General News Thread

[Trav Le Bleu]

3 hours ago, Bellend Sebastian said:

"previous offending included four instances of public disorder and possession of a blade"

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgz2xq7ykvo

 

As per bloody usual

 

 

 

 

3 hours ago, LCFCJohn said:

Wrong un and a danger to the public. Get him off the streets.

Crazed weapon hoarder with previous protests about crazed weapon hoarder with previous.

 

I wonder why a father of 2 lives alone with his dog?

[Jon the Hat]

10 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

I feel this was pretty inevitable before they even won and probably would be whoever was PM, in fairness. The own goal was whoever at Labour HQ decided the campaign message in the last election should be that Labour would fix the economy at all let alone within weeks of them taking office.

 

They were getting in with a sizeable majority anyway because the country was just rightfully fed up of Boris and his cabinet of corrupt and incompetent Brexiteer yes-men that had ****ed the country on Leave and COVID.

 

Labour didn't need to and shouldn't have really said much other than "we're not them." But they made unrealistic promises to fix pretty much everything and gave the opposition all the ammunition they've needed for pretty much Starmer's whole term to date.

 

Not that I particularly think he's a sensational PM but I do think he'd have looked a lot better with much different expectations. The country is ****ed, it'll take generations to fix, nobody is doing it overnight.

 

The problem is instead of using their majority to actually make some positive changes and facing the reality of where we are, they are doing very little, and not even taking the argument to the factions of the labour party.  Its so depressing.  Surely by now they can see they are heading for screwed and might as well do something.

[Voll Blau]

5 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

The problem is instead of using their majority to actually make some positive changes and facing the reality of where we are, they are doing very little, and not even taking the argument to the factions of the labour party.  Its so depressing.  Surely by now they can see they are heading for screwed and might as well do something.

They're doing decent stuff but not much of it's very showy, that's the problem.

 

Seeing a doctor has become much easier where I am since they got in, for example.

[Robo61]

17 hours ago, foxfanazer said:

No I didn't say the police were racist, I said they assumed Henry had been racist on the say so of Digwa and his family. They turned up to the scene and immediately handcuffed a young man who was on the floor clearly in distress based on what? Its not like he was even resisting arrest on the count of him being on the floor bleeding out. But the safe option for the officers is to arrest the white man on the say so of the Sikh men

 

To tell him "I don't think you have mate" when he's repeatedly telling them his been stabbed is gut wrenching

 

Other witnesses also confirmed to the officers that he'd been stabbed but they didn't seem as concerned about that little part

 

 

My apologies jumped  in too quick on the racism accusation.  However this also has no relationship to race at all,  in this case the perpetrator phoned in to allege an offence had taken place,  it is irrelevant what offence that was,  when corroborated by others on the scene,  it would not be unusual for officers to attempt an arrest.   It looked to me in those early stagers that he was resisting arrest and was acting as if intoxicated,  not unusual in stabbing cases.  

 

Where I do agree is that the officers were way to slow to recognise the man was in real distress.   I would suggest you read the summing up of the judge if you want to get a balanced view of the actions of the officers involved,  after all he has heard and seen all the evidence,  we have not.  

 

 

[ramboacdc]

More local news and being slightly selfish here as it is a member of my extended family, but if anyone has anything that could help the police here, could they contact them please? 

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/local-news/woman-90s-critically-injured-groby-10999959?int_source=breaking-news

[Trav Le Bleu]

Where is all the news about white on white crime, or black on black, or Asian on Asian?

 

These are the most common crimes, but you'd never guess that from the media.

[Jattdogg]

1 hour ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

Where is all the news about white on white crime, or black on black, or Asian on Asian?

 

These are the most common crimes, but you'd never guess that from the media.

Nobody cares about William vs Harry. Move along

[Unabomber]

I keep seeing people take the knee for Henry. Has anyone else seen this? I don’t know if it’s ironic and a piss take as it is the same people who proper kicked off about the knee a few years back. 

[Rubbersoul]

Looking back to 2020 it’s funny how crazy everyone got. Doesn’t feel real 😂

Edited 18 hours ago by Rubbersoul

[leicsmac]

Just now, Rubbersoul said:

Looking back to 2020 it’s funny how crazy how everyone got. Doesn’t feel real 😂

I think the seeds were in place before that, Covid just expedited the process. 

