Absolute *** of our time Pt.MXXVI

[splinterdream]

1 hour ago, Clogger_ said:

Yes, it is. Extremely weird

You think his nut zero zealotry is good for the UK's economy and the british people within it? 

[Clogger_]

17 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

You think his nut zero zealotry is good for the UK's economy and the british people within it? 

Ed Miliband remains one of the more impressive and capable politicians in our country. Look at the pygmies in our right wing parties if you doubt it! That's why the RW press go after him so hard. In turn that's why he has become your bete noire!

 

I think the phrase "nut (sic) zero zealotry" is deeply, deeply weird. What do you want: more fossil fuels? Less renewables? More emissions? No ambitions to improve things for the future? Really?! Can you explain yourself, as I'm all ears.

 

I wonder which countries have the cheapest energy? Spoiler: as covered previously on this thread, it isn't those most reliant on fossil fuels...

 

Do you think being so dependent on importing gas is a good thing in our changing world?

 

And don't give it the "drill more in the North Sea" argument without being able to explain *how* that will help in any meaningful way at all! Gut instinct isn't enough: anyone with expertise is absolutely clear that the North Sea is *not* the answer.

 

The policies being pursued by the government are a step in the right direction, but they clearly do not go far enough or quickly enough.

 

As for pollution, look at the positive impact of ULEZ extension on emissions and air quality.

 

The zealots we should be concerned about are those lobbyists for the fossil fuel industry, coupled with politicians desperate for donations and/or attention from the crazies in the US.

[Clogger_]

Oh, and to mention Ed Miliband in this thread is so, so, so odd. I wonder which politicians 'splinterdream' would hold as paragons of virtue? And don't give the cop out answer of "none, they're all as bad as eachother"

[splinterdream]

Just now, Clogger_ said:

Ed Miliband remains one of the more impressive and capable politicians in our country. Look at the pygmies in our right wing parties if you doubt it! That's why the RW press go after him so hard. In turn that's why he has become your bete noire!

 

I think the phrase "nut (sic) zero zealotry" is deeply, deeply weird. What do you want: more fossil fuels? Less renewables? More emissions? No ambitions to improve things for the future? Really?! Can you explain yourself, as I'm all ears.

 

I wonder which countries have the cheapest energy? Spoiler: as covered previously on this thread, it isn't those most reliant on fossil fuels...

 

Do you think being so dependent on importing gas is a good thing in our changing world?

 

And don't give it the "drill more in the North Sea" argument without being able to explain *how* that will help in any meaningful way at all! Gut instinct isn't enough: anyone with expertise is absolutely clear that the North Sea is *not* the answer.

 

The policies being pursued by the government are a step in the right direction, but they clearly do not go far enough or quickly enough.

 

As for pollution, look at the positive impact of ULEZ extension on emissions and air quality.

 

The zealots we should be concerned about are those lobbyists for the fossil fuel industry, coupled with politicians desperate for donations and/or attention from the crazies in the US.

I read the first few lines and stopped.

I think the labour party are and always have been a bunch of clowns.

I hate this govt more than the last one, and the one before that. They have ruined this Country and right now milliband and his fellow clowns are apart of that which is why the future of Britain is bleak. Milliband, like his brother, and Blair will be fine though so you've no need to worry.

[Clogger_]

1 minute ago, splinterdream said:

I read the first few lines and stopped.

I think the labour party are and always have been a bunch of clowns.

I hate this govt more than the last one, and the one before that. They have ruined this Country and right now milliband and his fellow clowns are apart of that which is why the future of Britain is bleak. Milliband, like his brother, and Blair will be fine though so you've no need to worry.

Ah! Thanks for that

[splinterdream]

7 minutes ago, Clogger_ said:

Oh, and to mention Ed Miliband in this thread is so, so, so odd. I wonder which politicians 'splinterdream' would hold as paragons of virtue? And don't give the cop out answer of "none, they're all as bad as eachother"

 

[leicsmac]

7 hours ago, splinterdream said:

I read the first few lines and stopped.

I think the labour party are and always have been a bunch of clowns.

I hate this govt more than the last one, and the one before that. They have ruined this Country and right now milliband and his fellow clowns are apart of that which is why the future of Britain is bleak. Milliband, like his brother, and Blair will be fine though so you've no need to worry.

That's a shame. 

 

I was hoping to actually hear a cogent argument about why continuing carbon emissions in the face of increasing global average temperature and all the consequences it is causing and will cause was a good idea. 

