Sean Dyche

[kingfox]

4 minutes ago, cityfanlee23 said:

They went from Category 3 to Category 2 under Dyche after they failed their Category 1 audit in his final year. There are plenty of clubs in the Championship with category one academies. 
But academy categories are not audited based on the talent they produce. Yeah, it's great that under Dyche the academy improved, but they clearly made very little effort to take advantage of that category improvement through actually signing young players from around the country or abroad to benefit from it. You can have the best academy in world football but if you are not actively signing players aged 15-18, what's the point?

One of the key differences between Category 2 and Category 1 is the level of funding available and resources for that Academy, Burnley failed that audit in his final year. 

He had 10 years, 1bn in revenue, and an improvement in the category rating, and nothing to show for it.

Burnley have actually been awarded Category 1 academy status today https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cm26llydm8po

 

So they didn’t have category 1 status during Kompany’s era either, are people gonna blame him too? 

[cityfanlee23]

Just now, kingfox said:

Burnley have actually been awarded Category 1 academy status today https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cm26llydm8po

 

So they didn’t have category 1 status during Kompany’s era either, are people gonna blame him too? 

Right but that category 1 status was nothing to do with Dyche, the facilities were declining at the end of Dyche's time in charge. They went from category 3 to category 2, got category 1 for two seasons before failing the audit under Dyche's management. Under Kompany they went on a firesale of Dyche's players and brought in loads of players under the age of 25, with many of them 22 or under. There is absolutely no doubt the youth facilities at Burnley improved between the day Dyche arrived and the day he left, but it's also true that burnley very clearly failed to take any advantage of that academy improvement because in 10 years they produced nobody with over 1bn coming into the club. There are 6 championship clubs with Category one status, and most of them have produced players who have gone on to the top flight in recent years, burnley have barely produced anyone of note for a decade. 

Now, maybe Dyche was absolutely hammering at the board for massive investment into the youth academy and they kept ignoring him, who knows, but all we do know is under Dyche their transfer policy was not focused on bringing youth players or even under 21 players to the club in order to progress them through the academy. 

Just to clarify, I'm open to Dyche being here, providing we set the right structure in place to focus on bringing through youth players and making sure we sign players 26 or under in general, but I'm concerned by Dyche's poor track record with promoting youth or buying youth into the Burnley academy, Burnley should have been the perfect stepping stone for a young player who has been released by the top academies, or young players in the league 1/Championship academies to come and get a proper chance, as far as I can see that rarely happened. 

[kingfox]

26 minutes ago, cityfanlee23 said:

Right but that category 1 status was nothing to do with Dyche, the facilities were declining at the end of Dyche's time in charge. They went from category 3 to category 2, got category 1 for two seasons before failing the audit under Dyche's management. Under Kompany they went on a firesale of Dyche's players and brought in loads of players under the age of 25, with many of them 22 or under. There is absolutely no doubt the youth facilities at Burnley improved between the day Dyche arrived and the day he left, but it's also true that burnley very clearly failed to take any advantage of that academy improvement because in 10 years they produced nobody with over 1bn coming into the club. There are 6 championship clubs with Category one status, and most of them have produced players who have gone on to the top flight in recent years, burnley have barely produced anyone of note for a decade. 

Now, maybe Dyche was absolutely hammering at the board for massive investment into the youth academy and they kept ignoring him, who knows, but all we do know is under Dyche their transfer policy was not focused on bringing youth players or even under 21 players to the club in order to progress them through the academy. 

Just to clarify, I'm open to Dyche being here, providing we set the right structure in place to focus on bringing through youth players and making sure we sign players 26 or under in general, but I'm concerned by Dyche's poor track record with promoting youth or buying youth into the Burnley academy, Burnley should have been the perfect stepping stone for a young player who has been released by the top academies, or young players in the league 1/Championship academies to come and get a proper chance, as far as I can see that rarely happened. 

As I posted yesterday 

 

Of course Burnley have had a change of ownership which has clearly played a part in their academy improvement. Some fans though tend to solely blame Dyche on Burnley’s academy not being up to standard in the past. All you need to do is go through their squads from his era, the quality of academy products just weren’t at his disposal, is Dyche to blame for that too? He isn’t going to thrust 4-5 youth players into the mix for Premier League football, when those youngsters were clearly of League 1 standard or lower, and the trajectory of most of Burnley’s academy players during that time proves that. 
 

Take this season for instance, at Everton, Dyche gave two youth players a chance in the first team, nobody will dare mention it though. Since he left, one of those players hasn’t featured under Moyes, the other got sent on loan to Derby, what does that show you. 
 

When the academy talent just isn’t there for managers, what are they meant to do? 
 

Your mate Danny Rohl is a decent example, Sheff Wed have one of the oldest squads in the Championship, he has relied heavily on numerous 30+ year olds. 
 

Who says he wouldn’t do the exact same at Leicester, it’s just virtually impossible to judge. 
 

Dyche is the same. I branded him as some experienced loving merchant, but when you strip things back, that’s not really the case. He’s signed and developed players in the past 24 or younger, and gained decent profit on some of them. Who says he wouldn’t do similar at Leicester. 
 

