing with financial restrictions (free transfers vs. 20m of spending). I don't actually believe that either of them currently offer more, but I recognise that the manager was looking for cheap alternatives / back-up to two more expensive inherited wingers. They ended up playing more because Stephy had a poor season and Abdul started poorly too, one game aside, then got injured. I'm not making any outrageous claims about them being good signings or anything so don't worry, you can go ahead and read the rest of it if you have nothing to do for an hour or two!

[indierich06]

33 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

If we're restricted to out-of-contract managers because we can't afford the compensation for somebody in a job, we're in big trouble. We made that mistake last summer with Steve Cooper and have paid a very heavy price for it. The managerial appointment is more important than any single player transfer - if we have to pay to get the right man, that's what we should do.

I don't even know that it's down to not being able to afford it, it just seems to be something we never do. It's more often than not a one-way investment, as they have no transfer value by and large. I looked it up, King Power have appointed 10 permanent managers and the only times we have paid a club for their manager was Rodgers from Celtic and Pearson from Hull. The two times we've done it, we ended up sacking the manager and paying compensation, so a bit outlay upfront and a big outlay when they're sacked. I would be shocked if they change tack and do it now on the back of paying off RVN, the relegation, and given the financial strife we're in generally.

[Muzzy_no7]

Cifuentes NOT going WBA

[izzymuzzet]

9 minutes ago, inckley fox said:

It is relevant though, when you're dealing with financial restrictions (free transfers vs. 20m of spending). I don't actually believe that either of them currently offer more, but I recognise that the manager was looking for cheap alternatives / back-up to two more expensive inherited wingers. They ended up playing more because Stephy had a poor season and Abdul started poorly too, one game aside, then got injured. I'm not making any outrageous claims about them being good signings or anything so don't worry, you can go ahead and read the rest of it if you have nothing to do for an hour or two!

I could just about understand the BDCR signing as he was on a free and on paper looked to offer some useful Premier League experience in a number of positions.

 

But the Ayew transfer looked insane at the time and even worse now. There is simply no way that paying 5 or 6 million for a 33 year old makes any sense, particularly with PSR rules as they are.

[AjcW]

8 minutes ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

It’s going to end up being Brussel sprout isn’t it.

 

At least he comes with Pinder. My god she was special in that 00’s era. 
 

In terms of coaching staff Martin comes with: 

 

Matt Gill. -assistant 

Dean Thornton. -GK Coach

Colin Calderwood.  - Coach
 

Rhys Owen and Ben Parker. -Analysts and Sports science. 
 

Luke Williams was Martins right hand man at MK Dons and Swansea and he’s just had a pretty meh spell at Swansea, wonder if he could be tempted to work with Martin again at a bigger club like us? 

 

 

How has Calderwood ended up with Martin? Feels like a clash of style!

 

Noticed he's back at Northampton now anyway

[Happy Fox]

10 minutes ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

Cifuentes NOT going WBA

Norwich?

[Realist Guy In The Room]

4 minutes ago, izzymuzzet said:

I could just about understand the BDCR signing as he was on a free and on paper looked to offer some useful Premier League experience in a number of positions.

 

But the Ayew transfer looked insane at the time and even worse now. There is simply no way that paying 5 or 6 million for a 33 year old makes any sense, particularly with PSR rules as they are.

This is so bang on and one of the most frustrating decisions ever.  If he was free like BDCR, I could kind of understand (although I still wouldn't agree in signing both of them), but to shell out the amount we did on him is just absolutely bizarre.  

 

When you look at it, no matter what angle you try and come at it from it just doesn't make any sense.

[moore_94]

1 minute ago, Happy Fox said:

Norwich?

Apparently Wilshere might be getting it permanently 

[ClaphamFox]

14 minutes ago, indierich06 said:

I don't even know that it's down to not being able to afford it, it just seems to be something we never do. It's more often than not a one-way investment, as they have no transfer value by and large. I looked it up, King Power have appointed 10 permanent managers and the only times we have paid a club for their manager was Rodgers from Celtic and Pearson from Hull. The two times we've done it, we ended up sacking the manager and paying compensation, so a bit outlay upfront and a big outlay when they're sacked. I would be shocked if they change tack and do it now on the back of paying off RVN, the relegation, and given the financial strife we're in generally.

Well if it's club policy to avoid paying compensation to get a decent manager, then it's a ridiculous policy. It's the sort of policy that leads you by a short route to the kind of shambles we've witnessed this season. Sometimes managers are out of work for a good reason.

[Muzzy_no7]

1 minute ago, moore_94 said:

Apparently Wilshere might be getting it permanently 

Media would be all over that just like the Rooney, Gerrard and Lampard appointments.