 

Here's hoping as a species we get over our need for such tribal insanity before we have a proper crisis popping up to test our mettle.  

[Wymsey]

12 hours ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

Where is all the news about white on white crime, or black on black, or Asian on Asian?

 

These are the most common crimes, but you'd never guess that from the media.

Maybe if this was to occur, some could well say that news agencies are 'hiding'/'ignoring/'covering up' what has been reported recently etc..

[Trav Le Bleu]

Are you English? I always thought I was, never lived anywhere else, but I'm thinking that might not be enough.

 

The deeply contentious debate around what it means to be English - BBC News

 

https://share.google/xvu8YnRZMhLZEDiCt

 

The bit that surprised me was this...

 

The poll suggested that 74% of English people believe that someone can be English regardless of their skin colour or ethnic background.

 

Or to put it another way, 26% believe that non-white people can't ever be English. Which to me is racist and thereby over a quarter of people are racist - which I find surprisingly high. Possibly because the people I choose to spend my time with aren't racist and I wouldn't spend any time with someone who was overtly racist.

 

And the whole St George thing. You know, the legendary Palestinian freedom fighter.  Not sure that all proud patriots would be happy with that. England didn't even exist when he died. The dragon motifs you see are weird too - so you celebrate him by portraying his mortal foe?

 

Apparently, it used to be St Edmund until the 14th century, which would at least make some sense, as he actually was English (though maybe only a second generation immigrant).

 

"But we'll all be speaking foreign!" I hear 26% of you cry. Really? You want English to stay the same? Perhaps we should go back to Shakespearian English, which so many people complain about not being able to understand, despite not being very difficult at all. Nah, sod that, let's go back to Old English - now there's a challenge!

 

Fæder ūre, þū þe eart on heofonum,
sīe þīn nama ġehālgod.
Tōbecume þīn rīċe.
Ġewurþe þīn willa on eorðan swā swā on heofonum.

 

This is a very famous piece of text. Anyone?

Point made, I think.

 

People, and as a result national identity, evolve.

You adapt or you die. Clinging to old traditions is quaint, but not necessary. I mean, we all mourn the loss of vinegar Valentines (sending cruel cards to people you don't like on Feb 14) and bear-baiting, and I'd happily put many a Morris dancer on the ducking stool, but we can create our own traditions that in future times will tell people who WE were and not leave them thinking that we were people from centuries earlier.

 

I find myself wondering - if this country was invaded by a foreign nation, and that nation demanded we adopt all their customs and language, but got the NHS running perfectly, no wait times, less illness, cancer and heart surgery success tripled; brought cheap, efficient transport links, no potholes in roads, well lit streets; put police on the streets, reduced crime by 500%, people felt much safer, shoplifting almost unheard of; cheap gas and electricity with helpful calls centres and prompt attention to any problems, clean water provided by efficient water companies who have help to make the waters of British rivers clean and safe; plenty of affordable housing without stacking people on top of eachother or building on flood plains; pubs, clubs, theatres and cinemas reopening across the land, high streets full of vibrant traders, almost zero unemployment and schools and universities that produced outstandingly talented youth.

 

If all this (of course it hypothetical), I can guarantee you, because they were foreign, and simply because of that, people would rise up and try to get rid of them. England might be crap, but it's OUR crap!

 

Life is strange.

[MaidstoneFox]

46 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

Are you English? I always thought I was, never lived anywhere else, but I'm thinking that might not be enough.

 

The deeply contentious debate around what it means to be English - BBC News

 

https://share.google/xvu8YnRZMhLZEDiCt

 

The bit that surprised me was this...

 

The poll suggested that 74% of English people believe that someone can be English regardless of their skin colour or ethnic background.

 

Or to put it another way, 26% believe that non-white people can't ever be English. Which to me is racist and thereby over a quarter of people are racist - which I find surprisingly high. Possibly because the people I choose to spend my time with aren't racist and I wouldn't spend any time with someone who was overtly racist.

 

And the whole St George thing. You know, the legendary Palestinian freedom fighter.  Not sure that all proud patriots would be happy with that. England didn't even exist when he died. The dragon motifs you see are weird too - so you celebrate him by portraying his mortal foe?

