Cifuentes OUT

[trooky]

49 minutes ago, Stadt said:

We won't have much money to replace them with and given our hit rate is about 33%, we probably get worse despite losing two shit players.

Daka and Soumare can **** off. 

 

If we're desperate for money we could recruit from non league and still get better than these two. 

[Kitchandro]

4 minutes ago, FrankieADZ said:

or the players arent following what is set out from the get go,

and we know some of the players arent bright either, im pretty sure Luke Thomas has the IQ of a walnet and Skipp has one of a garden plant pot

plus you can just tell the arrogance of some of them as well

I’m not saying the players aren’t arrogant and don’t have an attitude problem, nor that I rate all of them.

 

But that is a separate discussion as to whether we should have hired a manager and if he’s the right fit for the club. There is no evidence available that suggests Cifuentes would play a positive, high-tempo attacking style with a different group of players.
 

So whether the players are intentionally ignoring him isn’t really relevant. And the fact he’s unable to motivate them like Enzo did is relevant, because despite the fact I did not like his style of football, he DID motivate much of this same bunch of lazy, arrogant players. So it is possible.

[trooky]

3 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

Cooper had a promotion from the championship, RVN untested at this level.

Have you seen anything to suggest Marti could’ve done any better in the Prem?

As he as done **** all in 90 plus games in the champ to suggest it 

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

 

Having been so anti Cooper at the time of his appointment, I would have kept him now knowing how things have panned out.

 

He has more pedigree than either RVN or Marti in the Championship. 

 

It was also a massive mistake to pander to the  players who effectively forced Top's hand in sacking him.

 

The players have behaved discracfully and some have effectively stop playing for the shirt since then and are responsible for the toxicity between club and fans. 

 

 

[CrazyKopCorner]

Just because Cifunentes looks alas though he's bloody hopeless doesn't mean we should have kept some else who was just as bloody useless. i.e Cooper or RVFN 

[fleshdaddy]

I've been in my new job for about two months now, and I think I'm feeling how Marti probably is at the moment. A bit out of my depth without a shadow of doubt, but also that I'm surrounded by a lot of people with rather large egos and overinflated opinions of themselves, who can't accept being called out on their shit, especially after getting away with doing a shit job for so long.

I haven't got that dog in me, so I've already began to zone out and look for another job, likely before I get sacked! Just a shame I won't get a payout like Marti will!

[iancognito]

28 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

Cooper had a promotion from the championship, RVN untested at this level.

Have you seen anything to suggest Marti could’ve done any better in the Prem?

As he as done **** all in 90 plus games in the champ to suggest it 

I'm not going on past records, just what they did in their time here. RVN will go down as the worst manager in our modern history. Cooper ballsed up a decent starting XI by dropping Winks, Ricardo and Abdul and throwing in the likes of Ayew, BDR and Skipp. 

 

He's been saddled with a deadwood toxic squad with a couple of loanees and Monga to freshen it up. Do I think he's done well? No. Do I think we need to sack him and start again? Also no.

[kingfox]

54 minutes ago, Blue.Fox84 said:

Football ideologies are like trends but it also depends on what you have available and how well you can deliver it too

 

Arguably we were the best at being a low black counter attacking team but we also had players that adapted to that style too. It took a little while to perfect, a lot of those players were apart of a very attacking team in the championship but sitting in and hurting teams with energy going forward is what won us the league. We were also underdogs going into that season so that style suited us, we weren’t blessed with speed in behind with Huth and Morgan but teams wanted to attack us which allowed us to play to our strengths. 
 

I really like the concept Brentford are doing, they are looking to play out by inviting pressure and then hitting in the top line and playing off that taking the risk leaving attacking players higher up. 
 

I think part of our problem is we have a midfield who get overran and we’re poor at defending. Being more direct could open up the game but I think what we’ve found is when we don’t have the ball we look vulnerable and that starts with how poor Faes and Vesty are at defending. We can’t afford to lose the ball and teams are happy to sit a little deeper against us doubling up on players like Fatawu knowing they can hurt us in numbers on a break

I think there’s a few worrying factors we are currently seeing, but in terms of the last paragraph and the midfield, not replacing Ndidi’s attributes could hurt us in the long run imo. In terms of defensive duels this season, of midfielders in the Championship…

 

Skipp ranks 52nd

James ranks 76th

Soumare ranks 85th

Winks ranks 94th

 

This is from a list of 96 players. For possessions won, our midfielders don’t fare much better either.

