Gary Rowett

[Sol thewall Bamba]

11 hours ago, Clever Fox said:

We need to be brave and find a good up and coming manager. 

Right now I'd go for the Southampton manager if he could be got away from Southampton.

He has such a refreshing approach to the game. And Southampton look a really good team with the same squad that was facing relegation early in the season. 

How can you write this with a straight face? 

 

I think you've made up my mind that you're a troll account now, your takes are impossibly bad on a consistent basis for them to be serious.

[Guppys Love Child]

1 hour ago, Richmondfox said:

He’s just another caveman manager, no tactics or gameplay ideas other than keep it tight and clapping his hands on the sideline.  It doesn’t need to be an experiment, he has two seasons worth of games to learn how these players play.  He has let them play exactly the same way as what has gotten us into this mess.  It says more about him playing known knowns who continually fail over a know unknown who is scoring in the u21s or Page who has shown he can play with the 1st team.  

Yep it looks that way.

 

But unfortunately this is now the standard of manager we are stuck with these day's due to Top/Board and Rudkin incompetence and killingof the club.

 

I've said in numerous posts , along with others, what have we got to loose by radically changing things up front with an youth player.?

 

OK Daka had his "once in a blue moon" match on Friday, but it wouldn't surprise me if he reverted back to his normal misfit and misfiring self if played tomorrow.

Ayew, let's not go there.

 

Play Hutchinson, the lad obviously knows where the goal is,  and who knows he may just surprise us. By the same token he may crumble under the occasion and stink the place out, but - 'what have we got to loose"

 

 

 

[Richmondfox]

9 minutes ago, Guppys Love Child said:

Yep it looks that way.

 

But unfortunately this is now the standard of manager we are stuck with these day's due to Top/Board and Rudkin incompetence and killingof the club.

 

I've said in numerous posts , along with others, what have we got to loose by radically changing things up front with an youth player.?

 

OK Daka had his "once in a blue moon" match on Friday, but it wouldn't surprise me if he reverted back to his normal misfit and misfiring self if played tomorrow.

Ayew, let's not go there.

 

Play Hutchinson, the lad obviously knows where the goal is,  and who knows he may just surprise us. By the same token he may crumble under the occasion and stink the place out, but - 'what have we got to loose"

 

 

 

Or doesn’t really matter who we play upfront if Fatawu and Mavadidi play like they do.  They have let the attacking side down the most this season with their greedy play and lazy attitudes.  Take away Fatawu’s bangers and he can barely skin a championship clogger defender when he could just run into space beyond them and have them beat.  Brain dead players that need a manager like Enzo that will program into them what they have to do. 
 

he brought Ayew on and he wanted to do everything other than get near the goal. He helped lay off the ball for a cross but then couldn’t be bothered to run 2m to the be in the box. Another attack he had so much time to cross but waited till he was closed down to win a corner which he took and nothing came from it as always. 

Edited 5 April by Richmondfox

[AjcW]

12 hours ago, Clever Fox said:

We need to be brave and find a good up and coming manager. 

Right now I'd go for the Southampton manager if he could be got away from Southampton.

He has such a refreshing approach to the game. And Southampton look a really good team with the same squad that was facing relegation early in the season. 

That the fella who is on Newcastles shortlist?  

[Clever Fox]

22 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

How can you write this with a straight face? 

 

I think you've made up my mind that you're a troll account now, your takes are impossibly bad on a consistent basis for them to be serious.

That's your opinion and your entitled to it. But small time thinking gets you know where in Sport. 

I'm getting on a bit now, But having been in the game for a long time, The one thing I've learned is Football success starts with the right Manager. Then support from the Club. 

Haven't you learned anything from the Maresca appointment. 

That's what we need again, To appoint the right Manager. 

We are unlikely to attract a top manager given our current position, So the next best is a good up and coming Manager. Look at the job he's done with the squad he's inherited plus 1 signing. 

That should surely tell you something about his ability to Coach and Manage.

It's likely too late to get him now but that's the quality of Manager we need. 

I'd sooner we spent money on a good Manager than any player. Because the right Manager brings success. 

[Clever Fox]

9 minutes ago, AjcW said:

That the fella who is on Newcastles shortlist?  

I haven't heard anything about Newcastle looking at him. But don't be surprised if you see Liverpool either. 

 

We need to sign the right Manager no matter how much it costs, On the right Contract. 

[Chelmofox]

10 minutes ago, Clever Fox said:

I haven't heard anything about Newcastle looking at him. But don't be surprised if you see Liverpool either. 

 

We need to sign the right Manager no matter how much it costs, On the right Contract. 

Who is the right manager? Then there was a consensus that Will Still was the right manager at the start of this season and we’d massively lost out. There’s so much luck associated with it. How do you even heard of Maresca before he signed? And even then a big % on here wanted him sacked towards the end of his season. Current Southampton manager was appointed as interim. Did their owners really has faith it was going to go well?

