Danny Rohl - incoming?

[Ric Flair]

1 hour ago, coolhandfox said:

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

 

I don't see Wilder or Dyche unless we are about turning on wanting to play a possession based approach which we have had since Puel.

I don't see it being Dyche as he'd probably cost more than Rohl anyway. 

[Claudio Fannieri]

Our managerial recruitment over the past 2 years just sums up how limited we are in terms of genuine football intelligence, there is little in the way of innovative thinking, it literally is out of work, English based, represented by certain agent(s) and have they sounded us out about it. And we wonder why we have fallen so far ……even Enzo probably wouldn’t have got the gig if he wasn’t represented by John Morris. 
 

We desperately need fresh ideas and thinking because currently it’s all so stale. I am desperate that it’s Rohl but have a horrid sinking feeling like last summer we get impatient and plump for Wilder or Dyche and yet another meh appointment. 

[Tommy Fresh]

1 hour ago, Sly said:

Yes, we always hire with “UK experience” it would seem.

Terzic would be similar to Enzo wouldn't he? Was at West Ham with Bilic

[Iwebema]

55 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

Our managerial recruitment over the past 2 years just sums up how limited we are in terms of genuine football intelligence, there is little in the way of innovative thinking, it literally is out of work, English based, represented by certain agent(s) and have they sounded us out about it. And we wonder why we have fallen so far ……even Enzo probably wouldn’t have got the gig if he wasn’t represented by John Morris. 
 

We desperately need fresh ideas and thinking because currently it’s all so stale. I am desperate that it’s Rohl but have a horrid sinking feeling like last summer we get impatient and plump for Wilder or Dyche and yet another meh appointment. 

It is painful watching us get our pants constantly pulled down by agents and we just carry on as if its just normal. We are all trying to fill the communication void, which is leading to doom mongering.

I think its fairly obvious Rohl is the target hence the delay. But you are quite right Dyche and Wilder will be on the "this is taking too long" list because they have good standing with Rudkin.

 

I honestly would rather just give it to King and hope it works out than either Dyche or Wilder personally. But if we have to have one of the 2 its Dyche by some distance. Wilder just operates like lower league manager and only had a bit of success because it was his club. Dyche I think can at least be a success, my worry is at what cost (blocking out youth and lumbering us with more old mercenaries) 

[Brainy]

2 hours ago, Sly said:

I’m really hoping they’re negotiating hard with Edin Terzic. 
 

Wilder would be a disaster waiting to happen. 
 

I see a slight chance we stick with Andy King, I really do. 

Devils advocate here..... Can someone tell me why he'd be a disaster? Same with Dyche and the likes which is causing everybody to have a breakdown? What actually is a disaster for us over the next year or two? Mid table? Not going back up at the first attempt? I think things would have to turn pretty disastrous for that to happen under these names, and is it really any less likely to happen under Rohl?

 

What is it about Wilder at this level and his most recent season here which spells disaster? I feel to some we're still seen as a mid table-lower top half PL club and we are above these appointments. 

 

No matter who we appoint I think it's highly unlikely we will start 27/28 in the PL as a 2nd year club. 

 

Before I get accused of being a dinosaur, I'll point out my stance on it is I'd rather Rohl or somebody outside the box like the Bodo manager (tad unrealistic), because at this level with our squad/facilities we can probably get away with taking a risk. Going for a "boring" option I don't think means we're less likely to go up. Certainly don't think it gives us less of a chance to stay up in the PL either, especially Dyche. And as far as Rohl goes, doing well at a certain level of a league does not guarantee success when they start managing at the other end of it, there are many examples of it. Part of the temptation with him is that he hasn't yet failed. 

[Sly]

18 minutes ago, Iwebema said:

It is painful watching us get our pants constantly pulled down by agents and we just carry on as if its just normal. We are all trying to fill the communication void, which is leading to doom mongering.

I think its fairly obvious Rohl is the target hence the delay. But you are quite right Dyche and Wilder will be on the "this is taking too long" list because they have good standing with Rudkin.

 

I honestly would rather just give it to King and hope it works out than either Dyche or Wilder personally. But if we have to have one of the 2 its Dyche by some distance. Wilder just operates like lower league manager and only had a bit of success because it was his club. Dyche I think can at least be a success, my worry is at what cost (blocking out youth and lumbering us with more old mercenaries) 

Agents are the equivalent of Job Recruiters, unfortunately they have a wider net and are a necessary evil, that no one particularly likes. 
 