 

Apparently, it used to be St Edmund until the 14th century, which would at least make some sense, as he actually was English (though maybe only a second generation immigrant).

 

"But we'll all be speaking foreign!" I hear 26% of you cry. Really? You want English to stay the same? Perhaps we should go back to Shakespearian English, which so many people complain about not being able to understand, despite not being very difficult at all. Nah, sod that, let's go back to Old English - now there's a challenge!

 

Fæder ūre, þū þe eart on heofonum,
sīe þīn nama ġehālgod.
Tōbecume þīn rīċe.
Ġewurþe þīn willa on eorðan swā swā on heofonum.

 

This is a very famous piece of text. Anyone?

Point made, I think.

 

People, and as a result national identity, evolve.

You adapt or you die. Clinging to old traditions is quaint, but not necessary. I mean, we all mourn the loss of vinegar Valentines (sending cruel cards to people you don't like on Feb 14) and bear-baiting, and I'd happily put many a Morris dancer on the ducking stool, but we can create our own traditions that in future times will tell people who WE were and not leave them thinking that we were people from centuries earlier.

 

I find myself wondering - if this country was invaded by a foreign nation, and that nation demanded we adopt all their customs and language, but got the NHS running perfectly, no wait times, less illness, cancer and heart surgery success tripled; brought cheap, efficient transport links, no potholes in roads, well lit streets; put police on the streets, reduced crime by 500%, people felt much safer, shoplifting almost unheard of; cheap gas and electricity with helpful calls centres and prompt attention to any problems, clean water provided by efficient water companies who have help to make the waters of British rivers clean and safe; plenty of affordable housing without stacking people on top of eachother or building on flood plains; pubs, clubs, theatres and cinemas reopening across the land, high streets full of vibrant traders, almost zero unemployment and schools and universities that produced outstandingly talented youth.

 

If all this (of course it hypothetical), I can guarantee you, because they were foreign, and simply because of that, people would rise up and try to get rid of them. England might be crap, but it's OUR crap!

 

Life is strange.

By all accounts most people in this country would accept anyone ruling them if there were no potholes.

Edited 4 hours ago by MaidstoneFox

[leicsmac]

10 minutes ago, MaidstoneFox said:

By all accounts most people in this country would accept anyone ruling them if there were no potholes.

I'm not sure tbh, there are places that fit at least two thirds of the criteria Stan talks about above and people still look down their nose at them because they're "foreign" and/or their system of doing it appears somehow squicky to them. 

[st albans fox]

1 hour ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

Are you English? I always thought I was, never lived anywhere else, but I'm thinking that might not be enough.

 

The deeply contentious debate around what it means to be English - BBC News

 

https://share.google/xvu8YnRZMhLZEDiCt

 

The bit that surprised me was this...

 

The poll suggested that 74% of English people believe that someone can be English regardless of their skin colour or ethnic background.

 

Or to put it another way, 26% believe that non-white people can't ever be English. Which to me is racist and thereby over a quarter of people are racist - which I find surprisingly high. Possibly because the people I choose to spend my time with aren't racist and I wouldn't spend any time with someone who was overtly racist.

 

And the whole St George thing. You know, the legendary Palestinian freedom fighter.  Not sure that all proud patriots would be happy with that. England didn't even exist when he died. The dragon motifs you see are weird too - so you celebrate him by portraying his mortal foe?

 

Apparently, it used to be St Edmund until the 14th century, which would at least make some sense, as he actually was English (though maybe only a second generation immigrant).

 

"But we'll all be speaking foreign!" I hear 26% of you cry. Really? You want English to stay the same? Perhaps we should go back to Shakespearian English, which so many people complain about not being able to understand, despite not being very difficult at all. Nah, sod that, let's go back to Old English - now there's a challenge!

 

Fæder ūre, þū þe eart on heofonum,
sīe þīn nama ġehālgod.
Tōbecume þīn rīċe.
Ġewurþe þīn willa on eorðan swā swā on heofonum.

 

This is a very famous piece of text. Anyone?

Point made, I think.

 

People, and as a result national identity, evolve.

You adapt or you die. Clinging to old traditions is quaint, but not necessary. I mean, we all mourn the loss of vinegar Valentines (sending cruel cards to people you don't like on Feb 14) and bear-baiting, and I'd happily put many a Morris dancer on the ducking stool, but we can create our own traditions that in future times will tell people who WE were and not leave them thinking that we were people from centuries earlier.

