Cifuentes OUT

[Noahfence]

Did he actually even do anything impressive with QPR..? 

[Danizen]

2 minutes ago, Noahfence said:

Did he actually even do anything impressive with QPR..? 

He's a middling manager with a shit squad. Unless we look like going down, I think he'll stay until we shed all the overpaid crap. Then we can start the rebuild we desperately need.

[Stevosevic]

7 minutes ago, Noahfence said:

Did he actually even do anything impressive with QPR..? 

No. Had long runs of terrible form too. 

[Dan]

3 hours ago, FrankieADZ said:

yet people turned their nose up at both

what happens if they go on the same run as MC? sack them too?

 

the club needs some sort of stability

 

*im more MC in than out 70/30 atm

Yes

[Dan]

3 hours ago, jim5000 said:

Could be worse, Forest have appointed Dyche 🤣

That isn't worse

[Ian S]

1 hour ago, Edingleyfox said:

The manager so few options particularly up front that I feel for him. He identified tracking back and getting caught on the-break as a problem but some of his choices like Soumare and Thomas on this occasion probably didn’t help.  I think we need to let Marti  have more time but he will need support in the market in January 

We would we support him in the market in January when we couldn’t in the recent transfer window.

If we are not challenging we are more likely to cash in on our few players worth anything than strengthen.

[Ian S]

Just now, Ian S said:

Why would we support him in the market in January when we couldn’t in the recent transfer window.

If we are not challenging we are more likely to cash in on our few players worth anything than strengthen.

 

[Stadt]

5 minutes ago, Danizen said:

He's a middling manager with a shit squad. Unless we look like going down, I think he'll stay until we shed all the overpaid crap. Then we can start the rebuild we desperately need.

There will be no grand rebuild, we renewed Vestergaard who had checked out and was shit until one championship season. We've renewed Thomas and Choudhury. We'll probably give Ayew another year.

[trooky]

2 minutes ago, Stadt said:

There will be no grand rebuild, we renewed Vestergaard who had checked out and was shit until one championship season. We've renewed Thomas and Choudhury. We'll probably give Ayew another year.

I think Daka, Soumare, Winks leave on frees and reluctantly Ricky P, unless he's prepared to take big wage drop

[Dan]

56 minutes ago, kingfox said:

I said numerous times during the Premier League season that we failed to get with the trends. Counter attacks, fast breaks and generally being more direct was the name of the game last season, yet Steve Cooper thought it would be a good idea to want Premier League experience in Ayew and Reid. 
 

This season whether Premier League or Championship, all the talk has been about how teams are transferring to a more direct style, but looking at our statistics, it seems yet again we’re not following the right trends under Cifuentes. 
 

Coventry are top, Bristol City have started well too, they currently sit 2nd and 3rd for direct speed. For that statistic we currently rank 20th.

 

Charlton and Millwall have started well too, they currently rank 1st and 2nd for forward pass%. For that statistic we also rank 20th. 
 

The two teams who rank 1st and 2nd for 10+ pass sequences and build up attacks happen to be Leicester City and Southampton. Could both teams struggles be down to Championship opposition starting to work those teams out 🤔

 

Going more direct is becoming a useful tool, but it seems we aren’t delving into it enough. We’re still concentrating on being a ponderous possession team.

Yeah but getting the ball forward is archaic and old fashioned. We're above that sort of thing apparently.

[Stadt]

5 minutes ago, trooky said:

I think Daka, Soumare, Winks leave on frees and reluctantly Ricky P, unless he's prepared to take big wage drop

We won't have much money to replace them with and given our hit rate is about 33%, we probably get worse despite losing two shit players.

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

6 hours ago, Tommy G said:

Most people on here thought we were going down to League 1 this season.

 

It absolutely wasn't "most people"

[suffolk fox]

2 hours ago, STUHILL said:

Dyche would have us in the top 2 by now IMO. 

 

Not a great appointment for Forest though. Will keep them up but nothing much more than that.

Sean bloody Dyche lets not make out he is some kind of messiah.  Seriously, what has this board become.  Entitled.  