 

Perhaps I was expecting too much.

[splinterdream]

1 hour ago, leicsmac said:

That's a shame. 

 

I was hoping to actually hear a cogent argument about why continuing carbon emissions in the face of increasing global average temperature and all the consequences it is causing and will cause was a good idea. 

 

Perhaps I was expecting too much.

If, and its a big if, any change in the climate is man made, importing our energy at great cost and harm to the economy to save less than 1% pf world global emissions without any idea of whether it will make any difference is utter stupidity. It can be done but at a steady pace. Labour id wrecking the economy, unemployment up, welfare up, taxes up, a weak PM who is being bossed around by his back benchers, whilst he clings onto power. 

What was it you lefties said when labour won? The adults are in the room. Well those adults are decreasing defense spending whilst being warned we are in great danger, they think its more important to bring sex toys into the commons in a war against the manosphere. Its pathetic and milliband is right up there, and worse we have a generation of stupids who are being sucked in by Dave Polanski and his secterian cohort. God help us 🙏 

[leicsmac]

3 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

If, and its a big if, any change in the climate is man made, importing our energy at great cost and harm to the economy to save less than 1% pf world global emissions without any idea of whether it will make any difference is utter stupidity. It can be done but at a steady pace. 

Right, so the entire scientific consensus of data on the matter, in terms of status, consequences and recommended action, can be disregarded entirely, then? Because that consensus is crystal clear, as is the timeframe, and, 1% of global emissions or not, engaging the rest of the world in a communal race to the bottom, rather than choosing a better way, (unsurprisingly) doesn't end well. 

 

6 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

 

What was it you lefties said when labour won? The adults are in the room. Well those adults are decreasing defense spending whilst being warned we are in great danger, they think its more important to bring sex toys into the commons in a war against the manosphere. Its pathetic and milliband is right up there, and worse we have a generation of stupids who are being sucked in by Dave Polanski and his secterian cohort. God help us 🙏 

Does caring about the future of our species beyond petty human conflicts over most nothing at all make a person a leftie? I hope not - I would hope that future was everyone's concern. 

 

There's no point in preparing for a threat from other humans when natural events will render whatever is left not worth fighting over anyway, tribal politics don't maintain human civilisation in a world where resources are vastly reduced. 

 

The "manosphere" is a lesser issue, to be sure, but do ask pretty much any woman present in your life if they feel threatened by those who are present in that particular sphere and you'll get the same reply, so perhaps it might be nice to help them address that threat?

 

And wrt to your last sentence - if there is a deity, it won't help us in a way we understand, historical evidence is pretty clear on that. So we've got to help ourselves - and that means being better than short term self interested tribalism. 

[SpacedX]

20 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

If, and its a big if, any change in the climate is man made

Staggering. 

[CornwallFox]

25 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

If, and its a big if, any change in the climate is man made, importing our energy at great cost and harm to the economy to save less than 1% pf world global emissions without any idea of whether it will make any difference is utter stupidity. It can be done but at a steady pace. Labour id wrecking the economy, unemployment up, welfare up, taxes up, a weak PM who is being bossed around by his back benchers, whilst he clings onto power. 

What was it you lefties said when labour won? The adults are in the room. Well those adults are decreasing defense spending whilst being warned we are in great danger, they think its more important to bring sex toys into the commons in a war against the manosphere. Its pathetic and milliband is right up there, and worse we have a generation of stupids who are being sucked in by Dave Polanski and his secterian cohort. God help us 🙏 

All of your information appears to have come from a daily telegraph colouring book. 

 

Labour are hugely increasing defence spending. Tory cuts to defence spending meant that £75bn was cut from the department over their time in office. Over the first 7 years of Tory rule, real terms spending dropped by 22%, only riding back up to 2010 levels. 

Labour have already implemented spending increases equivalent to 3.8% a year to 2028/29 and gave committed to a much higher top end % of GDP spent on the military. So the facts do not support the nonsense you've written. 

 

On energy, we sold off our energy industry under Thatcher. We do not have the means to explore, extract or hold gas or oil. We can only sell licenses to private companies to explore who then drill and sell internationally. If we tried to make them sell to us at low cost, they wouldn't even bother exploring let alone drilling. Most of the north sea is heavily depleted. What is left is hard to reach and extract and has higher associated costs. So drilling WILL NOT reduce prices. 

