orangecity23 Posted 15 May 2010 Posted 15 May 2010 I suppose with Aman Verma, we actually do have one of the few Asian footballers in the football league. The only high profile British Asian player is Chopra though
samjohnson Posted 15 May 2010 Posted 15 May 2010 Before i rant... Im Pro labour and against the BNP... but... Let Wayne vote for anyone he feels like. If he felt like revealing that, then so be it. People shouldnt go nuts because of someones personal views, and to be honest, I think its fairly childish. And for the press to publicise it and stir some more shite, then they must have nothing else better to do (as per usual) We should all forget about it and hope for the best next season...
J.Lisemore Posted 15 May 2010 Posted 15 May 2010 I can't see him being out of football for long. Thats if he never plays us again..
Fosse Boy Posted 15 May 2010 Posted 15 May 2010 Before i rant... Im Pro labour and against the BNP... but... Let Wayne vote for anyone he feels like. If he felt like revealing that, then so be it. People shouldnt go nuts because of someones personal views, and to be honest, I think its fairly childish. And for the press to publicise it and stir some more shite, then they must have nothing else better to do (as per usual) We should all forget about it and hope for the best next season... It's not that simple though. You can't just sweep a major issue like this under the carpet and pretend it never happened. It affects team morale, especially of the black and mixed raced colleagues he works with every day. In what way is it "childish" to denounce racism by the way?
samjohnson Posted 15 May 2010 Posted 15 May 2010 It's not that simple though. You can't just sweep a major issue like this under the carpet and pretend it never happened. It affects team morale, especially of the black and mixed raced colleagues he works with every day. In what way is it "childish" to denounce racism by the way? I think its childish that they have reacted tbh... People have there own views... Im sure you wouldnt like half the things that i believe should happen. Life is life... and you should live it the way you please, not how the majority of people want you to live/ think.
Fosse Boy Posted 15 May 2010 Posted 15 May 2010 I think its childish that they have reacted tbh... People have there own views... Im sure you wouldnt like half the things that i believe should happen. Life is life... and you should live it the way you please, not how the majority of people want you to live/ think. OK, so by that logic if I were to say to you that I wanted to kill your family, I'd be well within my rights to say you were acting "childish" if you started to kick my head in would I?
samjohnson Posted 15 May 2010 Posted 15 May 2010 OK, so by that logic if I were to say to you that I wanted to kill your family, I'd be well within my rights to say you were acting "childish" if you started to kick my head in would I? In a weird, twisted way... Yes. But that example is slighty more extreme than putting a single cross on a ballot paper But yes, you can do what you feel is right to you...
fleckneymike Posted 15 May 2010 Posted 15 May 2010 Before i rant... Im Pro labour and against the BNP... but... Let Wayne vote for anyone he feels like. If he felt like revealing that, then so be it. People shouldnt go nuts because of someones personal views, and to be honest, I think its fairly childish. And for the press to publicise it and stir some more shite, then they must have nothing else better to do (as per usual) We should all forget about it and hope for the best next season... Sweet Jesus. It's one thing to reveal how you vote, it's quite another to blame all of societies ills on Asians. I'm no economic expert but I'm reasonably confident that the current global economic downturn wasn't caused by the introduction of Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis to Britain. If what Wayne is alleged to have said is true can people stop trying to defend him and ask us all to forget about it. How can you ask people to forget that our vice captain votes for a party that supports the repatriation of all 'non indigenous' people? That vote by Wayne Brown was a vote to kick Milan Mandaric, Bruno Berner, Muzzy Izzet, Emile Heskey, Lloyd Dyer, Nobby Solano, Chris Powell, Julian Joachim etc out of the country. Are you seriously asking me to forget that Wayne Brown believes that Muzzy Izzet doesn't belong here, that Emile Heskey should never have played for City or England because he's black or that our owner, his employer, should sell the club and leave the country? The only 'childish' thing about this is the naive views of so many 'supporters' about an alleged racist incident at our club.
Fosse Boy Posted 15 May 2010 Posted 15 May 2010 In a weird, twisted way... Yes. But that example is slighty more extreme than putting a single cross on a ballot paper But yes, you can do what you feel is right to you... What? So a guy could work in an office full of ethnic minority employees and spout racist abuse at them all day, every day, and they should just have to put up with it because to react to it would be "childish"?
