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Posted
1 minute ago, sm1 said:

If only Marti would face up to the reality, that you can't build a solid defence around Vesty and Thomas. 

The other option is Faes and Kristensen or relying on the youth prospect Aluko.

Posted
2 hours ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Haha there we go, like clockwork, the next academy lad to be thrown under the bus. 

 

Bade Aluko, COME ON DOWN!

Nelson is definitely an answer. 
 

LT, McAteer, Hamza and Silko weren’t and aren’t any answers though. 

Posted
33 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

Given the same poster probably never criticises Vestergaard and Faes, yes. Come on, calling for Nelson not to play again is massively extreme no?

Was a comment on the post, not its providence.

Posted
50 minutes ago, Gamble92 said:

He has shown more than enough to stay in the side for a while and he's worth investing in above the obvious. But he needs to sign a new deal soon for us to prolong with him.

 

Having said that you can't just ignore when he does things that you'd kill Vestegaard for. There are users who will make 4 new pages for the mistake he did yesterday if it was Vestegaard. You can't have it both ways. 

 

 

No there isn't. This is such a myth. I said this in the match thread but if you actually look at Vestergaard's thread, there's been multiple games where he dropped clangers and nothing has been said in there. Even that first goal is more his fault that Nelson's (still should have done better) as he actually stepped away from the ball, though should have been stopped at source. He gets a free pass from a massive amount of people on here. He's been absolutely crap on the whole this year (a few goals and good performances don't detract from that) and unlike Faes, he's actually capable of better. End of the day, he's been the ever present in our poor defence so he should be dropped. Nelson coming in has certainly helped him. 

 

For what it's worth, even as a massive Nelson fan, I think people have been overboard about some of his performances. Though the reality is he's still been a massive upgrade on all the others in his position. He shouldn't be immune to criticism but he should absolutely get more leeway than the older players. Got lots of potential, will make mistakes at his age and grow from them and he's not on a massive wedge. It's not about double standards, it's just about applying a bit of context.

Posted
31 minutes ago, Claridge said:

Hes a decent prospect, a lot like Vesty ,good on the ball, but a little slow

Tell me you’ve not watched much of Nelson without saying you’ve not watched much of Nelson. 

Posted
34 minutes ago, South Shire Fox said:

One bad game after 4/5 class ones and now hes not the answer. Moaning for the sake of moaning

But he hasn't had 4/5 class ones though. How is expressing an honest opinion moaning? Grow up.

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Posted
1 hour ago, Dahnsouff said:

So calling players poor is fine as long as they aren't from the academy?

 

Wonder who is biased here?

If he was consistently shit then of course it's warranted. This is arguably Nelson's first poor league game for us.

 

What's wrong with this place recently?

Posted
53 minutes ago, Gamble92 said:

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It's true though, and its always the same people.

 

Took plenty to finally admit that Kasey McAteer was useless. Defending his constant poor performances with "but he works hard".

 

Not putting Nelson into the same category,  I am sure theres an alright player in there, but people saying he's been 'class' prior to yesterday when actually he's not really done anything besides be marginally better than Vestergaard. 

 

I can already see it, their next obsession will be Braybrooke now hes scored a decent goal for bottom of League 2 Newport. Already seeing people suggesting he returns.

 

 

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Posted
1 minute ago, adejo92 said:

It's true though, and its always the same people.

 

Took plenty to finally admit that Kasey McAteer was useless. Defending his constant poor performances with "but he works hard".

 

Not putting Nelson into the same category,  I am sure theres an alright player in there, but people saying he's been 'class' prior to yesterday when actually he's not really done anything besides be marginally better than Vestergaard. 

 

I can already see it, their next obsession will be Braybrooke now hes scored a decent goal for bottom of League 2 Newport. Already seeing people suggesting he returns.