*I apologise to any recruiters who I may have offended with this comment*

[Sly]

Just now, Brainy said:

Devils advocate here..... Can someone tell me why he'd be a disaster? Same with Dyche and the likes which is causing everybody to have a breakdown? What actually is a disaster for us over the next year or two? Mid table? Not going back up at the first attempt? I think things would have to turn pretty disastrous for that to happen under these names, and is it really any less likely to happen under Rohl?

 

What is it about Wilder at this level and his most recent season here which spells disaster? I feel to some we're still seen as a mid table-lower top half PL club and we are above these appointments. 

 

No matter who we appoint I think it's highly unlikely we will start 27/28 in the PL as a 2nd year club. 

 

Before I get accused of being a dinosaur, I'll point out my stance on it is I'd rather Rohl or somebody outside the box like the Bodo manager (tad unrealistic), because at this level with our squad/facilities we can probably get away with taking a risk. Going for a "boring" option I don't think means we're less likely to go up. Certainly don't think it gives us less of a chance to stay up in the PL either, especially Dyche. And as far as Rohl goes, doing well at a certain level of a league does not guarantee success when they start managing at the other end of it, there are many examples of it. Part of the temptation with him is that he hasn't yet failed. 

The reason I believe it would be a disaster, is primarily around the entire youth setup and current first time players we have, aren’t setup for a coach like Wilder.

 

I still think coaches like Wilder and Dyche have a massive part to play in the game, similar to Simeone at Atletico, however you need the tools to do the job correctly.

 

It’s a bit like building an extension and using knifes, forks, spoons and a meat slicer as the tools to do it. 

[jayfox26]

6 minutes ago, Brainy said:

Devils advocate here..... Can someone tell me why he'd be a disaster? Same with Dyche and the likes which is causing everybody to have a breakdown? What actually is a disaster for us over the next year or two? Mid table? Not going back up at the first attempt? I think things would have to turn pretty disastrous for that to happen under these names, and is it really any less likely to happen under Rohl?

 

What is it about Wilder at this level and his most recent season here which spells disaster? I feel to some we're still seen as a mid table-lower top half PL club and we are above these appointments. 

 

No matter who we appoint I think it's highly unlikely we will start 27/28 in the PL as a 2nd year club. 

 

Before I get accused of being a dinosaur, I'll point out my stance on it is I'd rather Rohl or somebody outside the box like the Bodo manager (tad unrealistic), because at this level with our squad/facilities we can probably get away with taking a risk. Going for a "boring" option I don't think means we're less likely to go up. Certainly don't think it gives us less of a chance to stay up in the PL either, especially Dyche. And as far as Rohl goes, doing well at a certain level of a league does not guarantee success when they start managing at the other end of it, there are many examples of it. Part of the temptation with him is that he hasn't yet failed. 

I think it's a case of we want a long term plan and not to keep sacking managers. Maresca was a long term plan but unfortunately got poached and then Cooper and RVN were both disasters. Whilst Dyche and Wilder may do ok for now, would they be a long term choice for us? Not sure. Rohl is a gamble in many ways but we'd hope that if he hit the ground running like Enzo (and doesn't get poached) that he could be here for a few years. We need to get out of this cycle of sacking coaches, it costs money we just haven't got. That's my opinion anyway.

[smudgerfox]

2 minutes ago, jayfox26 said:

I think it's a case of we want a long term plan and not to keep sacking managers. Maresca was a long term plan but unfortunately got poached and then Cooper and RVN were both disasters. Whilst Dyche and Wilder may do ok for now, would they be a long term choice for us? Not sure. Rohl is a gamble in many ways but we'd hope that if he hit the ground running like Enzo (and doesn't get poached) that he could be here for a few years. We need to get out of this cycle of sacking coaches, it costs money we just haven't got. That's my opinion anyway.

Can we afford long term?  

[JimmyC74]

16 minutes ago, Brainy said:

Devils advocate here..... Can someone tell me why he'd be a disaster? Same with Dyche and the likes which is causing everybody to have a breakdown? What actually is a disaster for us over the next year or two? Mid table? Not going back up at the first attempt? I think things would have to turn pretty disastrous for that to happen under these names, and is it really any less likely to happen under Rohl?

 

What is it about Wilder at this level and his most recent season here which spells disaster? I feel to some we're still seen as a mid table-lower top half PL club and we are above these appointments. 

 

No matter who we appoint I think it's highly unlikely we will start 27/28 in the PL as a 2nd year club. 