Edited 5 April by Chelmofox

[Ric Flair]

10 hours ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

Rowett has got more of a tune out these clowns than the last few managers have. What did people expect in a club like ours that is rotten to the core.

Has he though? We are certainly no better than we were under Cifuentes up to end of December.

[honeybradger]

10 minutes ago, Clever Fox said:

I haven't heard anything about Newcastle looking at him. But don't be surprised if you see Liverpool either. 

 

We need to sign the right Manager no matter how much it costs, On the right Contract. 

No manager in football is good enough to get this lot playing well.

 

Also it is antithetical for a good manager to come here, a good manager would look at this squad and realise there is nothing to get out of them so would not join us.

 

Only managers who don't have a clue will come here.

[Stadt]

The trouble is we never have an Eckert in the building already.

 

Rudkin would never have the bravery or foresight to recruit a promising U21 manager from abroad. 
 

We’ve been behind the curve ever since Pearson and Walsh left. Even if we don’t self-immolate financially we’ll be in League 1 for years under Top and Rudkin because that’s the level of their capabilities.

 

To get Pep, Man City built a Barca/Pep level backroom team and infrastructure. FSG learned from their early mistakes and developed a smart, shrewd and lean operation finished by Klopp. Newcastle very quickly overhauled their backroom operation.

 

Brighton have had numerous employees poached but because the nous and strategic chops come from the owner, they can roll with the punches.

 

Top is thick, we’ve seen that and Rudkin, I think generously, probably has an IQ of about 102. 
 

Everything is slow, sclerotic, there is no dynamism or new ideas. As football has changed into aggressive man to man marking it’s killed slow positional play. Even Guardiola is much more direct but Top is wedded to slow build up until it puts in the shit, then we lurch to a reactive manager (Cooper, Rowett).

[StanSP]

21 minutes ago, Clever Fox said:

That's your opinion and your entitled to it. But small time thinking gets you know where in Sport. 

I'm getting on a bit now, But having been in the game for a long time, The one thing I've learned is Football success starts with the right Manager. Then support from the Club. 

Haven't you learned anything from the Maresca appointment. 

That's what we need again, To appoint the right Manager. 

We are unlikely to attract a top manager given our current position, So the next best is a good up and coming Manager. Look at the job he's done with the squad he's inherited plus 1 signing. 

That should surely tell you something about his ability to Coach and Manage.

It's likely too late to get him now but that's the quality of Manager we need. 

I'd sooner we spent money on a good Manager than any player. Because the right Manager brings success. 

But why would such a manager leave a playoff chasing/promotion chasing team to go to a team destined for League One

 

I'm all for being ambitious, but what's more likely to happen is getting an up and coming manager from League One or Two as opposed to getting a manager from someone at a club destined for better things higher than us in the league. 

[StanSP]

8 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Has he though? We are certainly no better than we were under Cifuentes up to end of December.

I feel more confident of getting a result with Rowett in place (given he's only been here a few weeks) compared to Cifuentes around end of last year. 

 

Might seem an odd take given the lack of points so far, but I see us being far more organised and well set than I do when Cifuentes was here. 

 

The trouble is, the damage has already been done. Way before Rowett came in. 

 

Bringing Rowett in so late was like trying to get the Titanic back to full functionality even though half of it was snapped off and into the water. 

[FLAN]

Former Leicester academy coach who has risen to DOF. The answer is under our noses 

[Happy Fox]

You would hope the club targets the likes of Cleverley , Jack Wiltshire in the summer for our managerial position.

[FLAN]

4 minutes ago, Happy Fox said:

You would hope the club targets the likes of Cleverley , Jack Wiltshire in the summer for our managerial position.

More likely to target them as players on 100k a week 

[1972 Fox]

1 hour ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

How can you write this with a straight face? 

 

I think you've made up my mind that you're a troll account now, your takes are impossibly bad on a consistent basis for them to be serious.

There's a huge irony in his/her FT name 'Clever Fox' 

[Devonfox1884]

I think both things can be true - performances (aside from Norwich and QPR) have improved but results haven’t.

 

Under Cifuentes we were lucky to get a lot of the points we have. Under Rowett, we’ve been unlucky to not accumulate more points (Stoke, Watford, Preston in particular).

 

I’d be willing to bet if we’d had Rowett from the start of the season we wouldn’t be in the relegation conversation, though we likely wouldn’t have been pushing up the top end of the table either.

[HankMarvin]

21 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Bringing Rowett in so late was like trying to get the Titanic back to full functionality even though half of it was snapped off and into the water

Hmmmm yet worked for WBA and Blackburn who were both in a worse position than us points wise 

[StanSP]

3 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

Hmmmm yet worked for WBA and Blackburn who were both in a worse position than us points wise 

To me it just emphasises how much damage had been done before... 