Those calling out Cifuentes, really?

Whoever becomes the manager he has to deal with  the same shit problems.  Its the players at fault here not the manager.

If anyone is to blame for our demise blame, Rudkin and Top they have allowed this to happen.

Wash, Rinse, Repeat.

[foxile5]

Wants a stern word for taking off James yesterday when he was the only one who seemed interested in the first half. 

 

He's working with some shit, for sure, but the question mark is over wether his work is actually any good in spite of that.

[cityfanlee23]

5 hours ago, JonnyBoy said:

the problem is we aren't even creating chances for the strikers, i would be a lot more content if we were creating and strikers weren't putting the ball into the back of the net. it is partly because our striker options are shite and partly because marti can't create chances. That's on Marti 

This. Pretty much every single time the striker gets the ball to his feet, it’s when we’ve dithered with the ball for 15-20+ passes, the opposition have had 3 working days to form a deep block, then we pass the ball into the strikers feet, 25 yards out, back to goal, with 6 players behind them.

 

And then fans scapegoat them all game. 
 

Our strikers have been poor everyone can see that, but they get given absolutely dogwater service, Vardy would be on maybe 1-2 goals max in this system because he would have finished Carranzas 1 on 1 from a few games ago, but beyond that, we just never play through balls in and allow the striker to sit on the last defender, all Marti wants us to do is pass to Fatawu and hope he creates magic, and if he can’t, the last resort is the pass it into a striker and expect him to beat 5 defenders. 
 

More often than not it ends up being like the Carranza situation a couple of games ago where he got the ball to his feet with 3 players around him and barely any passing options on apart from backwards, so he took a risk and try to push the ball into space to open himself up for a shot, lost the ball and we conceded on the break. People hammered Carranza for that, whilst completely ignoring the fact that as a striker he shouldn’t be forced into that situation in the first place. 
 

The system is the root cause of our attacking issue, NOT the strikers. Don’t get me wrong, even if we fixed the system they will probably still struggle to deliver 15+ goals, but they will struggle to get 5+ under Cifuentes ball. 

[Lambert09]

I don’t think there’s any obvious appointment that  our board would go for that will improve us .  We’d have to go outside of the box and we simply don’t do that. 
 
 

I think we would have a shortlist of Martin and Potter and potter probably still thinks he’s better than us. 

 

[Blue.Fox84]

1 hour ago, kingfox said:

I said numerous times during the Premier League season that we failed to get with the trends. Counter attacks, fast breaks and generally being more direct was the name of the game last season, yet Steve Cooper thought it would be a good idea to want Premier League experience in Ayew and Reid. 
 

This season whether Premier League or Championship, all the talk has been about how teams are transferring to a more direct style, but looking at our statistics, it seems yet again we’re not following the right trends under Cifuentes. 
 

Coventry are top, Bristol City have started well too, they currently sit 2nd and 3rd for direct speed. For that statistic we currently rank 20th.

 

Charlton and Millwall have started well too, they currently rank 1st and 2nd for forward pass%. For that statistic we also rank 20th. 
 

The two teams who rank 1st and 2nd for 10+ pass sequences and build up attacks happen to be Leicester City and Southampton. Could both teams struggles be down to Championship opposition starting to work those teams out 🤔

 

Going more direct is becoming a useful tool, but it seems we aren’t delving into it enough. We’re still concentrating on being a ponderous possession team.

Football ideologies are like trends but it also depends on what you have available and how well you can deliver it too

 

Arguably we were the best at being a low black counter attacking team but we also had players that adapted to that style too. It took a little while to perfect, a lot of those players were apart of a very attacking team in the championship but sitting in and hurting teams with energy going forward is what won us the league. We were also underdogs going into that season so that style suited us, we weren’t blessed with speed in behind with Huth and Morgan but teams wanted to attack us which allowed us to play to our strengths. 
 

I really like the concept Brentford are doing, they are looking to play out by inviting pressure and then hitting in the top line and playing off that taking the risk leaving attacking players higher up. 
 