 

Before I get accused of being a dinosaur, I'll point out my stance on it is I'd rather Rohl or somebody outside the box like the Bodo manager (tad unrealistic), because at this level with our squad/facilities we can probably get away with taking a risk. Going for a "boring" option I don't think means we're less likely to go up. Certainly don't think it gives us less of a chance to stay up in the PL either, especially Dyche. And as far as Rohl goes, doing well at a certain level of a league does not guarantee success when they start managing at the other end of it, there are many examples of it. Part of the temptation with him is that he hasn't yet failed. 

Re Wilder in no particular order

- He has a dodgy record with transfers - see Rhian Brewster £23.5m

- Outside of Sheff Utd his win rate in the Championship is weak. At Middlesborough he won 2/11 in 2022/23 season and fans were v.happy to see him gone.

- failed in the Prem.

- He is reportedly old school and doesn't believe in data science.

Edited 6 July 2025 by JimmyC74

[Brainy]

5 minutes ago, jayfox26 said:

I think it's a case of we want a long term plan and not to keep sacking managers. Maresca was a long term plan but unfortunately got poached and then Cooper and RVN were both disasters. Whilst Dyche and Wilder may do ok for now, would they be a long term choice for us? Not sure. Rohl is a gamble in many ways but we'd hope that if he hit the ground running like Enzo (and doesn't get poached) that he could be here for a few years. We need to get out of this cycle of sacking coaches, it costs money we just haven't got. That's my opinion anyway.

If we're +8pts adrift in December/January in the PL in 2027 under Rohl, do we sack him or is he still the long term project? Doesn't take much for our fans to want a manager out, were some morons wanting Maresca out in our sticky patch near the end of that season

[Iwebema]

7 minutes ago, jayfox26 said:

I think it's a case of we want a long term plan and not to keep sacking managers. Maresca was a long term plan but unfortunately got poached and then Cooper and RVN were both disasters. Whilst Dyche and Wilder may do ok for now, would they be a long term choice for us? Not sure. Rohl is a gamble in many ways but we'd hope that if he hit the ground running like Enzo (and doesn't get poached) that he could be here for a few years. We need to get out of this cycle of sacking coaches, it costs money we just haven't got. That's my opinion anyway.

Agree its ceiling vs floor debate

 

Wilder = low floor, low ceiling

Dyche = high floor, low ceiling 

Rohl = low floor, high ceiling

 

But when you overlay the fact we dont appear to be able to sign many players and we will be reliant on, a very good, youth academy, it would make the appointment of Wilder/Dyche even more misaligned with what should be our long term vision. Wilder particularly hates data analytics and operates clubs like a Sunday league team, there are of course traits in that which are useful, but football is moving well beyond him at the top level.

 

Rohl offers us the best chance at something long term and strategic, but obviously comes with risk that he may not work out. 

 

One thing to consider is if we absolutely have to get promoted year 1 because our finances are in such a mess then you do have to think that Dyche would be the option, its hard to see him failing in the championship with the squad we have.

 

And we should say these options are the only 3 we are discussing because our board are so limited in their football intelligence, there are much better options out there who offer more, but we simply wont look.

[Brainy]

2 minutes ago, JimmyC74 said:

Re Wilder in no particular order

- He has a dodgy record with transfers - see Rhian Brewster £23.5m

- Outside of Sheff Utd his win rate in the Championship is weak. At Middlesborough he won 2/11 in 2022/23 season and fans were v.happy to see him gone.

- failed in the Prem.

- He is reportedly old school and doesn't believe in data science.

- will fit us like a glove then

- "if you take out his good stats, his remaining stats are really bad" (that narrative stinks of Nige btw, nailed it at one club but not done much elsewhere)

- this one particularly irks me. So should our next manager have succeeded in the PL? Or does somebody like Rohl with no experience in the PL get a free pass on that? Because if his first year of PL is with us then the chances are his record is going to be worse than someone like Dyche's. Wilder has failed at teams you'd expect him to fail at. Granted he'd be with us who you'd also expect to fail

[Ricey]

24 minutes ago, Brainy said:

Devils advocate here..... Can someone tell me why he'd be a disaster? Same with Dyche and the likes which is causing everybody to have a breakdown? What actually is a disaster for us over the next year or two? Mid table? Not going back up at the first attempt? I think things would have to turn pretty disastrous for that to happen under these names, and is it really any less likely to happen under Rohl?

 

What is it about Wilder at this level and his most recent season here which spells disaster? I feel to some we're still seen as a mid table-lower top half PL club and we are above these appointments. 

 

No matter who we appoint I think it's highly unlikely we will start 27/28 in the PL as a 2nd year club. 

