Plane Banner - Liverpool at home.

[Haywood_6]

My position is this - Top is accountable for the club’s current mess. I donated when the message was 'Premier Ambition, Amateur Decisions' but I also support 'King Power Out' I still respect everything he, his father, and his family have done for our club and city. I think we all do. However for many years now, Top has been incredibly naive and been placed too much trust in the wrong people and allowed the club to be run with sheer incompetence. For the record, he's almost definitely not going to sell as a result of the plane banner. But if it's a step in the right direction towards meaningful change, that's the point

[Pliskin]

14 minutes ago, GingerrrFox said:

 

I’ve seen direct messages which are people having a pop. Majority on here have been supportive but the number of people who don’t see an issue with ownership and key decision makers is crazy to me. 

There will forever be pockets of people who don’t have an ounce of critical thinking in them……. There’s conflicting situations to everything, one good doesn’t outweigh the bad in any other walk of life, so why wouldn’t it in football? The cold hard facts are the club have royally cocked up a situation that would have been easier not to cock up given the decade we’ve just had….. anyone who can’t see this, is either in denial, or genuinely doesn’t understand the situation. 

[Qwerty]

I think there’s something distasteful and disrespectful about flying a banner saying King Power Out through the very airspace in which the chairman’s helicopter lost control, and people died.  I’m absolutely in favour of criticising the board and the recent running of the club, and as a businessman Top should be able to take this.  But telling his Dad’s company to **** off over the place where his Dad died is really poor form in my opinion.

[LCFCJohn]

36 minutes ago, GingerrrFox said:

Knowing @ozvaldo on a personal level. He takes no delight in having to protest against our football club. He loves Leicester City like I’m sure we all do. The majority of donations came in after the change to “King Power Out” and if people aren’t happy he’s said repeatedly if anyone wants their donation back then it will be refunded to you.
 

I don’t understand the personal abuse and shit talking to a fan who is simply fed up of the status quo and is doing what he can to try and force some change to a club that is deteriorating before our eyes. Seems we have a good number of keyboard warriors in our fanbase who will call their own but won’t help to hold an ownership to account that is neglecting the club by allowing incompetent people to keep earning 6 figures despite their inability to run this football club correctly. 

I can only imagine the keyboard warriors sending abusive direct messages are those types on the Facebook pages or a couple of posters on this forum who have been vocal against any action. For what it’s worth, I think they deserve naming and shaming but probably legalities around that…

 

I actually think this thread itself has been a health discussion. I haven’t seen anyone saying they are against the plane banner idea. There’s been a couple of borderline comments between a couple of individuals but not at Osvaldo.

 

I think people are just really keen for this to make the right impact. It’s an incredible effort from @ozvaldoto have raised that much in what, little over 24 hours? We all just want it to be a success and the discussion about the right message should be a health one.

[foxtillidrop]

I would be mindful and respectful to Top who lost his father in an air accident at the KP...

 

Top and the board are only human at the end of the day...

 

I'm sure he knows things aren't great but his hands are tied with the new psr rules. These are complex rules and were probably designed to stop clubs like us from having the recent success we've enjoyed...

 

 

[Lako42]

7 minutes ago, Qwerty said:

I think there’s something distasteful and disrespectful about flying a banner saying King Power Out through the very airspace in which the chairman’s helicopter lost control, and people died.  I’m absolutely in favour of criticising the board and the recent running of the club, and as a businessman Top should be able to take this.  But telling his Dad’s company to **** off over the place where his Dad died is really poor form in my opinion.

I think you are wrong

[Legend_in_blue]

7 minutes ago, Qwerty said:

I think there’s something distasteful and disrespectful about flying a banner saying King Power Out through the very airspace in which the chairman’s helicopter lost control, and people died.  I’m absolutely in favour of criticising the board and the recent running of the club, and as a businessman Top should be able to take this.  But telling his Dad’s company to **** off over the place where his Dad died is really poor form in my opinion.

Agree and it's likely to sow more division amongst the crowd at the game.

 

They say read the room.  Read the stadium.  It won't be pretty.

[grobyfox1990]

4 hours ago, Qwerty said:

We'll be a laughing stock.  