 

Midfielders not doing the business on transition just exposes our mistake ridden centre backs. Luckily if you believe in xG, we’ve conceded less than expected, but we rank as the 7th worst team in the Championship in that statistic, that needs drastic improvement, otherwise it will probably catch up with us in the long run. 
 

I think our play has become predictable, teams don’t fear us nowadays when they perhaps did in 23/24. Is this team also physical and athletic enough, I also have my concerns regarding those aspects. 

[iancognito]

3 hours ago, STUHILL said:

Dyche would have us in the top 2 by now IMO. 

 

Not a great appointment for Forest though. Will keep them up but nothing much more than that.

Dyche was never coming here, neither was Moyes or anyone else with PL experience. These managers want organisation and stability behind the scenes and the whole football world knows we're a basket case outfit at boardroom level.

 

We're a mid table championship club with a mid table championship manager. Until there are changes at the top, anything at managerial level is just lipstick on a pig.

[cruzFOX]

Did Marti apologize for his error in a poor starting team selection? I didn’t catch his post match interview. Surely he has admit it was poor preparation. Doesn’t excuse the players that played so horribly.

[Dahnsouff]

4 minutes ago, iancognito said:

Dyche was never coming here, neither was Moyes or anyone else with PL experience. These managers want organisation and stability behind the scenes and the whole football world knows we're a basket case outfit at boardroom level.

 

We're a mid table championship club with a mid table championship manager. Until there are changes at the top, anything at managerial level is just lipstick on a pig.

He wasn’t as he thinks he is now better than the championship, and he is probably correct after all this time. Does not make him Premier League quality mind.

However, I realise we are not scoring, but I would love a defence savvy coach who can enforce some serious structure and pressing on this team, at least boring has an end product that way!

Right now we cannot out score teams, so we have to be better at the other end.

[tickler28]

Why has this thread even been started because last I checked we'd just sacked 2 managers in the last 12 months and had to wait until the next financial year to sack one of them....we have zero pounds to buy anyone so unless Foxes talk is doing a gofundme to get rid of Cifuentes this thread is pointless.

[Dahnsouff]

6 minutes ago, tickler28 said:

Why has this thread even been started because last I checked we'd just sacked 2 managers in the last 12 months and had to wait until the next financial year to sack one of them....we have zero pounds to buy anyone so unless Foxes talk is doing a gofundme to get rid of Cifuentes this thread is pointless.

Because some think we should be doing better, at least on the pitch if not in the table. It’s fair, but suspect it takes longer to right this particular ship.

[Tommy G]

2 hours ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said:

 

It absolutely wasn't "most people"

But what is Foxestalk without some sensationalism? 

[Philkeavo]

51 minutes ago, fleshdaddy said:

I've been in my new job for about two months now, and I think I'm feeling how Marti probably is at the moment. A bit out of my depth without a shadow of doubt, but also that I'm surrounded by a lot of people with rather large egos and overinflated opinions of themselves, who can't accept being called out on their shit, especially after getting away with doing a shit job for so long.

I haven't got that dog in me, so I've already began to zone out and look for another job, likely before I get sacked! Just a shame I won't get a payout like Marti will!

Good analogy. To be fair to you it’s seems highly unlikely you would have been aware of the toxic culture before you joined your organisation and I bet you didn’t trumpet your own ability to re-shape that culture. Cifuentes knew what he was letting himself in for. 

Edited 22 October 2025 by Philkeavo

[sm1]

56 minutes ago, fleshdaddy said:

I've been in my new job for about two months now, and I think I'm feeling how Marti probably is at the moment. A bit out of my depth without a shadow of doubt, but also that I'm surrounded by a lot of people with rather large egos and overinflated opinions of themselves, who can't accept being called out on their shit, especially after getting away with doing a shit job for so long.

I haven't got that dog in me, so I've already began to zone out and look for another job, likely before I get sacked! Just a shame I won't get a payout like Marti will!

Feel for you, I've been in that position.

[Dahnsouff]

2 minutes ago, Philkeavo said:

Good analogy. To be fair to you it’s seems highly unlikely you would have been aware of the toxic culture before you joined your organisation and I bet you didn’t trumpet your own ability to re-shape that culture. Cifuentes knew what he was letting himself in for. 

How can anyone know if they are not in the building? So much hyperbole around football, and not sure how much anyone can or should trust it from just looking in.  

[Long Eaton Fox]

Cifuentes is still finding the way to get the most out of a poor squad. Come January time and the transfer window opens I think  the changes will be made that starts to push us up the table. Until then I think it will be a bit rocky. Keep the faith please

[Manwell Pablo]

1 hour ago, trooky said:

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

 

Having been so anti Cooper at the time of his appointment, I would have kept him now knowing how things have panned out.