Koke Posted 15 May 2010 Posted 15 May 2010 In a weird, twisted way... Yes. But that example is slighty more extreme than putting a single cross on a ballot paper But yes, you can do what you feel is right to you... He did more than put a cross on a ballot paper
samjohnson Posted 15 May 2010 Posted 15 May 2010 I should have really phrased myself to say that Wayne should vote for who he likes... Yes, hes an idiot for revealing himself against the ideas of democracy, and that it was "childish" for such a major reaction by those players involved. And now that you put it into perspective that he wants out (in a more indirect way, possibly through not thinking it through enough) of the ethnic players that have/ are playing at this club, he is more of a muppet than i first though.
fleckneymike Posted 15 May 2010 Posted 15 May 2010 I should have really phrased myself to say that Wayne should vote for who he likes... Yes, hes an idiot for revealing himself against the ideas of democracy, and that it was "childish" for such a major reaction by those players involved. And now that you put it into perspective that he wants out (in a more indirect way, possibly through not thinking it through enough) of the ethnic players that have/ are playing at this club, he is more of a muppet than i first though. He's not a muppet, he's a racist. That's why he voted BNP. At what point would you allow Powell et al to react to Brown's views without accusing them of acting in a childish fashion? When the police come to remove them from their home because they're black? When they are being loaded onto a plane out of the country? When they land in their ancestors country of 'origin'? Because that was what Brown was voting for.
samjohnson Posted 16 May 2010 Posted 16 May 2010 He's not a muppet, he's a racist. That's why he voted BNP. At what point would you allow Powell et al to react to Brown's views without accusing them of acting in a childish fashion? When the police come to remove them from their home because they're black? When they are being loaded onto a plane out of the country? When they land in their ancestors country of 'origin'? Because that was what Brown was voting for. Again, I still think Wayne voted without thinking. And one vote doesnt make an election... More people (as proved with the actual results) voted for a party that actually matters. There is no chance in hell that the BNP will actually get into power, or gain a seat. And im beggining to think that "childish" was the wrong word to use I do realise that some reaction was innevitable, its just hes a muppet for carrying on with the racial outburst that followed, which stired it a bit more... But surely, it isnt hard to take 3 steps out of the dressing room to completely ignore him??
Fez of Mahrez Posted 16 May 2010 Posted 16 May 2010 I'm not from Leicester and I've only lived there for three years of my life but I'm extremely proud to be associated with the city through my support for the football club. I lived in a very racially diverse area in Highfields for two years when I was a student and loved every second of it. While I am sure there must occasionally be racial tension present, I never saw or heard of any when I lived there and can't recall hearing even a racist remark of any kind for the entire two years. I have heard the odd thing at City games over the years, which has probably been at a level no worse than elsewhere. I think, on the whole, we have more of a reputation for multiculturalism and equality than most clubs. The club have always been at the forefront of anti-racism campaigns and there appear to be growing numbers of local Asian supporters going to games from what I have seen, although this is just an observation and may not be the case at all in reality. To me, they are not just another political party. Regardless of what has been said and how, I hope the slightest public connection between our club and the racist far right will be abhorrent to most, if not all, City fans. Thankfully, that does seem to be the case among the majority of supporters who have commented on this news. Football clubs traditionally tend to keep these matters in-house if they can, but the nature of internet journalism these days, along with the increase in use of messageboards and social media, must be making it an increasingly improbable task. Now that this story is out in the open, the onus is on the club to take swift and decisive action in order to uphold its reputation. I don't normally like to base judgments on allegations reported in politically-motivated newspapers but I would say that, if the allegation in this case has any foundations, an apology should be out of the question. Wednesday night proved, yet again, that pride in the shirt and the club is more important to me as a supporter than results on the pitch. We will win and lose based on very small margins of error but an overwhelming sense of pride and respect is more important. I was proud of the efforts of our players on Wednesday night and proud to be associated with a set of players that were lauded across the country for the effort they put in. I could not, however, take pride from the club being associated with racists and have indeed been ashamed by fellow fans in the past when racist views have been aired. I could not respect anyone allowed to remain at the club who has been proven to have declared racist views when the club correctly seeks at all other times to distance itself from racism in any form. I understand that not everyone will feel as strongly about this as I, and some others, do. That is obviously fine. We all hold different views and we all support the club in different ways. Personally, my support is something I am very proud of and it upsets and angers me when negativity surrounding the club gets in the way of the enjoyment of the game and all that goes with it. In this particular case, I felt strongly enough to put something down in words. I respect all differing opinions about this. It may be an emotive subject to some, but what one person feels strongly about is completely irrelevant to the next person. When I first heard about this, along with the reaction to Yann Kermorgant after Wednesday, my initial hope was that a memorable and enjoyable season would not be ended on a low note. The way I feel at the moment, perhaps it is too late.