 

Meanwhile, clean energy is up to 9x cheaper - you're putting up solar panels or windmills, not drilling under a sea - and means we can own our own energy production. It even means you can personally own your own energy production. Lanour are finally signing contracts for nuclear which the Tories refused to get signed so we will take a base load of nuclear underneath. This is the only way to cheap, UK owned energy. 

 

You really need to stop reading nonsense from right wing papers, GB news, reform etc. They are all heavily funded by big oil. 

 

If there was any doubt about man made climate change, the oil companies would make the scientists involved the richest scientists on earth and you would be reading their evidence everywhere. But you don't, and they don't, since even the oil companies have scientists that have been telling them for decades about man made climate change. 

Edited 15 April by CornwallFox

[Zear0]

29 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

If, and its a big if, any change in the climate is man made, importing our energy at great cost and harm to the economy to save less than 1% pf world global emissions without any idea of whether it will make any difference is utter stupidity. It can be done but at a steady pace. Labour id wrecking the economy, unemployment up, welfare up, taxes up, a weak PM who is being bossed around by his back benchers, whilst he clings onto power. 

What was it you lefties said when labour won? The adults are in the room. Well those adults are decreasing defense spending whilst being warned we are in great danger, they think its more important to bring sex toys into the commons in a war against the manosphere. Its pathetic and milliband is right up there, and worse we have a generation of stupids who are being sucked in by Dave Polanski and his secterian cohort. God help us 🙏 

My god

[Thefox81]

1 hour ago, splinterdream said:

If, and its a big if, any change in the climate is man made, importing our energy at great cost and harm to the economy to save less than 1% pf world global emissions without any idea of whether it will make any difference is utter stupidity. It can be done but at a steady pace. Labour id wrecking the economy, unemployment up, welfare up, taxes up, a weak PM who is being bossed around by his back benchers, whilst he clings onto power. 

What was it you lefties said when labour won? The adults are in the room. Well those adults are decreasing defense spending whilst being warned we are in great danger, they think its more important to bring sex toys into the commons in a war against the manosphere. Its pathetic and milliband is right up there, and worse we have a generation of stupids who are being sucked in by Dave Polanski and his secterian cohort. God help us 🙏 

Just no words 

[splinterdream]

Crikey, the pearl clutching in here is off the charts, calm down ladies 🤣

[leicsmac]

6 hours ago, splinterdream said:

Crikey, the pearl clutching in here is off the charts, calm down ladies 🤣

When you're ready to actually address points made in good faith, I'm sure that someone will be about, mon ami. 

[urban.spaceman]

7 hours ago, splinterdream said:

If, and its a big if,

@Samilktray @Thefox81 @FoxesDeb @Zear0 @HighPeakFox @worthosoriginals

Be honest - how far into this post did you click the laugh emoji?

Edited 15 April by urban.spaceman

[splinterdream]

7 hours ago, CornwallFox said:

All of your information appears to have come from a daily telegraph colouring book. 

 

Labour are hugely increasing defence spending. Tory cuts to defence spending meant that £75bn was cut from the department over their time in office. Over the first 7 years of Tory rule, real terms spending dropped by 22%, only riding back up to 2010 levels. 

Labour have already implemented spending increases equivalent to 3.8% a year to 2028/29 and gave committed to a much higher top end % of GDP spent on the military. So the facts do not support the nonsense you've written. 

 

On energy, we sold off our energy industry under Thatcher. We do not have the means to explore, extract or hold gas or oil. We can only sell licenses to private companies to explore who then drill and sell internationally. If we tried to make them sell to us at low cost, they wouldn't even bother exploring let alone drilling. Most of the north sea is heavily depleted. What is left is hard to reach and extract and has higher associated costs. So drilling WILL NOT reduce prices. 

 

Meanwhile, clean energy is up to 9x cheaper - you're putting up solar panels or windmills, not drilling under a sea - and means we can own our own energy production. It even means you can personally own your own energy production. Lanour are finally signing contracts for nuclear which the Tories refused to get signed so we will take a base load of nuclear underneath. This is the only way to cheap, UK owned energy. 

 

You really need to stop reading nonsense from right wing papers, GB news, reform etc. They are all heavily funded by big oil. 

 

If there was any doubt about man made climate change, the oil companies would make the scientists involved the richest scientists on earth and you would be reading their evidence everywhere. But you don't, and they don't, since even the oil companies have scientists that have been telling them for decades about man made climate change. 

Labour have made empty promises on defense spending, but we all know welfare budget needs cuts to fund it. Lord Robertson (a labour peer and ex nato chief) criticism (corrosive complaceny) of the govt, Starmer doesn't except. As for the Tories, different times as we went through a pandemic funding furlough, and previously dealing with the deficit, which Labour also advocated large cuts.