Guaranteed all other teams fans will think we're sad losers who can't appreciate what we've had.  The media will home in on the apparent ingratitude of a fanbase who are turning on the owners, at the very ground where Vichai died.  The focus will be totally shifted away from the inadequacies of management, and comparisons will be drawn with the days when flowers were laid outside the stadium.  And the people at the top will just roll their eyes and think the fans don't know what they're talking about. 

The original message was clear, intelligent, and prompted debate and thought.

King Power Out just makes us sound petulant. 

Don’t know if this is naivety or plane (get it) crackers but how on earth do you think the media are going to spend time talking about the inadequacies of club management. Ofc they won’t. Any small club that won the league 9 years flying a protest plane over the stadium makes us a laughing stock and petulant, I thought that’d be obvious. The snippet and sound bite the media need will be provided whatever the plane says

 

Edited 19 March by grobyfox1990

[STEVIE B]

1 hour ago, 5waller5 said:

Exactly. It’s a positive statement attributed to nobody, so Top / the media will attribute it as they wish. It will be understood as “despite their ambitions the board have been criticised for their execution”

 

It’s a let off they don’t deserve

What about a question mark after it.....as in 'Premier Ambitions ? Amateur Decisions'. 

Edited 19 March by STEVIE B

[5waller5]

24 minutes ago, Qwerty said:

I think there’s something distasteful and disrespectful about flying a banner saying King Power Out through the very airspace in which the chairman’s helicopter lost control, and people died.  I’m absolutely in favour of criticising the board and the recent running of the club, and as a businessman Top should be able to take this.  But telling his Dad’s company to **** off over the place where his Dad died is really poor form in my opinion.

Fair point

[Bristol fox ....]

Personally i think Top needs a short sharp shock and if this banner achieves that then im ok with it.

Im not king power out far from it as i do believe with the right leadership we can get back to the good times that we all had but that leadership needs to grow some bollox and make some tough decisions.

king power have given me the best 10 yrs of my footballing life and that was achieved by very hard work and pulling together from vichai all the way down to the tea lady.

 

 

Edited 19 March by Bristol fox ....

[Freeman's Wharfer]

28 minutes ago, Qwerty said:

I think there’s something distasteful and disrespectful about flying a banner saying King Power Out through the very airspace in which the chairman’s helicopter lost control, and people died.  I’m absolutely in favour of criticising the board and the recent running of the club, and as a businessman Top should be able to take this.  But telling his Dad’s company to **** off over the place where his Dad died is really poor form in my opinion.

Wow. Talk about trying to find extra meaning when it is not there and doing absolute gymnastics to be offended.

 

You could use the helicopter tragedy to give the family a free pass for eternity at that stadium.

 

Your numerous posts in this thread campaigning against the message show your hand. It’s now pretty desperate to play this card.

[Stadt]

We can’t be beholden to what the media to or other fans think. We support our club and as fans we’ll do what’s best for it. 

[Lako42]

27 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

Agree and it's likely to sow more division amongst the crowd at the game.

 

They say read the room.  Read the stadium.  It won't be pretty.

It's interesting that people like you think protesters should read the room and not upset people yet the the protest is happening purely because the hierarchy of the club refuse to do so. 

 

 

[OldBob]

I know this will get hate but I think as much as the decision making has been poor and the fact we have gone from being a top 6 club to being relegated twice nearly, but for what the King Power have done for this club completely obliterates the negatives. Yes, We have an owner who is being incompetent through lack of business experience which has resulted in being too loyal to Rudkin and others by not sacking them. But this isn’t a case of him not loving the club still like some owners of other clubs have done.
I take the view put pressure on him to make the hard decisions but don’t completely through him and the family business into the mud by displaying this banner. As well as someone else pointed out it being the same airspace his dads helicopter situation happened, it just makes us as a fanbase look a bit of joke to be honest.

This is from someone who has not enjoyed the football style since 2017 and thought the countless managers we have employed haven’t embodied the football this club has built success on with Ranieri and Pearson and even to the O’Neill days. 

[Spiritwalker]

5 hours ago, AKCJ said:

I would be open to King Power staying if they were to sack Rudkin and Whelan and replace them with people with top class experience in those roles.

 

But if they're not willing to do that (and it doesn't look like they are) then they need to go.

Would this fit on the banner though?

[KFS]

Classic British overthinking going on in here, but congrats on writing the shock and awe article for some resident snake from the media. 

