General News Thread

[danny.]

14 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

It is obvious. But encouraging that sentiment leads only to disaster. 

Disaster is imminent anyway, we can't stop it now on multiple fronts. Even more reasons for humans to yearn for better days.

[Wymsey]

 

[leicsmac]

2 minutes ago, danny. said:

Disaster is imminent anyway, we can't stop it now on multiple fronts. Even more reasons for humans to yearn for better days.

Nah, miss me with that fatalism, it just makes that disaster self fulfilling. 

 

The way to avoid it may be difficult, it may be a long shot, but it exists and any decent human should be looking to work in taking that shot, as much of a long shot it may be. 

 

Spare me the ones who failed because they were too lazy or self interested to at least try to make a better world than the one they came into. 

[The Bear]

13 minutes ago, Wymsey said:

 

CPR class. 

[worthosoriginals]

5 hours ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

Introduce rationing 

Change currency to LSD (no, not that one)

Reduce TV channels to 2

Bring back hanging

Women not allowed to vote

Bomb London 

 

Sounds good, they've  got my vote.

[ramboacdc]

6 hours ago, Lionator said:

When Reform politicians say that we’re going to go back to the good old days, how are they going to do it? And what were the good old days??

 

5 hours ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

Introduce rationing 

Change currency to LSD (no, not that one)

Reduce TV channels to 2

Bring back hanging

Women not allowed to vote

Bomb London 

 

To add to these, and based off what I used to see on Facebook.

Bring back drinking from hoses
Reintroduce white dog poo
Allow your kids to vanish for hours and not know where they are

Encourage talking to strangers (they may have free sweets)
Make health and safety laws more lax...helps weed out the week. 

Just call the kids with learning difficulties the "thick kids" and throw them to the back of the room. 

 

 

There were a few more that involved Alf Garnett style humour I really thought I shouldn't put as I have never got a ban from here and I don't want to start now haha

[Lionator]

5 minutes ago, ramboacdc said:

 

To add to these, and based off what I used to see on Facebook.

Bring back drinking from hoses
Reintroduce white dog poo
Allow your kids to vanish for hours and not know where they are

Encourage talking to strangers (they may have free sweets)
Make health and safety laws more lax...helps weed out the week. 

Just call the kids with learning difficulties the "thick kids" and throw them to the back of the room. 

 

 

There were a few more that involved Alf Garnett style humour I really thought I shouldn't put as I have never got a ban from here and I don't want to start now haha

This is 30% of the voting public though!!!

[bovril]

I think it's pretty obvious that people who are 'nostalgic' for the past are unhappy with demographic and cultural change. Nothing particularly surprising or controversial about that. 

[bovril]

Also find it interesting how many 'everything is ****ed' guys are also quite sceptical of voters being motivated by nostalgia, as if it's ok to think things are crap now but only if you accept certain things are crap and not others. 

[MaidstoneFox]

3 hours ago, Lionator said:

None of these things are going to happen though as the world has completely changed

Yes, all smoke and mirrors.

[bovril]

4 hours ago, MaidstoneFox said:

Just pushing the buttons of their demographic, who are mostly 50+. It encapsulates a return to a simpler life, or at least one where you could go to the high street and shops weren't closed down or populated with nail bars, barbers and vape shops.

Most European towns are not full of vape shops and nail bars.

[CornwallFox]

26 minutes ago, bovril said:

I think it's pretty obvious that people who are 'nostalgic' for the past are unhappy with demographic and cultural change. Nothing particularly surprising or controversial about that. 

That would be fine, I'd be happy for them to put it that way and think collaboratively about how we could move forward differently, but there's a real nastiness that pervades in the way they talk about those that are culturally different - however small the cultural difference - not just ethnicity, colour, religion, nationality, but it's always the same people putting up laughing emojis when a cyclist is killed, complaining about teacher's holidays, shouting about cancel culture when somebody inciting violence is jailed before screaming that the BBC should be taken off air...... They basically hate everybody that isn't themselves. 

[leicsmac]

21 minutes ago, bovril said:

Also find it interesting how many 'everything is ****ed' guys are also quite sceptical of voters being motivated by nostalgia, as if it's ok to think things are crap now but only if you accept certain things are crap and not others. 

Only if the link isn't made that people being motivated by nostalgia (and acting upon that motivation) is one of the chief reasons that everything is fvcked, and why it may get even more so in the future. 