fleckneymike Posted 16 May 2010 Posted 16 May 2010 Again, I still think Wayne voted without thinking. And one vote doesnt make an election... More people (as proved with the actual results) voted for a party that actually matters. There is no chance in hell that the BNP will actually get into power, or gain a seat. And im beggining to think that "childish" was the wrong word to use I do realise that some reaction was innevitable, its just hes a muppet for carrying on with the racial outburst that followed, which stired it a bit more... But surely, it isnt hard to take 3 steps out of the dressing room to completely ignore him?? I give up I really do. I suppose Wayne wasn't thinking either when he proceeded to acuse all Asians of 'killing this country'. By your 'logic' you can hold any view you want, no matter how offensive, and provided there is very little chance of a political party which matches your warped ideology gaining power then we should all ignore you and carry on as if nothing has happened because to be offended would be silly. Should all our clubs Asian supporters forget that Wayne thinks they're killing the country?
Ultra Posted 16 May 2010 Posted 16 May 2010 Whether or not he is a good player is irrelevant. The reason he must go (and this is based on the allegations being true) is that his staying would do irreparable damage to team morale and cohesiveness. It would also damage the club's reputation across a wide range of groups, not least our fans, the wider football community and the people of Leicester. This. Kermorgant's performances in the two semi-final legs take on a new light now. He was clearly and understandably unsettled by someone who so bitterly resents his presence (and that of many others) in the squad. I also watched DJ Campbell's performance at Forest last week and wondered why he couldn't have performed like that for us. The recent revelations give a clue why.. How many other BNP-backing halfwits lurk within the confines of the Way?
Bugg Posted 16 May 2010 Posted 16 May 2010 This. Kermorgant's performances in the two semi-final legs take on a new light now. He was clearly and understandably unsettled by someone who so bitterly resents his presence (and that of many others) in the squad. I also watched DJ Campbell's performance at Forest last week and wondered why he couldn't have performed like that for us. The recent revelations give a clue why.. How many other BNP-backing halfwits lurk within the confines of the Way? What? Are you seriously saying that because DJ is shit means that there are several racists in the club, talk about jumping to conclusions.
Fox You Forest Posted 16 May 2010 Posted 16 May 2010 This. Kermorgant's performances in the two semi-final legs take on a new light now. He was clearly and understandably unsettled by someone who so bitterly resents his presence (and that of many others) in the squad. I also watched DJ Campbell's performance at Forest last week and wondered why he couldn't have performed like that for us. The recent revelations give a clue why.. How many other BNP-backing halfwits lurk within the confines of the Way? Unbelievable...
Koke Posted 16 May 2010 Posted 16 May 2010 But surely, it isnt hard to take 3 steps out of the dressing room to completely ignore him?? This isn't a normal office job where you can ignore one another and continue your day job, and then go home to your family at half past five. This is football - a team game. I normally stand up for people who have controversial views of any sort, but what Brown has done is indefensible and unacceptable. Wayne Brown is in a profession where unity, togetherness and team spirit is crucially important. He managed to destroy that with a moment of madness and cause a rift and tension in a squad that was build on strong unity. Our success in the last 2 years epitomises strong team spirit and comradeship. What you also have to consider is Brown plays for Leicester City Football Club. The club represent the city of Leicester and the inhabits- and football clubs traditionally have strong links with local communities. Brown's ill-advised outburst will not only tarnish the clubs reputation locally within, but also amongst national media and football fans up and down the country. The club have no choice but to take swift action, and rightly so. Brown has no place at our club. The quicker he is gone, the better.
Dames Posted 16 May 2010 Posted 16 May 2010 The websites been edited, doesn't say what he exactly said anymore. The man needs to go no question about it, what he's done and said is indefensible. The stupidity and the arrogance displayed by the man actually made me laugh because people like him deserve to be met with nothing but ridicule. He's a joke and his views are absurd.
