Ruud Van Nistelrooy - Sacked - Official

[Twitcher]

22 hours ago, crazies said:

Now to get rid of the board and owners 😂

And half the players

[The Doctor]

14 hours ago, Adster said:

Full 100% agree. 

 

All the garbage generative AI posts pasted onto here need binning off too. Absolutely embarrassing. 

bring back the days of shit Photoshop tbh, at least then some effort was put in

[FoxTimmy2]

Thanks for the memories. Really enjoyed Danny Ward coming back for two games and catapulting Wolves into a win streak.

[The Doctor]

11 hours ago, Analysethis said:

Great argument, which part was BS? I suppose you thought his team selections and tactics were Tops fault LOL

 

Another great argument, there wasnt much fun reading the hatred towards Cooper and the excitement when RVN arrived. What RVN did, breaking all sorts of records for the wrong reasons is quite scary when you read it. A couple of wins against Southampton and Ipswich wont mask his horrendous record. 

his record when you go for the teams they both faced is the same as Cooper's... Cooper W2, D4, L6. RVN W3, D1, L8. Both took 10 points from those 12 games 

[Mickyblueeyes]

Glad he has gone. Not easy environment but boy did he add to it. Some incredibly poor decisions in his time here. Unable to motivate players. Unable to manage despite his aura. Players regressed under him. 
 

Decisions to continue to play Faes (why is this ****er STILL here) and Ward for those two games was an absolute disaster. 
 

Had no respect for the fans, home or away who never really turned on him. 
 

Over played Vardy. 
 

Couldn’t organise a defence.

 

Really poor manager. Nothing to thank.

[Gazza M]

No warmth to the fans who quickly spotted he was crap. (Wolves in December "you dont know what you're doing.") Knew he was going from about end of March as he stopped applauding and shot off down the tunnel at FT. Good riddance. 

 

Now the farce of starting preseason with one set of coaches before new manager comes in with new staff, but that is for a different thread. 

[Spudulike]

1 hour ago, FoxesTalker said:

Ruud unfortunately became another manager who was let down/misled by the board. However, this doesn't negate from his own performance as manager during the six months in charge last season. The players also need to take a huge amount of the responsibility for relegation, Cooper seemingly couldn't get them on side but then they proceeded to get even worse under a new manager. 

Keep hearing this but not seen any evidence. Both RvN and Maresca had nothing but praise for the owners. As fans we don't know if there's been any misleading or letting down. All we have is guesswork by certain journalists that has become fact as is the way of these things.

 

If Rohl takes up the reins next week without compo then it will prove to be a masterstroke. The timings are spot on. It will also give a boost to the returning players and provide added focus to impress the new management.

[HankMarvin]

2 hours ago, AKCJ said:

Strikers being clinical under Cooper whereas they couldn't hit a barn door under Ruud.

 

Both managers created over 1 xG in around 40% of their games (and only Cooper had the privilege of a pre-season and playing against two newly promoted teams who had red cards).

Clutching at straws here 

strikers being clinical under one manager and couldn’t hit a barn door for another.

Nothing to do with the manager then, who just so happens to be a striker.

[AKCJ]

8 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

Clutching at straws here 

strikers being clinical under one manager and couldn’t hit a barn door for another.

Nothing to do with the manager then, who just so happens to be a striker.

It's hardly clutching at straws is it? They're facts.

[Chown]

3 hours ago, The Doctor said:

his record when you go for the teams they both faced is the same as Cooper's... Cooper W2, D4, L6. RVN W3, D1, L8. Both took 10 points from those 12 games 

The classic ‘you can only compare the games against the same teams’ nonsense . Which obviously avoids the weeks and weeks of no goals and terrible records set by RvN that will never be broken. RvN managed against Newcastle twice. 7-0 aggregate defeat. RvN managed against Wolves twice. 6-0 aggregate defeat. Brentford at home 4-0 defeat. Cooper lost one league game in 12 by a 3-0 score line and we scored in every single other league game under him.

 

By your logic, Plymouth had a better season than Liverpool. You can’t compare any of their results as they played against different teams. But Plymouth beat Liverpool in the cup so they must be better. Nonsense.

[AKCJ]

2 minutes ago, Chown said:

 

The classic ‘you can only compare the games against the same teams’ nonsense . Which obviously avoids the weeks and weeks of no goals and terrible records set by RvN that will never be broken. RvN managed against Newcastle twice. 7-0 aggregate defeat. RvN managed against Wolves twice. 6-0 aggregate defeat. Brentford at home 4-0 defeat. Cooper lost one league game in 12 by a 3-0 score line and we scored in every single other league game under him.

 

By your logic, Plymouth had a better season than Liverpool. You can’t compare any of their results as they played against different teams. But Plymouth beat Liverpool in the cup so they must be better. Nonsense.

It also ignores the fact that Cooper got to play against Southampton and Ipswich when they were down to 10 men.

[Gubbins]

Perhaps not our most detestable manager on a personal level but in terms of actual management ability he's got to be the worst. Hopeless in every single aspect and the 'poor Ruud' narrative on here is mad. So he was 'lied' to about signing 3 players? Does anyone really think the man utd/psv reserve players he'd have brought in would have made any difference? If he was that pissed off over the lack of signings and a***hole squad members he could have always quit. 