I think part of our problem is we have a midfield who get overran and we’re poor at defending. Being more direct could open up the game but I think what we’ve found is when we don’t have the ball we look vulnerable and that starts with how poor Faes and Vesty are at defending. We can’t afford to lose the ball and teams are happy to sit a little deeper against us doubling up on players like Fatawu knowing they can hurt us in numbers on a break

[Kitchandro]

18 hours ago, Claridge said:

Players are shit, that is the problem

Other teams have shit players, doesn’t mean a team can’t play with purpose and intensity. We have lacked this for years because we don’t hire a manager who demands it.

[AKCJ]

3 minutes ago, Kitchandro said:

Other teams have shit players, doesn’t mean a team can’t play with purpose and intensity. We have lacked this for years because we don’t hire a manager who demands it.

We've lacked it for years because we've got a dressing room full of ***** like Wout Faes and Harry Winks that don't give two shits.

 

Changing the manager will solve nothing. We need to start getting serious about shipping out the dozens of players we have in the squad that don't care.

[FrankieADZ]

50 minutes ago, Dan said:

Yes

*insert the magic roundabout music^

 

because if we keep doing that(changing managers) how is any sort of rebuild going to happen?

be so disjointed in terms of transfers etc too, kinda like with Cooper

cant have a rebuild without the pain, be like having a heart transplant and expecting the recovery to be pain free

 

Ill agree the form hasnt been good enough, but i kinda expected it after watching these jokers last season

[Kitchandro]

Just now, AKCJ said:

We've lacked it for years because we've got a dressing room full of ***** like Wout Faes and Harry Winks that don't give two shits.

 

Changing the manager will solve nothing. We need to start getting serious about shipping out the dozens of players we have in the squad that don't care.

Sorry, I don’t agree.

 

None of the managers we’ve hired had a reputation for high intensity before or after their time here. When we are chasing the game, all of a sudden you see intensity and we improve. 

That evidence suggests that the managers aren’t committed to a high press high intensity philosophy, either because they’re cowards or because they aren’t bright enough to see how important it is.

 

On the rare occasions we start with tempo, it drops off. So that might be an attitude problem, but it’s not the only problem.

[iancognito]

15 hours ago, Foxin_Mad said:

He’s utter wank and anyone who can not see that is blind. By far the most clueless clown in a long list of clowns employed by the club. The persistence with utter shit like Soumare is unfathomable. 

You think he's worse than Cooper and RVN?

[FrankieADZ]

4 minutes ago, Kitchandro said:

Sorry, I don’t agree.

 

None of the managers we’ve hired had a reputation for high intensity before or after their time here. When we are chasing the game, all of a sudden you see intensity and we improve. 

That evidence suggests that the managers aren’t committed to a high press high intensity philosophy, either because they’re cowards or because they aren’t bright enough to see how important it is.

 

On the rare occasions we start with tempo, it drops off. So that might be an attitude problem, but it’s not the only problem.

or the players arent following what is set out from the get go,

and we know some of the players arent bright either, im pretty sure Luke Thomas has the IQ of a walnet and Skipp has one of a garden plant pot

plus you can just tell the arrogance of some of them as well

[Dan]

9 minutes ago, FrankieADZ said:

*insert the magic roundabout music^

 

because if we keep doing that(changing managers) how is any sort of rebuild going to happen?

be so disjointed in terms of transfers etc too, kinda like with Cooper

cant have a rebuild without the pain, be like having a heart transplant and expecting the recovery to be pain free

 

Ill agree the form hasnt been good enough, but i kinda expected it after watching these jokers last season

We already know the rebuild isn't coming under this bloke. I would possibly overlook the tactical deficiencies if I saw signs of it.

 

I expected disjointedness as part of the overhaul. Maybe even the odd bad loss. We have made 'zero' progress this season. Literally zero.

[HankMarvin]

1 minute ago, iancognito said:

You think he's worse than Cooper and RVN?

Cooper had a promotion from the championship, RVN untested at this level.

Have you seen anything to suggest Marti could’ve done any better in the Prem?

As he as done **** all in 90 plus games in the champ to suggest it