 

He has more pedigree than either RVN or Marti in the Championship. 

 

It was also a massive mistake to pander to the  players who effectively forced Top's hand in sacking him.

 

The players have behaved discracfully and some have effectively stop playing for the shirt since then and are responsible for the toxicity between club and fans. 

 

 

 

Well no it's not. When you didn't want Cooper out in the first place Hindsight has nothing to do with it.

 

You don't sack a manager for doing his job, Leicester City in 15th in the PL and looking reasonably competitive in nearly all our games was Steve Cooper doing his job, ridiculously harsh sacking. 

[AyewJoking]

1 hour ago, tickler28 said:

Why has this thread even been started because last I checked we'd just sacked 2 managers in the last 12 months and had to wait until the next financial year to sack one of them....we have zero pounds to buy anyone so unless Foxes talk is doing a gofundme to get rid of Cifuentes this thread is pointless.

more a case of people expressing they want him gone and why.

 

doubt anyone thinks he'll be sacked in the near future and would be shocked if he was.

[Tommy Fresh]

1 minute ago, Manwell Pablo said:

 

Well no it's not. When you didn't want Cooper out in the first place Hindsight has nothing to do with it.

 

You don't sack a manager for doing his job, Leicester City in 15th in the PL and looking reasonably competitive in nearly all our games was Steve Cooper doing his job, ridiculously harsh sacking. 

Were we competitive? I'd argue despite being above the relegation zone, we weren't very competitive at all really

[FrankieADZ]

2 hours ago, Dan said:

We already know the rebuild isn't coming under this bloke. I would possibly overlook the tactical deficiencies if I saw signs of it.

 

I expected disjointedness as part of the overhaul. Maybe even the odd bad loss. We have made 'zero' progress this season. Literally zero.

and the thing is, it wont change either (if we got a new manager) because we have dumb and dumber in charge above him

im pretty sure MC didnt ask for Thomas to get a new 4 year deal

[Filbert Fireworks]

Cifuentes isn't the problem. He has been very reflexive and not scared of changing the line up. Have to rotate players when your playing twice in a week. Against Hull it didn't work out because the back up ie soumare, hamza, Daka just aren't good enough.

Faes is a bomscare so got that call wrong. 

Its not an easy league our squad is weaker than last team. 

Maybe a bit of a reality check as to our actual ability and status is needed. 

Its a disjointed squad with several players with poor attitudes just off the back of the worst losing streak in Premier league history. Think we've all become a bit too entitled. 

The fall has been hard and painful but the squad that brought us success is long gone. 

Just Ricky Left. 

Hamza doesn't count as was always a bench player.  

[Filbert Fireworks]

4 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said:

 

Well no it's not. When you didn't want Cooper out in the first place Hindsight has nothing to do with it.

 

You don't sack a manager for doing his job, Leicester City in 15th in the PL and looking reasonably competitive in nearly all our games was Steve Cooper doing his job, ridiculously harsh sacking. 

Yeah we were struggling under Cooper but it was a premature sacking that backfired massively. 

[FrankieADZ]

1 hour ago, Kitchandro said:

I’m not saying the players aren’t arrogant and don’t have an attitude problem, nor that I rate all of them.

 

But that is a separate discussion as to whether we should have hired a manager and if he’s the right fit for the club. There is no evidence available that suggests Cifuentes would play a positive, high-tempo attacking style with a different group of players.
 

So whether the players are intentionally ignoring him isn’t really relevant. And the fact he’s unable to motivate them like Enzo did is relevant, because despite the fact I did not like his style of football, he DID motivate much of this same bunch of lazy, arrogant players. So it is possible.

tbf there was evidence of what MC could bring, from his spells in sweden etc, but no manager is going to 100% fit straight the way

didnt look like it from around feb time under Enzo mind

was incredibly stop start in every respect

 

[HankMarvin]

1 hour ago, iancognito said:

I'm not going on past records, just what they did in their time here. RVN will go down as the worst manager in our modern history. Cooper ballsed up a decent starting XI by dropping Winks, Ricardo and Abdul and throwing in the likes of Ayew, BDR and Skipp. 

 

He's been saddled with a deadwood toxic squad with a couple of loanees and Monga to freshen it up. Do I think he's done well? No. Do I think we need to sack him and start again? Also no.

So Marti has deadwood, but the same players that played last year  are not deadwood for those managers even though they were labelled as such the first time we went down