 

[FoxesTalker]

2 hours ago, Spudulike said:

Keep hearing this but not seen any evidence. Both RvN and Maresca had nothing but praise for the owners. As fans we don't know if there's been any misleading or letting down. All we have is guesswork by certain journalists that has become fact as is the way of these things.

 

If Rohl takes up the reins next week without compo then it will prove to be a masterstroke. The timings are spot on. It will also give a boost to the returning players and provide added focus to impress the new management.

The club haven't been transparent with three managers now. My take on it is that Rodgers was allowed to believe he would able to refresh the squad in the summer of 2022, Maresca wasn't made fully aware of the club's financial situation, and van Nistelrooy was led to believe that signings were possible in January. However, do agree on the second point.

[The Horse's Mouth]

1 hour ago, AKCJ said:

It also ignores the fact that Cooper got to play against Southampton and Ipswich when they were down to 10 men.

Must of missed it when ruud got the same games 

[AKCJ]

43 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

Must of missed it when ruud got the same games 

Ruud got the same points at Cooper from the same games IIRC.

 

My point is that for as woeful as Ruud was, Cooper was worse. He had loads to spend and a full pre-season.

[HankMarvin]

2 hours ago, AKCJ said:

It's hardly clutching at straws is it? They're facts.

In your opinion Strikers were clinical for 16 games under cooper only not scoring in one match (nearly half a season worth of games)
Next manager comes in first 2 games 4 goals, it all turns to shit 16 games with no goals from remaining 25 odd games.

Nothing to do with RVN input?

 

and it’s not just the strikers that “can’t hit a barn door” the rest of the team also can’t.

 

 

[HankMarvin]

2 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

Ruud got the same points at Cooper from the same games IIRC.

 

My point is that for as woeful as Ruud was, Cooper was worse. He had loads to spend and a full pre-season.

How could he be worse than an atrocious premier league manager record breaker, with a far worse record.

Was the squad a a hidden surprise when he took the job 

[teblin]

They were both terrible appointments!!!! Simple.

[The Horse's Mouth]

9 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

Ruud got the same points at Cooper from the same games IIRC.

 

My point is that for as woeful as Ruud was, Cooper was worse. He had loads to spend and a full pre-season.

We’d have ended up on more points under cooper judging from the fact we could at least score under him. It’s a redundant argument anyway time to move on

[Claudio Fannieri]

Personal view we got the appointments the wrong way round, Ruud would have been better replacement for Enzo, give him a summer and the recruitment I think we would have been in a far better position longer term, likewise had we made a change half way through the season and needed someone to make a better fist of fighting for survival then cooper was probably a better fit than Ruud for the circumstances. 
 

Just further demonstrates the poor decision making at the Top of the club, wrong appointments for wrong situations. 

[AKCJ]

14 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

In your opinion Strikers were clinical for 16 games under cooper only not scoring in one match (nearly half a season worth of games)
Next manager comes in first 2 games 4 goals, it all turns to shit 16 games with no goals from remaining 25 odd games.

Nothing to do with RVN input?

 

and it’s not just the strikers that “can’t hit a barn door” the rest of the team also can’t.

 

 

It's not an opinion. It's a fact. Just look at the stats.

 

We took chances under Cooper and didn't under Ruud. 

[AKCJ]

5 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

We’d have ended up on more points under cooper judging from the fact we could at least score under him. It’s a redundant argument anyway time to move on

I disagree.

[Clogger_]

Anyone who cannot see that we only got any points under Cooper *by blind luck* is a lost cause.

 

RVN was also crap; Cooper's obvious ineptitude doesn't excuse him.

 

Personal position is season was over when we appointed Cooper. Shockingly clueless preseason and dire recruitment only drove the final nails into the firmly closed coffin.

[HankMarvin]

17 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

It's not an opinion. It's a fact. Just look at the stats.

 

We took chances under Cooper and didn't under Ruud. 

But if they went off the boil, is that not down to the manager to get them firing again. Over a sample size of 16 games you can’t be lucky every game to score.

[Old Fox]

46 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

Personal view we got the appointments the wrong way round, Ruud would have been better replacement for Enzo, give him a summer and the recruitment I think we would have been in a far better position longer term, likewise had we made a change half way through the season and needed someone to make a better fist of fighting for survival then cooper was probably a better fit than Ruud for the circumstances. 
 

Just further demonstrates the poor decision making at the Top of the club, wrong appointments for wrong situations. 

It’s an interesting perspective - personally think he was absolutely clueless - never got to grip with the capabilities or lack of in some players and was tactically inept - never changed a game favourably and I still had no clue what his style or what he was trying to get us to do.

 

Cooper was a weird appointment but at least he had a plan - it was rubbish but I could see he was trying to make us hard to beat and then steal points but RVN was completely rank and also never ever tried to warm or understand the fans or club generally.

 

Give us someone with a bit of passion - Dyche for me is a no brainer because I think we need an NFP style and that’s SD - he has actually had more prem success than NFP yet fans on here are moaning!