[RedSoxUK]

1 hour ago, Qwerty said:

I think there’s something distasteful and disrespectful about flying a banner saying King Power Out through the very airspace in which the chairman’s helicopter lost control, and people died.  I’m absolutely in favour of criticising the board and the recent running of the club, and as a businessman Top should be able to take this.  But telling his Dad’s company to **** off over the place where his Dad died is really poor form in my opinion.

Just checking what part of the west stand you sit in with your flask mate.

[Skidmark]

Go on lad.

 

Osvaldo on a crusade to save the club. 

 

Oh sh*t. Used the word crusade. Those Medievalists will be fuming. Eugh. Can't please everyone. 

[Saigon Fox]

7 hours ago, Qwerty said:

Saying "King Power Out" is like saying you want the head teacher of a school sacked because one of the teachers is shit. 

 

For protests to be successful they have to be intelligent, logical, sensible and well though out.  KING POWER OUT is like a drunken rant on a Saturday night, not a sensible objection. 

As a Headteacher, I thank you for your comment!

[Philkeavo]

2 hours ago, 5waller5 said:

I think you’ve taken his post as support for your view when it isn’t.

 

“Premier Ambition” at best is woolly and clumsy, but at worst gives the board credit for their ambition …. Why??
 

Blimey what’s got you so exercised, it’s just my view which is just as valid as yours, which I don’t disagree with on personal level. It’s just that I think it will not land with the wider public or the passive, KP loving element of our fanbase. The point is that the club's 'premier ambition' is rendered laughable by their consistent 'amateur decisions.'
It's a textbook example of incompetence.

[adejo92]

In no way shape or form is a plane flying a banner disrespectful to a helicopter crash.

 

Top clearly still appreciates aircraft seing as he manages to travel on one to Thailand every time we have an important game / something controversial approaching.

 

Some people just have to find a reason to be offended.

[accessory]

11 hours ago, Foxin_Mad said:

It wasnt Vichai either

 

He got lucky

 

He was as inept as his son.

 

He employed Whelan

He employed Rudkin

 

The club has always been badly ran since they took over.

 

Anything good was put in place by Pearson and refreshed by Puel, since Puel left its gone down hill consistently. 

 

We need to stop believing this was anything to do with a corrupt bunch who got successful in Thailand by backhanding the authorities. They have NO idea how to run a business in a free market country. 

This post brings to the surface some of the undercurrents that have been swirling around for months.  And they're not pleasant.

 

If King Power really HAD run the club badly since 2010, we would never have reached the Premier League, let alone won it.

 

After Pearson's departure, we moved onwards and upwards.  He didn't. He's been a "specialist in failure" (© Jose Mourinho) ever since.

 

Rodgers developed the squad assembled by Puel and took it back to the top 6 before his ego caused him to become restless.

 

The reality is, as most outside this forum recognise, that Vichai and Aiyawatt have invested more in Leicester City than EVERY other owner combined in the club's history.

 

In Vichai's case, he also made the ultimate sacrifice, a fact many on this thread seem happy to overlook. That statue stands outside the stadium for a reason. It would be an act of unbelievable disrespect to take it down.

 

A section of the fanbase have never taken to the club being in Asian hands. They can club together for token gestures if they wish, but 200 folk (max) will never be seen - by the media or anyone else - as speaking for a fanbase of 30k+.

[ozvaldo]

22 minutes ago, Skidmark said:

Go on lad.

 

Osvaldo on a crusade to save the club. 

 

Oh sh*t. Used the word crusade. Those Medievalists will be fuming. Eugh. Can't please everyone. 

I’m just one man, dodging offended grown men, trying to send a message to Top that will actually make him feel something, whilst I dish out refunds!

 

Note to self: don’t do this again for Christ sake. 

[Heskey2011]

54 minutes ago, Freeman's Wharfer said:

Wow. Talk about trying to find extra meaning when it is not there and doing absolute gymnastics to be offended.

 

You could use the helicopter tragedy to give the family a free pass for eternity at that stadium.

 

Your numerous posts in this thread campaigning against the message show your hand. It’s now pretty desperate to play this card.

Nahh come on man, there's a memorial garden for his dad right there, he spent loads of time with his dad in the stadium, it's out of order and just lazy to put all the blame on Top and KingPower,  I'm sure it will make him feel ashamed, until someone points to the hundreds of people on Facebook etc who think we are acting like spoilt kids by wanting King Power gone.