 

I find myself wondering - if this country was invaded by a foreign nation, and that nation demanded we adopt all their customs and language, but got the NHS running perfectly, no wait times, less illness, cancer and heart surgery success tripled; brought cheap, efficient transport links, no potholes in roads, well lit streets; put police on the streets, reduced crime by 500%, people felt much safer, shoplifting almost unheard of; cheap gas and electricity with helpful calls centres and prompt attention to any problems, clean water provided by efficient water companies who have help to make the waters of British rivers clean and safe; plenty of affordable housing without stacking people on top of eachother or building on flood plains; pubs, clubs, theatres and cinemas reopening across the land, high streets full of vibrant traders, almost zero unemployment and schools and universities that produced outstandingly talented youth.

 

If all this (of course it hypothetical), I can guarantee you, because they were foreign, and simply because of that, people would rise up and try to get rid of them. England might be crap, but it's OUR crap!

 

Life is strange.

Apparently 26% of those who lived in Roman Palestine considered St George to be a Greek as he was born in what was then Greece (now ne turkey) 😉

 

[st albans fox]

The stuff about David Sullivan is about to hit the fan

 

he’s resigned ‘to fight the ‘

 

More like he couldn’t possibly stay in place once they’re known 

[Lionator]

2 hours ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

Are you English? I always thought I was, never lived anywhere else, but I'm thinking that might not be enough.

 

The deeply contentious debate around what it means to be English - BBC News

 

https://share.google/xvu8YnRZMhLZEDiCt

 

The bit that surprised me was this...

 

The poll suggested that 74% of English people believe that someone can be English regardless of their skin colour or ethnic background.

 

Or to put it another way, 26% believe that non-white people can't ever be English. Which to me is racist and thereby over a quarter of people are racist - which I find surprisingly high. Possibly because the people I choose to spend my time with aren't racist and I wouldn't spend any time with someone who was overtly racist.

 

And the whole St George thing. You know, the legendary Palestinian freedom fighter.  Not sure that all proud patriots would be happy with that. England didn't even exist when he died. The dragon motifs you see are weird too - so you celebrate him by portraying his mortal foe?

 

Apparently, it used to be St Edmund until the 14th century, which would at least make some sense, as he actually was English (though maybe only a second generation immigrant).

 

"But we'll all be speaking foreign!" I hear 26% of you cry. Really? You want English to stay the same? Perhaps we should go back to Shakespearian English, which so many people complain about not being able to understand, despite not being very difficult at all. Nah, sod that, let's go back to Old English - now there's a challenge!

 

Fæder ūre, þū þe eart on heofonum,
sīe þīn nama ġehālgod.
Tōbecume þīn rīċe.
Ġewurþe þīn willa on eorðan swā swā on heofonum.

 

This is a very famous piece of text. Anyone?

Point made, I think.

 

People, and as a result national identity, evolve.

You adapt or you die. Clinging to old traditions is quaint, but not necessary. I mean, we all mourn the loss of vinegar Valentines (sending cruel cards to people you don't like on Feb 14) and bear-baiting, and I'd happily put many a Morris dancer on the ducking stool, but we can create our own traditions that in future times will tell people who WE were and not leave them thinking that we were people from centuries earlier.

 

I find myself wondering - if this country was invaded by a foreign nation, and that nation demanded we adopt all their customs and language, but got the NHS running perfectly, no wait times, less illness, cancer and heart surgery success tripled; brought cheap, efficient transport links, no potholes in roads, well lit streets; put police on the streets, reduced crime by 500%, people felt much safer, shoplifting almost unheard of; cheap gas and electricity with helpful calls centres and prompt attention to any problems, clean water provided by efficient water companies who have help to make the waters of British rivers clean and safe; plenty of affordable housing without stacking people on top of eachother or building on flood plains; pubs, clubs, theatres and cinemas reopening across the land, high streets full of vibrant traders, almost zero unemployment and schools and universities that produced outstandingly talented youth.

 

If all this (of course it hypothetical), I can guarantee you, because they were foreign, and simply because of that, people would rise up and try to get rid of them. England might be crap, but it's OUR crap!

 

Life is strange.