[oxtonfox]

32 minutes ago, honeybradger said:

No manager in football is good enough to get this lot playing well.

 

Also it is antithetical for a good manager to come here, a good manager would look at this squad and realise there is nothing to get out of them so would not join us.

 

Only managers who don't have a clue will come here.

or have a missus who wants you “out from under her feet”

[HankMarvin]

Just now, StanSP said:

To me it just emphasises how much damage had been done before... 

could that not be argued at those clubs?

Who had less points that us?

[oxtonfox]

30 minutes ago, StanSP said:

I feel more confident of getting a result with Rowett in place (given he's only been here a few weeks) compared to Cifuentes around end of last year. 

 

Might seem an odd take given the lack of points so far, but I see us being far more organised and well set than I do when Cifuentes was here. 

 

The trouble is, the damage has already been done. Way before Rowett came in. 

 

Bringing Rowett in so late was like trying to get the Titanic back to full functionality even though half of it was snapped off and into the water. 

If Rowett came in immediately we may have got the couple of points we may need to stay up . 

[Guppys Love Child]

12 hours ago, J.Lisemore said:

Don’t think he’s doing a bad job at all with this lot, if it wasn’t for some terrible misses at Watford we’d be 3 points better off and we’d all be saying he’s pulling us out of trouble. Other than the odd flash of brilliance from Fatawu and JJ, these players are League One standard. 

OK I can see your point here and agree with the 3 dropped points. 

 

But we need to ask the question, why the terrible misses?

 

Yep Daka, who apart from a "off day" on Friday, normally couldn't score in a brothel with a tenner in his back pocket, and his partner in crime Ayew who is just a lazy, uninterested, fraud stealing a wage is equally sh1t.

 

Rowett's insistence in playing one of these incompetent liabilities at the start of matches is part of the reason I disagree with you on your point "Don’t think he’s doing a bad job at all with this lot'

 

The lack of goals from each of them is plain to see,  its something the club or manager can't hide, but it's something they can try and change, but to date haven't even tried too ( just hidden behind the we need experience quotes)

 

Looking at this logically Rowett needs to ask the question why are they not scoring?

 

A - Both players are not good enough. 

B - Current set up, / tactics / formation doesn't give them or others the best opportunity to score.

C Not playing to their or other's individual strengths. 

 

If its answer A change for someone completely different as the focal point i.e. a youth player, or loan, or shift another attacking player.

 

If it's answer B  then come away from 4-2-3-1 that obviously doesn't work, as our results and league position doesn't lie.

Try counter attacking by putting Aluko in at fullback who unlike Ricardo will have an engine and then play 3 at the back.

Or, try a more direct route, 

Or pack the midfield.

Or 4-4-2.

Or anything different,  but come on Gary JUST BLOODY TRY SOMETHING ELSE.

 

If the answer is C  then see and act on points A and B

 

The logical points above aren't rocket science, aren't hard to grasp, aren't hard to implement even with the standard of professional players we have, but it needs Rowett to grow a pair, admit that currently what he and the players are doing isn't working  and seriously and radically change things and or players.

 

We are predictable, other teams know how we play and how we set up, let's see if we can catch them out by being different for the remaining matches.  If not and we stay as is then expect much of the same and results and performances that mirror the season we have just endured so far.

 

 

 

 

[HankMarvin]

23 minutes ago, Devonfox1884 said:

I’d be willing to bet if we’d had Rowett from the start of the season we wouldn’t be in the relegation conversation

I think he needs to actually start winning games for that to be said, 8 games is a fair amount and just one win is pretty pony.

 

New Blackburn manager 4 wins in 9    1.56 per game 

New WBA manager 2 wins in 6 1.50 per game

 

Rowett 1.0 ppg at that rate on course for 40 points at this stage of the season.

 

This season he has managed 31 games in total and is on 0.97 with just 6 wins 

Edited 5 April by HankMarvin

[winteriscoming]

30 minutes ago, Devonfox1884 said:

I think both things can be true - performances (aside from Norwich and QPR) have improved but results haven’t.

 

Under Cifuentes we were lucky to get a lot of the points we have. Under Rowett, we’ve been unlucky to not accumulate more points (Stoke, Watford, Preston in particular).

 

I’d be willing to bet if we’d had Rowett from the start of the season we wouldn’t be in the relegation conversation, though we likely wouldn’t have been pushing up the top end of the table either.

I’m not so sure. 
1 win in 8 doesn’t suggest we’d be mid table. 
Yes we’ve improved how we play but had we started the season with him he’d have stuck with the experienced shit egos instead of going with the younger players which is what we should have done. 
He’s done well in previous jobs in this league but the bottom line is Oxford thought they could do better with someone else in charge. 
We basically hired an Oxford reject. 
That’s how far we’ve fallen.