 

Guaranteeing the future isn't going to come from attempting to relive the past, no matter how tempting that might be. 

[worthosoriginals]

7 minutes ago, bovril said:

Most European towns are not full of vape shops and nail bars.

There's plenty of money needs laundering constantly

[bovril]

6 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Only if the link isn't made that people being motivated by nostalgia (and acting upon that motivation) is one of the chief reasons that everything is fvcked, and why it may get even more so in the future. 

 

Guaranteeing the future isn't going to come from attempting to relive the past, no matter how tempting that might be. 

I actually think kind of the opposite - one of the reasons everything is ****ed is because people think the past is stupid and backward and we can't learn anything from it. And that anybody with reservations about the present direction is labelled as nostalgic or regressive. But I feel we're not going to agree on this.

[leicsmac]

Just now, bovril said:

I actually think kind of the opposite - one of the reasons everything is ****ed is because people think the past is stupid and backward and we can't learn anything from it. And that anybody with reservations about the present direction is labelled as nostalgic or regressive. But I feel we're not going to agree on this.

Fair enough - I guess I see centuries, if not millenia, of historical division, tribalism, and the most grotesque oppression and atrocities carried about because of them and it's very difficult to view it all as an overall positive element and want to take many examples from it, even when weighed in with the many examples of grace, compassion and togetherness the past has shown as well.

 

But I know this is a matter of opinion. 

[Lionator]

1 hour ago, bovril said:

I think it's pretty obvious that people who are 'nostalgic' for the past are unhappy with demographic and cultural change. Nothing particularly surprising or controversial about that. 

Of course but it’s never been explained to them why the choice has been mass immigration or economic collapse. I don’t blame these people by the way (aside from cutting me off for having a half Asian girlfriend).

[bovril]

26 minutes ago, Lionator said:

Of course but it’s never been explained to them why the choice has been mass immigration or economic collapse. I don’t blame these people by the way (aside from cutting me off for having a half Asian girlfriend).

If those are the only two options to the UK at the moment then there are alternative socioeconomic models we can follow. After all there are many countries around the world that have neither. I think it's Anglocentrism to claim that we have to continue on the same path we have done for the last few decades because that's just the way things are. 

[Samilktray]

1 hour ago, bovril said:

Most European towns are not full of vape shops and nail bars.

Most of Europe still recognise how much cooler smoking a cigarette is 

[BKLFox]

2 hours ago, bovril said:

Most European towns are not full of vape shops and nail bars.

Yes they do

[danny.]

2 hours ago, Lionator said:

Of course but it’s never been explained to them why the choice has been mass immigration or economic collapse. I don’t blame these people by the way (aside from cutting me off for having a half Asian girlfriend).

That isn’t a binary choice at all. You’re presenting a false dichotomy. 

Edited 31 January by danny.

[bmt]

Quite excited about this by election. As someone who has voted green my entire life this could be a real introduction to the national stage. However, I do think that Reform will win, and it is certainly a reflection of the division and disarray in UK politics.

[CornwallFox]

31 minutes ago, bmt said:

Quite excited about this by election. As someone who has voted green my entire life this could be a real introduction to the national stage. However, I do think that Reform will win, and it is certainly a reflection of the division and disarray in UK politics.

Polling suggests Labour and greens splitting well over 50% of the vote between them. Much the same as national politics week you include the lib Dems. 

The only thing that gives right wing parties power is the fact the left splits itself up more. 

We're a country of left wingers that constantly have right wing governments. 

Edited 31 January by CornwallFox

[danny.]

12 minutes ago, CornwallFox said:

Polling suggests Labour and greens splitting well over 50% of the vote between them. Much the same as national politics week you include the lib Dems. 

The only thing that gives right wing parties power is the fact the left splits itself up more. 

We're a country of left wingers that constantly have right wing governments. 

And right wing parties don’t split the vote too? Not sure I’d say we’re a nation of left wingers. Probably average out to centrist overall. 

[CornwallFox]

14 minutes ago, danny. said:

And right wing parties don’t split the vote too? Not sure I’d say we’re a nation of left wingers. Probably average out to centrist overall. 

Since reform appeared they do. Much lesser effect historically on the right.

 

The centre left and left combined vote it's pretty much always bigger than the right/centre right vote. Not always by huge margins, Brexit was the one anomaly in recent years. So maybe slightly centre left would be fair.