 

As for energy privatisation, I was a child of a public sector British Gas, remember privatisation. The company was a drain on the tax payer, now I'm no economist, and no political history expert, but I know Britain used to be called the poor man of Europe, and Thatcher brought years of huge growth to the Country without having mass immigration to fiddle the numbers. What has happened since perhaps may be the fault of subsequent governments not keeping their eye on the industries investment in public infrastructure, but net zero policies and huge taxes are having a huge impact to cost of living, and all this whilst labour increase welfare above 6%, a larger increase than the cost of inflation. 

[splinterdream]

7 hours ago, CornwallFox said:

All of your information appears to have come from a daily telegraph colouring book. 

 

Labour are hugely increasing defence spending. Tory cuts to defence spending meant that £75bn was cut from the department over their time in office. Over the first 7 years of Tory rule, real terms spending dropped by 22%, only riding back up to 2010 levels. 

Labour have already implemented spending increases equivalent to 3.8% a year to 2028/29 and gave committed to a much higher top end % of GDP spent on the military. So the facts do not support the nonsense you've written. 

 

On energy, we sold off our energy industry under Thatcher. We do not have the means to explore, extract or hold gas or oil. We can only sell licenses to private companies to explore who then drill and sell internationally. If we tried to make them sell to us at low cost, they wouldn't even bother exploring let alone drilling. Most of the north sea is heavily depleted. What is left is hard to reach and extract and has higher associated costs. So drilling WILL NOT reduce prices. 

 

Meanwhile, clean energy is up to 9x cheaper - you're putting up solar panels or windmills, not drilling under a sea - and means we can own our own energy production. It even means you can personally own your own energy production. Lanour are finally signing contracts for nuclear which the Tories refused to get signed so we will take a base load of nuclear underneath. This is the only way to cheap, UK owned energy. 

 

You really need to stop reading nonsense from right wing papers, GB news, reform etc. They are all heavily funded by big oil. 

 

If there was any doubt about man made climate change, the oil companies would make the scientists involved the richest scientists on earth and you would be reading their evidence everywhere. But you don't, and they don't, since even the oil companies have scientists that have been telling them for decades about man made climate change. 

As for drilling for oil and gas, it's about energy security rather than importing it. Importing it mean it has to be converted to liquid for before we recieve it then coverted back adding costs and being less friendly to the environment. It is utterly stupid to think you can be reliant on renewables.

[StanSP]

7 hours ago, splinterdream said:

Crikey, the pearl clutching in here is off the charts, calm down ladies 🤣

Maybe if you answered the sensible questions in the below post, you wouldn't have such a laughable reaction to what you think...

 

17 hours ago, Clogger_ said:

Ed Miliband remains one of the more impressive and capable politicians in our country. Look at the pygmies in our right wing parties if you doubt it! That's why the RW press go after him so hard. In turn that's why he has become your bete noire!

 

I think the phrase "nut (sic) zero zealotry" is deeply, deeply weird. What do you want: more fossil fuels? Less renewables? More emissions? No ambitions to improve things for the future? Really?! Can you explain yourself, as I'm all ears.

 

I wonder which countries have the cheapest energy? Spoiler: as covered previously on this thread, it isn't those most reliant on fossil fuels...

 

Do you think being so dependent on importing gas is a good thing in our changing world?

 

And don't give it the "drill more in the North Sea" argument without being able to explain *how* that will help in any meaningful way at all! Gut instinct isn't enough: anyone with expertise is absolutely clear that the North Sea is *not* the answer.

 

The policies being pursued by the government are a step in the right direction, but they clearly do not go far enough or quickly enough.

 

As for pollution, look at the positive impact of ULEZ extension on emissions and air quality.

 

The zealots we should be concerned about are those lobbyists for the fossil fuel industry, coupled with politicians desperate for donations and/or attention from the crazies in the US.

 

[CornwallFox]

11 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

As for drilling for oil and gas, it's about energy security rather than importing it. Importing it mean it has to be converted to liquid for before we recieve it then coverted back adding costs and being less friendly to the environment. It is utterly stupid to think you can be reliant on renewables.

The rest of Europe are reliant on renewables. Sweden is 99% renewable. You are wrong. And all the drilling in the north sea you can imagine does nothing for energy security as it still isn't owned by us and it's sold internationally. 