Alexikokopops Posted 16 May 2010 Posted 16 May 2010 Wayne's been a silly billy hasn't he? He really has! I'm not from Leicester and I've only lived there for three years of my life but I'm extremely proud to be associated with the city through my support for the football club. I lived in a very racially diverse area in Highfields for two years when I was a student and loved every second of it. While I am sure there must occasionally be racial tension present, I never saw or heard of any when I lived there and can't recall hearing even a racist remark of any kind for the entire two years. I have heard the odd thing at City games over the years, which has probably been at a level no worse than elsewhere. I think, on the whole, we have more of a reputation for multiculturalism and equality than most clubs. The club have always been at the forefront of anti-racism campaigns and there appear to be growing numbers of local Asian supporters going to games from what I have seen, although this is just an observation and may not be the case at all in reality. To me, they are not just another political party. Regardless of what has been said and how, I hope the slightest public connection between our club and the racist far right will be abhorrent to most, if not all, City fans. Thankfully, that does seem to be the case among the majority of supporters who have commented on this news. Football clubs traditionally tend to keep these matters in-house if they can, but the nature of internet journalism these days, along with the increase in use of messageboards and social media, must be making it an increasingly improbable task. Now that this story is out in the open, the onus is on the club to take swift and decisive action in order to uphold its reputation. I don't normally like to base judgments on allegations reported in politically-motivated newspapers but I would say that, if the allegation in this case has any foundations, an apology should be out of the question. Wednesday night proved, yet again, that pride in the shirt and the club is more important to me as a supporter than results on the pitch. We will win and lose based on very small margins of error but an overwhelming sense of pride and respect is more important. I was proud of the efforts of our players on Wednesday night and proud to be associated with a set of players that were lauded across the country for the effort they put in. I could not, however, take pride from the club being associated with racists and have indeed been ashamed by fellow fans in the past when racist views have been aired. I could not respect anyone allowed to remain at the club who has been proven to have declared racist views when the club correctly seeks at all other times to distance itself from racism in any form. I understand that not everyone will feel as strongly about this as I, and some others, do. That is obviously fine. We all hold different views and we all support the club in different ways. Personally, my support is something I am very proud of and it upsets and angers me when negativity surrounding the club gets in the way of the enjoyment of the game and all that goes with it. In this particular case, I felt strongly enough to put something down in words. I respect all differing opinions about this. It may be an emotive subject to some, but what one person feels strongly about is completely irrelevant to the next person. When I first heard about this, along with the reaction to Yann Kermorgant after Wednesday, my initial hope was that a memorable and enjoyable season would not be ended on a low note. The way I feel at the moment, perhaps it is too late. I love you Fezlington. You continue to post exactly what I'm thinking, thus saving me the effort of doing so myself.
AoWW Posted 16 May 2010 Posted 16 May 2010 I suppose with Aman Verma, we actually do have one of the few Asian footballers in the football league. The only high profile British Asian player is Chopra though I'm going off on a bit of a tangent, but the above post reminded me.... At the home game against Cardiff some utter **** several rows behind me shouted racist abuse directed at Chopra for the majority of the game. "**** off back to where you came from you ****ing Paki", being the general gist of it. Aside from a few embarrassed glances and sniggers, nobody near him said or did anything until right near the end of the match when one bloke - after a particularly disgusting tirade of abuse - told him to tone it down a bit. He replied "what, I'm only saying what everyone else is thinking". Like fook you are, you ignorant ****.. Thing is, it got me wondering because I'm sure (unless I dreamt it) that LCFC were once promoting a 'text complaints about racism' number, yet nowhere on the day could I find the number. It doesn't seem to be promoted around the stadium anywhere. Is it in the programme? Surely if they are as committed to kicking racism out of football as they claim to be, they should be giving this a higher profile? Made me wonder what, if anything, would happen if you could find the number and sent a text. Would it even be picked up and read by someone during the game?
Webbo Posted 16 May 2010 Posted 16 May 2010 This. Kermorgant's performances in the two semi-final legs take on a new light now. He was clearly and understandably unsettled by someone who so bitterly resents his presence (and that of many others) in the squad. I also watched DJ Campbell's performance at Forest last week and wondered why he couldn't have performed like that for us. The recent revelations give a clue why.. How many other BNP-backing halfwits lurk within the confines of the Way?
adamkhalifa Posted 16 May 2010 Posted 16 May 2010 In a another message, it was implied that these players have gone on to progress within their careers. Woodgate? Bowyer? Lee Hughes? Marlon King? Joey Barton? Can't see a correlation between physical violence incited by(through) a member of the public, and a allegedly unprovoked confidence from Brown. Sorry but I just can't see Wayne getting another football team.
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