General News Thread

[The Guvnor]

12 hours ago, Zear0 said:

https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/57-britons-support-national-id-card-scheme-have-significant-concerns-over-data-security-and
 

Not exactly deeply unpopular is it?

And you believe this 🤣

[BKLFox]

14 hours ago, CornwallFox said:

Can't see any reason for anybody to oppose digital ID, beyond conspiracy theorists. 

 

Concerns about the government being able to access data are misplaced, as all of your data is very readily available to them anyway if they really wanted it (they don't). 

 

You give away more data simply by allowing cookies on the websites you visit. A cookie essentially tracks your physically and digitally, and in virtually every case websites share your information with hundreds, or even thousands of organisations, often with no idea what their intentions are. 

 

A properly joined up digital ID linked to public services, benefits and taxation would be fantastic. It would make life a lot easier.

 

Honestly think it's opposition for opposition's sake with non government politicians. 

Unfortunate that you write that the day the group Radiant demand 1.5% of the annual revenue of the nursery group they hacked otherwise at least 30 children & 100 employees photos & profile will be leaked & sold. Information incudes; full names, NI #, DoB, full addresses, employment start dates, email addresses, children’s medical records, medical incidents and drugs/medication prescribed amongst other things.

 

 

Away from the obvious worry about hackers, the thing about government knowing all our data anyway is both right and wrong, right in that yes independently they probably do & wrong in them being able to access that collective detail at their finger tips and cross refer because all depts aren’t linked as gov depts are a cluster #£&* behind the scenes.

 

I see this as the start of their future goal of having The Eye of Mordor rule and whilst I agree in the sentiment of I’m clean I’ve got nothing to worry about it’s the fact that I have to live under this 👁️ 

Again they will use it along with future bolt ons, like centralised banking to hit the little guy , us normal law abiding folks, for miner discretions because it’s easy quick wins & not go after the proper crooks who are hard to pin down because they still won’t sit under the 👁️ 

 

I do get a fully joined up system could make life easier perhaps, but we are not actors in The Demolition Man where no one swears, offends and we trust and hug each and every stranger we meet because there are no bad people in the world.

[CornwallFox]

4 hours ago, BKLFox said:

Unfortunate that you write that the day the group Radiant demand 1.5% of the annual revenue of the nursery group they hacked otherwise at least 30 children & 100 employees photos & profile will be leaked & sold. Information incudes; full names, NI #, DoB, full addresses, employment start dates, email addresses, children’s medical records, medical incidents and drugs/medication prescribed amongst other things.

 

 

Away from the obvious worry about hackers, the thing about government knowing all our data anyway is both right and wrong, right in that yes independently they probably do & wrong in them being able to access that collective detail at their finger tips and cross refer because all depts aren’t linked as gov depts are a cluster #£&* behind the scenes.

 

I see this as the start of their future goal of having The Eye of Mordor rule and whilst I agree in the sentiment of I’m clean I’ve got nothing to worry about it’s the fact that I have to live under this 👁️ 

Again they will use it along with future bolt ons, like centralised banking to hit the little guy , us normal law abiding folks, for miner discretions because it’s easy quick wins & not go after the proper crooks who are hard to pin down because they still won’t sit under the 👁️ 

 

I do get a fully joined up system could make life easier perhaps, but we are not actors in The Demolition Man where no one swears, offends and we trust and hug each and every stranger we meet because there are no bad people in the world.

The first part is more relevant to cookies and private companies than a digital ID. The government already holds your ID details from when you got a passport/driving licence etc. It doesn't fundamentally change that. 

 

The second bit, tbh I'm not sure I have the energy for it. I see no reason to believe the government or any government intends to create some dystopian fictional world as you describe. Simply having a digital ID in place of a paper or plastic ID makes next to no difference in terms of what the government holds, just how you hold it.

[BKLFox]

2 minutes ago, CornwallFox said:

The first part is more relevant to cookies and private companies than a digital ID. The government already holds your ID details from when you got a passport/driving licence etc. It doesn't fundamentally change that. 

 

The second bit, tbh I'm not sure I have the energy for it. I see no reason to believe the government or any government intends to create some dystopian fictional world as you describe. Simply having a digital ID in place of a paper or plastic ID makes next to no difference in terms of what the government holds, just how you hold it.

Not sure I have the energy either, it’s about an end game not about the right here right now, once something is in, it will only grow.

 

As an aside who is getting the contract 🤔 

[Clogger_]

45 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

Not sure I have the energy either, it’s about an end game not about the right here right now, once something is in, it will only grow.

 

As an aside who is getting the contract 🤔 

Yeah, need to be careful. The government could bring this in with positive intent, but who knows what scumbags who are bagmen to certain billionaires, Russian state etc could do with our data? Beware.

 

(I have no concerns about this in principle, but the current abuse of the US constitution serves as a clear, salutary lesson of how things can go pear-shaped.)

Edited 27 September 2025 by Clogger_
Can't spell after wine

[Zear0]

5 hours ago, The Guvnor said:

And you believe this 🤣

Not sure what "belief" has to do with it. It's not Santa Claus, it's a political polling company. Feel free to just make stuff up though if it makes you feel better. 

