Gary Rowett

[lcfc_forever]

I feel for Rowett. In a normal season, you easily win 2 of those previous 3 games, if not all 3. 

 

The overall play is so much better. But he hasn't been able to cut out the bozo moments, like missing penalties or switching off at set pieces defensively that's costing us dearly. 

 

Hopefully he sticks with the set up of Ayew playing behind a striker, as we have to take some risks now, it's his best position and Mukasa's returns have dropped off. James is also better in central midfield. 

 

So that means Ayew starting with Daka, as well as James coming in for Winks (obvious) and Jannik for Okoli (to help with defensive organisation and passing). 

[Officer Doofy]

He is a meaningless man. 

 

 

Couldn't change a lightbulb 

[Happy Fox]

Untill Aiyatwatt sells up we aren’t going to get a remotely good manager here anymore it will be more dross. The clown needs to sell up, and take Rudkin with him back to Bangkok.

[Tielemans63]

No better than Marti. Possibly slightly worse

[HankMarvin]

2 wins in his last 19 games 

[CrazyKopCorner]

Keeps comparing our games with the 500 or so games he's played and then getting himself confused 

 

You'd swerve our Gary if you were picking a pub quiz team 

[stevostadium]

I 100% blame the players. None of them couldnt care less albeit 1 or 2.

Were doomed regardless of whose in charge.

Pep wouldnt keep this lot of spoilt brats up.

 

I did here over the weekend that hes not at all popular with the players.

Be a case of another manager being booted out due to player power.

 

I had high hopes for him but he hasnt really changed much, apart from putting Vesty up front for about 10 mins.

There again he hasnt a lot of options to  change.

 

He has always played fairly direct forward with a big target man.

 

Makes you question the appointment in teh first place, but then again, what do you expect from the powers that be.

[Bert]

2 hours ago, lcfc_forever said:

I feel for Rowett. In a normal season, you easily win 2 of those previous 3 games, if not all 3. 

 

The overall play is so much better. But he hasn't been able to cut out the bozo moments, like missing penalties or switching off at set pieces defensively that's costing us dearly. 

 

Hopefully he sticks with the set up of Ayew playing behind a striker, as we have to take some risks now, it's his best position and Mukasa's returns have dropped off. James is also better in central midfield. 

 

So that means Ayew starting with Daka, as well as James coming in for Winks (obvious) and Jannik for Okoli (to help with defensive organisation and passing). 

I pretty much fully agree with this. We’ve probably done enough in chances over the last 2 games to win 4. It’s the brain dead stuff that’s really hurting us. We’ve switched off at two set pieces over the weekend which have both ultimately lead to us conceding and having backs against the wall, even more so when you consider our frailty when conceding.  
 

Unfortunately I think the word is that JJ is a doubt for Saturday. Every single game is must  win. We are currently very lucky that we aren’t miles adrift, because of how poor other teams around us are. 

[Dan]

Less wins than Hodgson. Crikey.

[kingfox]

For where we were in the league, his appointment made sense, if we were mid-table when Marti left, then I don’t think Rowett would’ve been in the conversation.

 

After a few early encouraging signs, it’s just gone back to being shit, proper alarm bells started to ring again when we lost to QPR. The most frustrating thing about Rowett is the fact he hasn’t changed it, same formation, rinse and repeat. 
 

Of course he isn’t solely to blame, as this squad has a serious mentality problem. He hasn’t rectified it yet and time is running out. 
 

If we end up in League 1, who on earth do you turn to? On paper, Rowett could easily be seen as a decent option for that level, League 1 is currently littered with managers who either have experience in the lower leagues, or novices who have stepped up from being an assistant/coach. 

[Chelmofox]

I just dont see the improvement though. We were hugely inconsistent under Marti but we still had those games we 'should have won', such as Coventry and Middlesbrough at home. We beat an even better version of Sheffield Wednesday and beat Ipswich at home 3-1.  Lots of talk about being 'better away' but we last won away on December 6th!

 

The formation we persist with means we get cut open in Midfield time after time. Its what led to Prestons first goal and Sheffield Weds were doing it yesterday.  Our marking on set pieces is currently the worst i have seen all season.  Riccy is still an embarrassment floating around the pitch, unable to pass or defend, and teams still target his side.

 

27 minutes ago, kingfox said:

If we end up in League 1, who on earth do you turn to? On paper, Rowett could easily be seen as a decent option for that level, League 1 is currently littered with managers who either have experience in the lower leagues, or novices who have stepped up from being an assistant/coach. 

Regardless of where you are, you need a 'winner' charge. Rowett isn't a winner. He thinks he is a grafter and is suited to the underdog role. When in League 1, we need someone who can coach the academy kids to be winners at that level.

Edited 7 April by Chelmofox

[HankMarvin]

1 minute ago, Chelmofox said:

I just dont see the improvement though. We were hugely inconsistent under Marti but we still had those games we 'should have won', such as Coventry and Middlesbrough at home. We beat an even better version of Sheffield Wednesday and beat Ipswich at home 3-1.  Lots of talk about being 'better away' but we last won away on December 6th!

 

The formation we persist with means we get cut open in Midfield time after time. Its what led to Prestons first goal and Sheffield Weds were doing it yesterday.  Our marking on set pieces is currently the worst i have seen all season. 

 

Regardless of where you are, you need a 'winner' charge. Rowett isn't a winner. He thinks he is a grafter and is suited to the underdog role. When in League 1, we need someone who can coach the academy kids to be winners at that level.

Could’ve saved a few million and gone with Brian Barry Murphy after RVN like a lot of fans suggested 

[whoareyaaa]

2 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

Could’ve saved a few million and gone with Brian Barry Murphy after RVN like a lot of fans suggested 

Players would have just thrown him under the bus and not perform like every manager since Enzo though.