[john ridley]

15 minutes ago, izzymuzzet said:

I could just about understand the BDCR signing as he was on a free and on paper looked to offer some useful Premier League experience in a number of positions.

 

But the Ayew transfer looked insane at the time and even worse now. There is simply no way that paying 5 or 6 million for a 33 year old makes any sense, particularly with PSR rules as they are.

And that's without the Eduoard  fiasco 

[AjcW]

5 minutes ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

Media would be all over that just like the Rooney, Gerrard and Lampard appointments.

Not sure they would, nowhere near the same calibre of player.

In fairness to Wilshere too he's done the graft after realising his playing days were ending, looks a decent prospect as a manager.

Edited Wednesday at 09:55 by AjcW

[inckley fox]

16 minutes ago, izzymuzzet said:

I could just about understand the BDCR signing as he was on a free and on paper looked to offer some useful Premier League experience in a number of positions.

 

But the Ayew transfer looked insane at the time and even worse now. There is simply no way that paying 5 or 6 million for a 33 year old makes any sense, particularly with PSR rules as they are.

I heard various different figures for that, in the 3-6m range, but either way, I wouldn't argue with you. I understood the logic, but it certainly isn't what I would have done. I mean, just to clarify, I think they're both crap.

[GlenParvaFox]

20 hours ago, indierich06 said:

The Guardiola bubble simply must burst soon, for the good of football in general - it is the most turgid stuff to watch. Get us back to blood and thunder counter-attacking, **** possession - defend hard, attack hard. Nothing archaic about it, just high energy football that actually gets people out of their seats instead of boring them to death. Give it a fancy german or spanish name like contraataque and the foootball hipsters will lap it up.

Edited Wednesday at 11:56 by GlenParvaFox
I'm not as funny as I think sometimes.

[Will1981]

5 hours ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

Michael ****ing Appleton  **** me I thought I was a bit of a drip for liking the idea of Nathan jones 

Michael Appleton is statistically our greatest ever manager with a 100% win rate in the 2 games he managed us.

[Foxdiamond]

Is this nonsense to keep RvN really going to at least 1 July?

[Foxdiamond]

50 minutes ago, john ridley said:

And that's without the Eduoard  fiasco 

With Ayew and Eduoard you could say we have directly assisted Palace to the cup final etc

[lcfc_forever]

The big difference I've noticed this season is the quality of coaching and tactics in the PL. It's gone up a level, especially when you think a club like Palace has Glasner as their manager. 

 

That's why RVN has struggled, he doesn't have the nous and experience at this level (yet). 

 

I don't think it's a coincidence that Enzo and Hurzeler have arguably been the poorest performing managers outside of the bottom 3 based on the investments their clubs made as it's their first seasons as this level as well (Slot is the exception I know). McKenna has been found wanting tactically as well, his set up for the Championship just hasn't worked for the PL. 

 

It seems either extensive European experience, if not PL experience, is key now to thrive in this league. 

 

That makes me a bit concerned about going for someone less proven (it's why I'm open to Dyche although his lack of progressing young players is worrying but there are some positives like Branthwaite, McNeil and Tarkowski) but guess that's an issue for if we get promoted. 

 

Chat GPT suggested Carsley initially but he seems to have ruled himself out. I asked for some other options based on our current season, and it automatically focused on managers to develop young players - Will Still, Carlos Cuesta, Davide Ancelotti, Rene Maric and Eric Ramsay were some of the names.

 

Don't know much about Maric or Ramsay, except know the latter has been linked with other roles. 

 

 

[ceebeefox]

1 hour ago, izzymuzzet said:

I could just about understand the BDCR signing as he was on a free and on paper looked to offer some useful Premier League experience in a number of positions.

 

But the Ayew transfer looked insane at the time and even worse now. There is simply no way that paying 5 or 6 million for a 33 year old makes any sense, particularly with PSR rules as they are.

I totally agree, shocking signing, too much for not much, however in this season, (which in my time watching City since 1970 has been the worst.) he will run close to being player of the season, that’s how bad we’ve been!!

[alanf0x]

Rosenior just signed a new contract at Strasbourg not that he would ever consider coming to us at present. 
 

Rudkin probably still thinks he is playing too, not managing. 

[Bablemikey]

3 hours ago, Realist Guy In The Room said:

This is so bang on and one of the most frustrating decisions ever.  If he was free like BDCR, I could kind of understand (although I still wouldn't agree in signing both of them), but to shell out the amount we did on him is just absolutely bizarre.  

 

When you look at it, no matter what angle you try and come at it from it just doesn't make any sense.

I said you buy one, you get one free!

[kingfox]

1 hour ago, lcfc_forever said:

The big difference I've noticed this season is the quality of coaching and tactics in the PL. It's gone up a level, especially when you think a club like Palace has Glasner as their manager. 