Fans just tend to view managers in the wrong way when it comes to different aspects, I’ve been guilty of it. 
 

Are there managers out there who will for sure focus heavily on youth, of course, Regis Le Bris is a great example. That’s the route I’d love us to go down, but let’s be honest, it wouldn’t be a surprise if we went the promotion history route and appoint someone like Dyche, who knows what he’d bring in terms of squad development, but to say he’ll sign a bunch of journeymen and nothing else, his history suggests that statement simply doesn’t add up. 

[HankMarvin]

2 hours ago, cityfanlee23 said:

They went from Category 3 to Category 2 under Dyche until 2020 when they were initially granted category 1, after just 2 seasons they lost it after failing their Category 1 audit in his final year. There are plenty of clubs in the Championship with category one academies. 
But academy categories are not audited based on the talent they produce. Yeah, it's great that under Dyche the academy improved, but they clearly made very little effort to take advantage of that category improvement through actually signing young players from around the country or abroad to benefit from it. You can have the best academy in world football but if you are not actively signing players aged 15-18, what's the point?

One of the key differences between Category 2 and Category 1 is the level of funding available and resources for that Academy, Burnley failed that audit in his final yea

He had 10 years, 1bn in revenue, and an improvement in the category rating, and nothing to show for it.

 

While there has been a lot of good work from a lot of good people at the club, the rise to Category One status, on top of the building of a new state of the art training facility, and with the club about to embark on a fifth-successive Premier League season, it adds up to some legacy on and off the pitch for Dyche.

Dyche hailed those who have helped bring the academy up to the top level - remarkable progress from the time he arrived in October 2012: “I think a lot of the planning and work has been done by many here, not just me, has probably developed the club beyond where people thought it could go when I first got here, I’m sure of that.

 

 

regardless if they lost it, isn’t that improving it from 3 to 1 during his tenure.

[whoareyaaa]

If we get dyche you know it will be Ayew and Ried on the wing

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

If we get dyche you know it will be Ayew and Ried on the wing

I reckon they'll be invigorated with Joel Ward on the overlap and some big lump of shit target man to play off

[Pliskin]

8 hours ago, 80footgiraffe said:

Get Puel in

 

I’d take Puel over Dyche. Puel can actually put a side together. His ceiling is just not very high. 

[davieG]

Sean Dyche’s managerial record (via TransferMarkt)
Division	Matches	Wins	Draws	Losses	PPG	Win percentage
Premier League	332	93	91	148	1.11	28%
Championship	171	79	57	35	1.72	46%

 

 

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/leicester-city-urged-to-avoid-sean-dyche-appointment-in-favour-of-enzo-maresca-esque-hire/

[Finnegan]

11 hours ago, whoareyaaa said:

If we get dyche you know it will be Ayew and Ried on the wing

 

Tbh Ayew might be a bit too fancy and exotic for Sean. 

 

[Ric Flair]

Delighted it's a Sheffield Utd and Sunderland playoff final. Two teams who've built their sides around a core group of academy players and young signings. 

 

If we do that, there'll be minimal complaints from me.

[volpeazzurro]

12 hours ago, Guest said:

I reckon they'll be invigorated with Joel Ward on the overlap and some big lump of shit target man to play off

There's always a place for a big lump of shit, it could be a viable alternative to Dysentery Daka who despite promising runs, rarely produces anything solid at the end!

[Finnegan]

2 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

Delighted it's a Sheffield Utd and Sunderland playoff final. Two teams who've built their sides around a core group of academy players and young signings. 

 

If we do that, there'll be minimal complaints from me.

 

James Tarkowski (8m) and Neal Maupay (10m) incoming. 

 

[kingfox]

18 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

James Tarkowski (8m) and Neal Maupay (10m) incoming. 

 

5m incoming

[Finnegan]

3 minutes ago, kingfox said:

5m incoming

 

I'm going to get @Mark to ban you if you keep this up. 

 

[kingfox]

11 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

I'm going to get @Mark to ban you if you keep this up. 

 

Apologies mate

[dsr-burnley]

18 hours ago, cityfanlee23 said:

They went from Category 3 to Category 2 under Dyche until 2020 when they were initially granted category 1, after just 2 seasons they lost it after failing their Category 1 audit in his final year. There are plenty of clubs in the Championship with category one academies. 
But academy categories are not audited based on the talent they produce. Yeah, it's great that under Dyche the academy improved, but they clearly made very little effort to take advantage of that category improvement through actually signing young players from around the country or abroad to benefit from it. You can have the best academy in world football but if you are not actively signing players aged 15-18, what's the point?

One of the key differences between Category 2 and Category 1 is the level of funding available and resources for that Academy, Burnley failed that audit in his final yea

He had 10 years, 1bn in revenue, and an improvement in the category rating, and nothing to show for it.

 

You're overstating the duties of the 1st team manager in respect of the academy admin.  The reason we lost Category 1 is that the new owners came in and sacked the academy boss (who knew what he was doing) and replaced him with someone who didn't know what he was doing.  Dyche was not in charge of that appointment.