 

Before I get accused of being a dinosaur, I'll point out my stance on it is I'd rather Rohl or somebody outside the box like the Bodo manager (tad unrealistic), because at this level with our squad/facilities we can probably get away with taking a risk. Going for a "boring" option I don't think means we're less likely to go up. Certainly don't think it gives us less of a chance to stay up in the PL either, especially Dyche. And as far as Rohl goes, doing well at a certain level of a league does not guarantee success when they start managing at the other end of it, there are many examples of it. Part of the temptation with him is that he hasn't yet failed. 

Managers aren’t like players, they don’t have a clear ability level. With players you can see what level they should be playing at, but with Managers compatibility with a club/squad plays a much bigger part.

 

Wilder and Dyche feel like a bad fit for a club looking to start building a new pathway over the next 4 or 5 years. A club with one of the best training grounds in Europe and, what seems like, a generational group of young players emerging.

 

Dyche and Wilder are old school, traditional managers. They can be effective, but only when the circumstances are right.

[DezFox]

1 hour ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

Our managerial recruitment over the past 2 years just sums up how limited we are in terms of genuine football intelligence, there is little in the way of innovative thinking, it literally is out of work, English based, represented by certain agent(s) and have they sounded us out about it. And we wonder why we have fallen so far ……even Enzo probably wouldn’t have got the gig if he wasn’t represented by John Morris. 
 

We desperately need fresh ideas and thinking because currently it’s all so stale. I am desperate that it’s Rohl but have a horrid sinking feeling like last summer we get impatient and plump for Wilder or Dyche and yet another meh appointment. 

Exactly my thoughts although articulated better than me. It shows nothing will change until there is a compete change of strategy, personale and direction. 😡

[Sankey93]

Welcome Chris Wilder

Welcome Rhian Brewster

[Ric Flair]

51 minutes ago, Sly said:

The reason I believe it would be a disaster, is primarily around the entire youth setup and current first time players we have, aren’t setup for a coach like Wilder.

 

I still think coaches like Wilder and Dyche have a massive part to play in the game, similar to Simeone at Atletico, however you need the tools to do the job correctly.

 

It’s a bit like building an extension and using knifes, forks, spoons and a meat slicer as the tools to do it. 

Wilder has put his faith in academy players in the past, as recent as the last 18 months where he built his side around 3-4 of them. For that reason i'm not as horrified as some.

[Finnegan]

2 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

I don't see it being Dyche as he'd probably cost more than Rohl anyway. 

 

This is true. Everyone gets hung up on the fee and forgets the wages which are always the biggest issue. 

 

But more simply than that, it won't be Dyche because Top will see him the same way everyone else does, as playing anti-football. 

 

It's not his vision for the club. 

 

[ceebeefox]

1 hour ago, smudgerfox said:

Can we afford long term?  

Is there such thing as long term? They’re either sacked or poached within 2 years. NP was our one and only Fergie like club man, they don’t exist anymore sadly. 

[daddylonglegs]

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[MattFox]

2 hours ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

Our managerial recruitment over the past 2 years just sums up how limited we are in terms of genuine football intelligence, there is little in the way of innovative thinking, it literally is out of work, English based, represented by certain agent(s) and have they sounded us out about it. And we wonder why we have fallen so far ……even Enzo probably wouldn’t have got the gig if he wasn’t represented by John Morris. 
 

We desperately need fresh ideas and thinking because currently it’s all so stale. I am desperate that it’s Rohl but have a horrid sinking feeling like last summer we get impatient and plump for Wilder or Dyche and yet another meh appointment. 

It’s been the story over the last 10 years not the last 2 years though

 

Only different one’s was Rodgers who basically offered himself to the club and Pearson who the birch told KP to bring back 

 

[Bluearmyfox28]

Just hope these recent rumours are to put pressure on Rohl or sheff wed to get things done.

[brookfox]

Blows my mind that clubs will pay big fees for a player then try and scrimp on a manager. A good manager can turn a £10m player into a £20m one and a bad manager the opposite. Probably the most important person at a club so if I were an owner it’s the one area I’d pay what I could for the best person available.

[jayfox26]

1 hour ago, smudgerfox said:

Can we afford long term?  

When I say long term, I'm not saying go all Chelsea and give Rohl an 8 year deal but we need to look beyond 6-12 months, we simply can't keep sacking managers like we have last season. If a manager gets poached like Enzo, yes it's frustrating but it means they've done well and we reap financial benefits in compensation. Out of the 3 mentioned, I'd also argue Rohl may be the cheapest wages wise. 

[RedSoxUK]

Today's the day lads!!!

 

Here we gooooo