 

nothings going to change till we get rid of some of these players 

[Chelmofox]

6 game form guide is interesting too.  He's played a few teams bang out of form and the only one we managed to exploit was Bristol (who are only 17th because of 2 wins following Woy coming in).  This is why I am not keen on talking about 'improvements' - there were massive opportunities here.

 

Also worth pointing out that Hull and Swansea are struggling for form. Again - I bet we draw both games and start using the exact same formation.

 

[nnfox]

32 minutes ago, kingfox said:

 

If we end up in League 1, who on earth do you turn to? On paper, Rowett could easily be seen as a decent option for that level, League 1 is currently littered with managers who either have experience in the lower leagues, or novices who have stepped up from being an assistant/coach. 

It's an interesting question.  I do wonder if Rowett wasn't given a longer term contract because we need to see where we are.  It's a bit ironic really that the thing that will most likely get him the gig on a permanent basis would be relegation.  Honestly believe that if we stay up, Top and co will genuinely think we're on a promotion push and probably won't fancy Rowett at all.

 

Personally, if we stay up, I'd being looking at a three year project before challenging for promotion.  We have to stop the rot, have a mass clear out, save some money and stay in the division, before starting to add a bit of quality here and there.  I'm not sure Rowett is the man to build a squad to chase promotion, but I think he would keep us up, if he stayed.

[Chelmofox]

1 minute ago, nnfox said:

It's an interesting question.  I do wonder if Rowett wasn't given a longer term contract because we need to see where we are.  It's a bit ironic really that the thing that will most likely get him the gig on a permanent basis would be relegation.  Honestly believe that if we stay up, Top and co will genuinely think we're on a promotion push and probably won't fancy Rowett at all.

 

Personally, if we stay up, I'd being looking at a three year project before challenging for promotion.  We have to stop the rot, have a mass clear out, save some money and stay in the division, before starting to add a bit of quality here and there.  I'm not sure Rowett is the man to build a squad to chase promotion, but I think he would keep us up, if he stayed.

No matter what happens, Rowett should be nowhere near this club next season.  

[HankMarvin]

2 minutes ago, Chelmofox said:

No matter what happens, Rowett should be nowhere near this club next season.  

Losing less, but also winning less.

unless he dramatically turns it round with 3/4 wins he hasn’t really shown anything other than the form that got him sacked at Oxford.

[SemperEadem]

45 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

Players would have just thrown him under the bus and not perform like every manager since Enzo though.

 

nothings going to change till we get rid of some of these players 

Yeah it came out he had a training to do with a few of them.

[bmt]

I imagine all our managers are operating under constraints we dont know about (senior management influence) - but he sucks. We need a manager who will make big decisions and justify them in press conferences imo. They all tow the line too much.

[HankMarvin]

14 minutes ago, bmt said:

 

I imagine all our managers are operating under constraints we dont know about

 

Given that the club is on their arse, wouldn’t one of the decisions from senior managements influence made sense if it would’ve been to play Monga more, to add value or at the very least more bench appearances. I’d understand the reluctance of it if it was the RW position but Mavididi has 2 goals and 2 assists in 37

Monga has a goal and 2 assists in 880 mins 

Edited 7 April by HankMarvin

[Derby Blue]

Our last 4 managers have all failed to stop this car crash. It's the lazy prima donnas on the field that are the main culprits for the demise in the past few years. We need a complete reset whichever division we're in.

[Fox92]

1 hour ago, Chelmofox said:

I just dont see the improvement though. We were hugely inconsistent under Marti but we still had those games we 'should have won', such as Coventry and Middlesbrough at home. We beat an even better version of Sheffield Wednesday and beat Ipswich at home 3-1.  Lots of talk about being 'better away' but we last won away on December 6th!

 

The formation we persist with means we get cut open in Midfield time after time. Its what led to Prestons first goal and Sheffield Weds were doing it yesterday.  Our marking on set pieces is currently the worst i have seen all season.  Riccy is still an embarrassment floating around the pitch, unable to pass or defend, and teams still target his side.

We "should have won" games under Rowett too. We should have won yesterday for a start, the chances we missed especially the one where Ricardo just hits it straight at the goalkeeper. Watford A and Stoke A too. 

 

Players are not performing well enough. At the end of the day Rowett wouldn't be hear if Cifuentes was any good. Rowett was always going to be defensive minded kind of manager so I don't know why people talk as if they expected different. 

[Claudio Fannieri]

1 hour ago, whoareyaaa said:

Players would have just thrown him under the bus and not perform like every manager since Enzo though.

 

nothings going to change till we get rid of some of these players 

Or the ownership and Director of Football Operations (or whatever title he goes by now) stops pandering to these players and finally back a manager to sort the culture and standards out. 
 

RVN called it out last year pretty early on and did at least prepared to take the players head on but a mix of poor results and weakness from the board, meant he was sacked. In hindsight had he been given this season I am not sure we would be struggling to stay up. 

Edited 7 April by Claudio Fannieri

[bmt]

6 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

Given that the club is on their arse, wouldn’t one of the decisions from senior managements influence made sense if it was to been

play Monga more, to add value or at the very least more bench appearances. I’d understand the reluctance of it if it was the RW position but Mavididi has 2 goals and 2 assists in 37

Monga has a goal and 2 assists in 880 mins 

Completely agree, but they haven't been know for either strategic or tactical thinking! 

[Muzzy_no7]

Bit baffled he didn’t bring Mark Sale with him, too. 
 

Sadler and Hughes stinking the place out.

 

King should be working with the 18s and 23s.

Edited 7 April by Muzzy_no7