 

 

That’s exactly why people have been happy with him though. We’ve been fed slop for years and enjoy seeing a fresh face 

Posted

He's played 7 games this season. He was poor yesterday and he was dreadful against Huddersfield. He hasn't really stood out in many of the other games. I think the biggest problem he's got on Foxestalk is the Ben Nelson fan club. You can't even fairly criticise him on here without getting jumped on by a number of posters.

 

Any young player is going to struggle in this defence. It has no protection, his more experienced defenders can't really help him cause they're bad defenders and he we have a young keeper. I hope he succeeds and we should keep playing him. He'd really be helped by Soutter coming back.  

 

People have been saying he's a future England international and a future £40-50 million pound defender who would sort this defence out. Maybe he is, but he doesn't really look like it atm. That isn't his fault.

 

If people fairly point out he's had a bad game. A bunch of people come on here playing the outraged youth player excuse. Whilst some of the same people slag Silko Thomas off. Go on his thread yesterday, he's still getting slagged off after scoring.

 

We just all need to chill. If he has a bad game, it's okay to say it. He's a young player in a sh*t defensive unit, he's going to struggle. We all need to manage expectations.

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Posted

He is a good player, definitely should be starting, likely alongside Jannik, just because we are super short on options.

He had a bad game, it happens. He does not get a pass because he was an academy player.

And just because someone was crap  too, or was even more crap in the past does not alleviate blame for one game.

Not judging him harsh, everybody should have the same level of judgment.  :dunno:

Posted
52 minutes ago, adejo92 said:

It's true though, and its always the same people.

 

Took plenty to finally admit that Kasey McAteer was useless. Defending his constant poor performances with "but he works hard".

 

Not putting Nelson into the same category,  I am sure theres an alright player in there, but people saying he's been 'class' prior to yesterday when actually he's not really done anything besides be marginally better than Vestergaard. 

 

I can already see it, their next obsession will be Braybrooke now hes scored a decent goal for bottom of League 2 Newport. Already seeing people suggesting he returns.

 

 

You sound very disappointed about youth players doing well I have to say….

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Posted
25 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

He is a good player, definitely should be starting, likely alongside Jannik, just because we are super short on options.

He had a bad game, it happens. He does not get a pass because he was an academy player.

And just because someone was crap  too, or was even more crap in the past does not alleviate blame for one game.

Not judging him harsh, everybody should have the same level of judgment.  :dunno:

I can’t say for definite as it would be impossible to go and look but there’s definitely a percentage of people on here who get excited when there’s a chance to criticise these kids (I realise Nelson isn’t a kid but feels like it to me..) 

 

The reaction to Aluko getting sent off was utterly embarrassing. Grown men going crazy and giddy because they can go I TOLD YOU SO!!! THE 18 YEAR OLD IS SHIT!!! 
 

Nelson was by all accounts poor yesterday or just at fault for a goal i don’t know. I couldn’t watch. 
 

Of course fans who like seeing Academy players involved are biased and less likely to criticise, but if I’m totally honest after the last few years of “senior pros” putting disgraceful performances in every week I don’t mind Nelson, Aluko, Page and even Silko Thomas looking shaky. If it means we’re actually building towards something.
 

I think people forget we’ll still be a Championship side next season & potentially not much money to spend. We will need these kids. It’s not like we’ll be expecting them to jump up to the Prem. 
 

You even get accounts taking snide shots at Alves & Braybrooke ffs. 

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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Saxondale said:

But he hasn't had 4/5 class ones though. How is expressing an honest opinion moaning? Grow up.

Middlesborough MOTM, Ipswich, Derby, Norwich before he went off he looked decent. Blokes destined to be a Premier league player. ‘He’s not all that’ because hes had a bad game, hes a young lad who hasnt played a lot of games so hes going to make mistakes. Certainly doesnt warrant writing someone off as average

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Posted

He looks the part but in the few games I have seen him play he chucks in a couple of bomb scare moments. Sometimes you get away with them and sometimes you don’t but he’ll need to cut them out if he is to progress. 

 

Worth persevering with at the moment but the jury’s out for me in coming to a firm view about his potential. 

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