 

That's why RVN has struggled, he doesn't have the nous and experience at this level (yet). 

 

I don't think it's a coincidence that Enzo and Hurzeler have arguably been the poorest performing managers outside of the bottom 3 based on the investments their clubs made as it's their first seasons as this level as well (Slot is the exception I know). McKenna has been found wanting tactically as well, his set up for the Championship just hasn't worked for the PL. 

 

It seems either extensive European experience, if not PL experience, is key now to thrive in this league. 

 

That makes me a bit concerned about going for someone less proven (it's why I'm open to Dyche although his lack of progressing young players is worrying but there are some positives like Branthwaite, McNeil and Tarkowski) but guess that's an issue for if we get promoted. 

 

Chat GPT suggested Carsley initially but he seems to have ruled himself out. I asked for some other options based on our current season, and it automatically focused on managers to develop young players - Will Still, Carlos Cuesta, Davide Ancelotti, Rene Maric and Eric Ramsay were some of the names.

 

Don't know much about Maric or Ramsay, except know the latter has been linked with other roles. 

 

 

Maric was linked with the Sunderland job, but they opted for Le Bris instead. 
 

But it feels like we’re stuck in the exact same predicament when we appointed Maresca. 
 

At that time Parker, McKenna and Gerrard were also linked. 
 

This time around, very much like Parker, you’ve got your underwhelming options like Martin, Dyche, O’Neill. Like McKenna, you’ve got your up-and-coming option like Rohl. Gerrard is available again. While like Maresca, you’ve got your assistant manager options like Ancelotti and Maric. 
 

They’ve been down the inexperienced route before, but I think it’s very easy for the club to go down the safe and underwhelming route this time around, especially after seeing what Farke, Parker and Wilder have done this season. 
 

But if they had any sense, they’d appoint someone who would be willing to give the likes of Nelson, Alves, Monga and Evans a chance, but when it comes to youth, it’s probably best to dip abroad like Sunderland have done with Le Bris, but would the club be willing to scour overseas, recent history suggests no. 

[notnow john]

19 minutes ago, kingfox said:

Maric was linked with the Sunderland job, but they opted for Le Bris instead. 
 

But it feels like we’re stuck in the exact same predicament when we appointed Maresca. 
 

At that time Parker, McKenna and Gerrard were also linked. 
 

This time around, very much like Parker, you’ve got your underwhelming options like Martin, Dyche, O’Neill. Like McKenna, you’ve got your up-and-coming option like Rohl. Gerrard is available again. While like Maresca, you’ve got your assistant manager options like Ancelotti and Maric. 
 

They’ve been down the inexperienced route before, but I think it’s very easy for the club to go down the safe and underwhelming route this time around, especially after seeing what Farke, Parker and Wilder have done this season. 
 

But if they had any sense, they’d appoint someone who would be willing to give the likes of Nelson, Alves, Monga and Evans a chance, but when it comes to youth, it’s probably best to dip abroad like Sunderland have done with Le Bris, but would the club be willing to scour overseas, recent history suggests no. 

Is there any other possibilities in the Saudi league? Nuno and the chap at wolves have been outstanding..

Now it appears Brazil are considering a manager from that league instead of Ancilloti.

I’m asking you as our guru of world football

,

[lcfc_forever]

36 minutes ago, kingfox said:

Maric was linked with the Sunderland job, but they opted for Le Bris instead. 
 

But it feels like we’re stuck in the exact same predicament when we appointed Maresca. 
 

At that time Parker, McKenna and Gerrard were also linked. 
 

This time around, very much like Parker, you’ve got your underwhelming options like Martin, Dyche, O’Neill. Like McKenna, you’ve got your up-and-coming option like Rohl. Gerrard is available again. While like Maresca, you’ve got your assistant manager options like Ancelotti and Maric. 
 

They’ve been down the inexperienced route before, but I think it’s very easy for the club to go down the safe and underwhelming route this time around, especially after seeing what Farke, Parker and Wilder have done this season. 
 

But if they had any sense, they’d appoint someone who would be willing to give the likes of Nelson, Alves, Monga and Evans a chance, but when it comes to youth, it’s probably best to dip abroad like Sunderland have done with Le Bris, but would the club be willing to scour overseas, recent history suggests no. 

Fully agree, it's the big issue at the club that it's so reliant on the manager rather than a strategy from the DoF who then picks the head coach based on this to avoid constant turnover of players and style. 

 

Also, agree on giving the academy talent time - we need a coach that can develop them as well. Seems to suggest an experienced, top-level assistant coach hungry to be a manager might be the best of both worlds, like Enzo.