[FoxesDeb]

Can someone please enlighten me as to what the real and genuine concerns are regarding the digital IDs, without involving TikTok or YouTube as sources of information?

[Wymsey]

3 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

Can someone please enlighten me as to what the real and genuine concerns are regarding the digital IDs, without involving TikTok or YouTube as sources of information?

Potential system hackers and fraud?

Edited 27 September 2025 by Wymsey

[FoxesDeb]

11 minutes ago, Wymsey said:

Potential system hackers and fraud?

Don't those worries apply to the systems we already have?

[grth2004]

17 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

Can someone please enlighten me as to what the real and genuine concerns are regarding the digital IDs, without involving TikTok or YouTube as sources of information?

Can’t see negatives just positives but the tin foil hat brigade are convinced anyone cares enough to track there every move down Aldi and the pub. 

[Wymsey]

Just now, FoxesDeb said:

Don't those worries apply to the systems we already have?

Of course, but they're still strong concerns.

 

Also, who is going to govern/manage such applications, especially if there could be some people may try to misuse the system with false information etc?

[Clogger_]

(Sense it's largely - not entirely - the anti-vaccine brigade again,)

[FoxesDeb]

3 minutes ago, Wymsey said:

Of course, but they're still strong concerns.

 

Also, who is going to govern/manage such applications, especially if there could be some people may try to misuse the system with false information etc?

Probably the same people who manage the systems we already have in place, that are equally open to abuse?

 

I don't know and I'm genuinely trying to understand the mass hysteria I'm witnessing on my SM as an outsider very familiar with this type of thing already, but which doesn't give me an ounce of concern

[Samilktray]

6 minutes ago, Wymsey said:

Of course, but they're still strong concerns.

 

Also, who is going to govern/manage such applications, especially if there could be some people may try to misuse the system with false information etc?

The army people 

[leicsmac]

1 minute ago, FoxesDeb said:

Probably the same people who manage the systems we already have in place, that are equally open to abuse?

 

I don't know and I'm genuinely trying to understand the mass hysteria I'm witnessing on my SM as an outsider very familiar with this type of thing already, but which doesn't give me an ounce of concern

Welcome to the world of social media, where perception means much more than fact and it's bleeding over into policymaking with significant negative effects.

[FoxesDeb]

1 minute ago, Clogger_ said:

(Sense it's largely - not entirely - the anti-vaccine brigade again,)

Anecdotally that is absolutely my experience on my FB feed yes, also the same people who think chemtrails are a thing and whom also think asylum seekers are illegal immigrants being provided with mobile phones whilst living in 4 star hotel luxury.

 

[FoxesDeb]

5 minutes ago, Samilktray said:

The army people 

That actually made me choke on my drink 

[Parafox]

20 minutes ago, grth2004 said:

Can’t see negatives just positives but the tin foil hat brigade are convinced anyone cares enough to track there every move down Aldi and the pub. 

 

I'd include Morrisons as well as Aldi

 

I don't think it's necessarily a fear of the gov spying on your every move but more a fear of the potential for cyber crime and leaks of mass information which occurs anyway.

 

It's the "not knowing" aspect of what information will be held via digital ID. Who is being entrusted with the information and how would one know how secure it might be?

 

Don't forget that every voice controlled device you have from your phone and laptop to your fridge and central heating timer is listening to everything you say and reporting it to the authorities. It's true, George Orwell said so.

 

 

 

 

Edited 27 September 2025 by Parafox

[whoareyaaa]

36 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

Can someone please enlighten me as to what the real and genuine concerns are regarding the digital IDs, without involving TikTok or YouTube as sources of information?

 

[Trav Le Bleu]

9 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

That actually made me choke on my drink 

What a waste of White Lightning!

 

[FoxesDeb]

2 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

 

Absolutely no offence meant but that's not a source nor is it actual reasons, that's just two people posting their opinions without any evidence on X. I want to know the actual, founded, reasons for the concern

[whoareyaaa]

3 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

Absolutely no offence meant but that's not a source nor is it actual reasons, that's just two people posting their opinions without any evidence on X. I want to know the actual, founded, reasons for the concern

What source do you want ? you believe the government then as that's the source I don't know what you mean ? if you take time to read and not believe everything the government tells you you may find the reasons for concern.

Edited 27 September 2025 by whoareyaaa

[Parafox]

18 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

That actually made me choke on my drink 

 

8 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

What a waste of White Lightning!

 

Also dropped the bottle whilst swigging. 

[Parafox]

19 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

 

What rubbish from both.

 

Talk about tinfoil hats

Edited 27 September 2025 by Parafox

[Trav Le Bleu]

I think the majority concern is probably that we're being told this by a government that has screwed up consistently, both incumbent and prior, for over a decade. You just know this is going to be a fustercluck.

 

Can honestly see, given the furore created, this being yet another U-turn. It's not the kind of thing that can be forced on a population if a sizable number don't want it. Doesn't even have to even be a majority. Even something like 20% could derail it and I can't see enough people being won over before the end of this government.