 

As for your previous post, it's a mix of biased opinion, conjecture, whataboutism and nonsense. 

 

Thatcher is the cause of this nation's ills. She sold off the nation's assets. She believed it would lead to the people becoming small shareholders and having a direct stake. All that happened is our national interests are now owned by huge multinationals that are there to skim profits rather than deliver services. See our water industry where the companies are over £60bn in debt and it just so happens that shareholders have took just over£60bn out in dividends. With rail, they underfunded it to make it bad to argue for privatisation. Yet taxpayer input INCREASED after privatisation. All privatisations have failed the people.

 

On corporate governance her changes are what has caused ever increasing %s of national product to go to ceos and shareholders, rather than workers sharing in the increases profits they create. This change means more of the profits of the domestic product get lost from the economy as the ultra rich don't spend all their wealth, and so tax rates are going up and up for everybody else. She is the root cause. We are absolutely seeing successive governments overseeing national decline because nobody has yet undone what she did.

 

Thatcher took short term gains in return for wrecking the country long term. 

 

You don't appear to really understand any of the things you are talking about. You're just rehearsing right wing propaganda without any real insight into what actually goes on as far as I can see. 

 

Id rather our conversation ends here.

Edited 15 April by CornwallFox

[Samilktray]

42 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

@Samilktray @Thefox81 @FoxesDeb @Zear0 @HighPeakFox @worthosoriginals

Be honest - how far into this post did you click the laugh emoji?

You knew there wouldn’t be a reply to the points made so it was 

 

17 hours ago, splinterdream said:

I read the first few lines and stopped.

 

[splinterdream]

35 minutes ago, CornwallFox said:

The rest of Europe are reliant on renewables. Sweden is 99% renewable. You are wrong. And all the drilling in the north sea you can imagine does nothing for energy security as it still isn't owned by us and it's sold internationally. 

 

As for your previous post, it's a mix of biased opinion, conjecture, whataboutism and nonsense. 

 

Thatcher is the cause of this nation's ills. She sold off the nation's assets. She believed it would lead to the people becoming small shareholders and having a direct stake. All that happened is our national interests are now owned by huge multinationals that are there to skim profits rather than deliver services. See our water industry where the companies are over £60bn in debt and it just so happens that shareholders have took just over£60bn out in dividends. With rail, they underfunded it to make it bad to argue for privatisation. Yet taxpayer input INCREASED after privatisation. All privatisations have failed the people.

 

On corporate governance her changes are what has caused ever increasing %s of national product to go to ceos and shareholders, rather than workers sharing in the increases profits they create. This change means more of the profits of the domestic product get lost from the economy as the ultra rich don't spend all their wealth, and so tax rates are going up and up for everybody else. She is the root cause. We are absolutely seeing successive governments overseeing national decline because nobody has yet undone what she did.

 

Thatcher took short term gains in return for wrecking the country long term. 

 

You don't appear to really understand any of the things you are talking about. You're just rehearsing right wing propaganda without any real insight into what actually goes on as far as I can see. 

 

Id rather our conversation ends here.

So would  I

 

And I'd say the same about you 

Edited 15 April by splinterdream

[worthosoriginals]

2 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

@Samilktray @Thefox81 @FoxesDeb @Zear0 @HighPeakFox @worthosoriginals

Be honest - how far into this post did you click the laugh emoji?

At the word if, .....I knew the comedy gold was incoming, he didnt disappoint

[FoxesDeb]

3 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

@Samilktray @Thefox81 @FoxesDeb @Zear0 @HighPeakFox @worthosoriginals

Be honest - how far into this post did you click the laugh emoji?

At the end of the first sentence. I knew at that point the rest of the post would be both hilarious and nonsense, and I wasn't wrong

[Parafox]

10 hours ago, splinterdream said:

If, and its a big if, any change in the climate is man made, importing our energy at great cost and harm to the economy to save less than 1% pf world global emissions without any idea of whether it will make any difference is utter stupidity. It can be done but at a steady pace. Labour id wrecking the economy, unemployment up, welfare up, taxes up, a weak PM who is being bossed around by his back benchers, whilst he clings onto power. 

What was it you lefties said when labour won? The adults are in the room. Well those adults are decreasing defense spending whilst being warned we are in great danger, they think its more important to bring sex toys into the commons in a war against the manosphere. Its pathetic and milliband is right up there, and worse we have a generation of stupids who are being sucked in by Dave Polanski and his secterian cohort. God help us 🙏 

This is a post Trump could have made

Edited 15 April by Parafox