Bizarre that the bbc have engaged into this Matt Goodwin style race and ethnicity rage debate when nobody needed or asked for it. 

[leicsmac]

1 minute ago, Lionator said:

Bizarre that the bbc have engaged into this Matt Goodwin style race and ethnicity rage debate when nobody needed or asked for it. 

Unfortunately, it appears that a fair few people do need or are asking for it. 

 

Whether the BBC should be pandering to the questionable character and objectives of those people is another question entirely. 

[st albans fox]

2 hours ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

Are you English? I always thought I was, never lived anywhere else, but I'm thinking that might not be enough.

 

The deeply contentious debate around what it means to be English - BBC News

 

https://share.google/xvu8YnRZMhLZEDiCt

 

The bit that surprised me was this...

 

The poll suggested that 74% of English people believe that someone can be English regardless of their skin colour or ethnic background.

 

Or to put it another way, 26% believe that non-white people can't ever be English. Which to me is racist and thereby over a quarter of people are racist - which I find surprisingly high. Possibly because the people I choose to spend my time with aren't racist and I wouldn't spend any time with someone who was overtly racist.

 

And the whole St George thing. You know, the legendary Palestinian freedom fighter.  Not sure that all proud patriots would be happy with that. England didn't even exist when he died. The dragon motifs you see are weird too - so you celebrate him by portraying his mortal foe?

 

Apparently, it used to be St Edmund until the 14th century, which would at least make some sense, as he actually was English (though maybe only a second generation immigrant).

 

"But we'll all be speaking foreign!" I hear 26% of you cry. Really? You want English to stay the same? Perhaps we should go back to Shakespearian English, which so many people complain about not being able to understand, despite not being very difficult at all. Nah, sod that, let's go back to Old English - now there's a challenge!

 

Fæder ūre, þū þe eart on heofonum,
sīe þīn nama ġehālgod.
Tōbecume þīn rīċe.
Ġewurþe þīn willa on eorðan swā swā on heofonum.

 

This is a very famous piece of text. Anyone?

Point made, I think.

 

People, and as a result national identity, evolve.

You adapt or you die. Clinging to old traditions is quaint, but not necessary. I mean, we all mourn the loss of vinegar Valentines (sending cruel cards to people you don't like on Feb 14) and bear-baiting, and I'd happily put many a Morris dancer on the ducking stool, but we can create our own traditions that in future times will tell people who WE were and not leave them thinking that we were people from centuries earlier.

 

I find myself wondering - if this country was invaded by a foreign nation, and that nation demanded we adopt all their customs and language, but got the NHS running perfectly, no wait times, less illness, cancer and heart surgery success tripled; brought cheap, efficient transport links, no potholes in roads, well lit streets; put police on the streets, reduced crime by 500%, people felt much safer, shoplifting almost unheard of; cheap gas and electricity with helpful calls centres and prompt attention to any problems, clean water provided by efficient water companies who have help to make the waters of British rivers clean and safe; plenty of affordable housing without stacking people on top of eachother or building on flood plains; pubs, clubs, theatres and cinemas reopening across the land, high streets full of vibrant traders, almost zero unemployment and schools and universities that produced outstandingly talented youth.

 

If all this (of course it hypothetical), I can guarantee you, because they were foreign, and simply because of that, people would rise up and try to get rid of them. England might be crap, but it's OUR crap!

 

Life is strange.

I think this is an alternative view which may be more palatable 

no idea if that is from a proper survey

 

Katwala says that around 90% of people believe that if you are born in England, identify as English and are brought up in England then you are seen as English.

 

 

Also interesting to read the perceived (by some) difference between ‘British’ and ‘English’ 

 

[Trav Le Bleu]

1 hour ago, st albans fox said:

Apparently 26% of those who lived in Roman Palestine considered St George to be a Greek as he was born in what was then Greece (now ne turkey) 😉

 

Indeed he was, from a Palestinian family.

[Trav Le Bleu]

29 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

I think this is an alternative view which may be more palatable 

no idea if that is from a proper survey

 

Katwala says that around 90% of people believe that if you are born in England, identify as English and are brought up in England then you are seen as English.

 

 

Also interesting to read the perceived (by some) difference between ‘British’ and ‘English’ 

 

Scots, Welsh and Irish are British, English is English!