 

When Dyche got his first promotion to the PL, he took a large chunk of the budget that could have been used for new signings, and insisted it was spent on the training ground.  Without that, category 3 was the best that could have been hoped for - and possibly not even that.  Before Dyche, they used to meet potential new signings in Manchester to avoid showing them where they would train.  

[Wink84]

On 12/05/2025 at 17:39, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

While I posted earlier to say an absolute no to Dyche, perhaps Dyche and his no nonsense style is the man to tell Top where all the problems are…

 

 

 

 

Typical Top, two left thumbs 

[LFox99]

On 12/05/2025 at 17:21, kingfox said:

Branthwaite was 20/21 years old when Dyche gave him a chance. Tarkowski was 23 when Dyche signed him for Burnley. Collins was 20 when Dyche signed him for Burnley. 

You cannot compare a 21 yr old Branthwaiite, a 23 yr old Tarkowski and a 20 yr old Collins who had 100s of games of experience between them to a 15 yr old Monga, a 17 yr old Evans, or even Alves (despite his age, thanks to that Wolves **** he's a bit late in his development). The only one Dyche would be looking at and happy to play would probably be Nelson. 

[Wink84]

On 12/05/2025 at 22:27, HankMarvin said:

It was in response to Dyche has given no pathway to young players, then 5 minutes is not enough. 
Most of his career has been battling relegation and avoiding it,  When you are avoiding relegation by just a point in some instances. It would be a bit shortsighted  to throw on youngsters regularly just to give them minutes and weaken the clubs position in the league and your job. He has highlighted the lack of quality at Everton for example.

If Everton had Monga linked to PSG and Man City maybe he would’ve played him there to save him leaving. Has anyone posted players he has missed from any of the academies that have gone on to have top careers?

 

 

 

I'm just curious at this point. Does David Moyes have a good record of bringing through youth players? I'm thinking he gave Rooney his debut but can't think of much more. Is it more a case of certain managers will only use youth if they think they will make it and others will risk it a bit more? Which obviously comes with more risk. Are there any major top coaches that have gone on be successful by being major youth orientated?

[Wink84]

On 13/05/2025 at 03:01, Vindaloo FOX said:

You can add Troy Deeney to that list also, he got him smashing goals at Watford. He must have helped the likes of Trippiers development also i feel.

Also a young Danny Ings?

[splinterdream]

I've thought about it, i can see reason for sticking with RVN, and reasons we go with Dyche, and I'm all for Dyche. Offer him a 2 year contract, I think he'll take it, we're perfect for him. I know people moan about his football, but whilst Enzo ball got us up, we was lacking 1 thing, physicality and aggression, and Dyche will instill that. He is just about as high stock as we're gonna get, and he will really want the job living locally, so don't be walk overs when negotiating with him Top. 2 years please, he'll take it for sure

[kingfox]

53 minutes ago, LFox99 said:

You cannot compare a 21 yr old Branthwaiite, a 23 yr old Tarkowski and a 20 yr old Collins who had 100s of games of experience between them to a 15 yr old Monga, a 17 yr old Evans, or even Alves (despite his age, thanks to that Wolves **** he's a bit late in his development). The only one Dyche would be looking at and happy to play would probably be Nelson. 

I’m speaking from a pure age perspective mate. The fact is Dyche was happy to start them at 20, 21, 23 years of age, you can add Michael Keane to that list too. Where fans have been critical regarding Dyche’s willingness to use younger players, which I myself have been guilty of, that list shows that he does show willingness when younger talents are concerned. 
 

As for Monga and Evans, I’ll use Harrison Armstrong at Everton again as the perfect example. Dyche used him in the Everton first team this season at 17 years old. Who’s to say he wouldn’t view Monga and Evans in a similar manner. 
 

He might, he might not, we just don’t know, but to rule it out completely when Dyche has clearly shown willingness to use younger players in the past, I’ve come to realise that argument just doesn’t stack up, it’s just another misconception that we as fans tend to have regarding Dyche. 

[cruzFOX]

Oof dychee! Been out of the loop for a few days but it seems SD momentum is gathering. Is this really going to happen?

don’t like his style of football but was he just making the best of what he had at Burnley and Everton? I’ve watched his masterclass video and he comes across very smart and knowledgeable. He could suprise us all so let’s wait and see what happens.

[ClaphamFox]

18 minutes ago, cruzFOX said:

Oof dychee! Been out of the loop for a few days but it seems SD momentum is gathering. Is this really going to happen?

don’t like his style of football but was he just making the best of what he had at Burnley and Everton? I’ve watched his masterclass video and he comes across very smart and knowledgeable. He could suprise us all so let’s wait and see what happens.

Just because something is gathering momentum as a rumour, that doesn't mean it's gathering momentum in reality. These stories snowball as different media outlets pick them up and more people share them on social media, etc. I'd be very surprised if the club has even come close to making a decision on the managerial situation yet.

[Ricey]

 

"Play my way....442".

 

Just incase anyone still believes that the only reason Burnley and Everton played the way they did was for any reasons outside of his control.