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Alexikokopops Posted 9 August 2010 Posted 9 August 2010 He gave Villa so much stability, success and a glimpse of European competitions - surely the best manager they've ever had? (Apart from not winning a title in four years, that is) Senseless decision - unless he couldn't bare working for them no more. What about the managers that won the First Division seven times? Or the managers that won the FA Cup seven times? Or the manager that won the European Cup? O'Neill did well to inherit a team that were bottom half Premiership and turn them into a top six team, but to say he's surely the best manager they've ever had is a bit strong? Brian Little did a similar job to O'Neill for instance.
Samilktray Posted 9 August 2010 Posted 9 August 2010 Martin O'Neil as Man Utd manager would be a massive step down for them. I doubt it will ever happen
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 9 August 2010 Posted 9 August 2010 What about the managers that won the First Division seven times? Or the managers that won the FA Cup seven times? Or the manager that won the European Cup? O'Neill did well to inherit a team that were bottom half Premiership and turn them into a top six team, but to say he's surely the best manager they've ever had is a bit strong? Brian Little did a similar job to O'Neill for instance. ??? ??? not bad for a momentus palendrome post!
dandannieldanok Posted 9 August 2010 Posted 9 August 2010 It must be absolutely gutting to try and build a team to challenge for honours only to have two players who are/were key to your plans sold thus setting you back. No one can really compete with Man City's money - up to £200k a week in wages?! Very, very few people can turn that down. He's spent more than he's sold, and he's wasted a lot of money on some pretty iffy players as can be seen in the transfer post a few up from this. You really cannot make it out as though O'Neill has had a really tough time, he's been backed well by a seemingly sensible chairman, the job has been pretty cushy if you ask me apart from a few fans getting ideas above their station. Villa are a reasonably big club and the way they've conducted themselves in the transfer market has just about been an exact reflection of their size and standing.
NewNuneatonfox Posted 9 August 2010 Posted 9 August 2010 Villa fan speaking- O'Neil did a great job but made too many mistakes brought in players that would never make first team, It was fanstatic to have him on board the last four years as been great but In some ways it was time to move on. I think O'Neil would do much better abroad than he would in England. I'm sad & a little bit angry it's been left quite late, though I'd love to see him back at Leicester once again. . I believe if he came back he could lead the foxes to glory once again.
Alexikokopops Posted 9 August 2010 Posted 9 August 2010 ??? ??? not bad for a momentus palendrome post! I was just too lazy to list names, although I get the feeling you were just looking for an excuse to post a Big Ron picture
NewNuneatonfox Posted 9 August 2010 Posted 9 August 2010 On the villa forum I've suggested Claudio Ranieri & Jürgen Klinsmann
Tommeh Posted 9 August 2010 Posted 9 August 2010 On the villa forum I've suggested Claudio Ranieri & Jürgen Klinsmann Err great Next time you venture over there, fucking stay there.
Frost Posted 9 August 2010 Posted 9 August 2010 Dont know why he has left, but there must be valid reasons just before the season. A Villa supporting mate said it boiled down to this.. Both Man City & O'Neill wanted Onuoha, Johnson, Ireland + 15m in exchange for Milner. However, Lerner wanted 30m upfront, with less than half being offered to MON to strengthen the team.
MPH Posted 9 August 2010 Posted 9 August 2010 O'Neill won't get the chance to manage Man U. He wears his heart on his sleeve, gets emotionally involved with everything happening on the pitch from the edge of his technical area, and goes into a frenzy at every perceived injustice. That isn't the Man U way. If he has left through frustration at Villa continuing to be a selling club, it's very sad. We can't all be on the winning team all the time. Have you by any stroke of luck managed to avoid every single Alex ferguson interview and article in the news papers from the last ten years? on a Side note... i wonder if this had happened a few weeks ago if Liverpool would of made a different decision....... I would of loved to of seen him at Liverpool...
poopbutt Posted 10 August 2010 Posted 10 August 2010 lerner will probably get the U.S. coach in (bradley) just a shame he hadn't done it sooner. we could have had him back here (probably not but i can dream)
davieG Posted 10 August 2010 Posted 10 August 2010 A Scottish perspective - http://www.heraldsco...ited-1.1047160? Having delivered for Randy Lerner at Villa Park, Martin O'Neill wasn't given the backing in the transfer market that he merited Martin O'Neill has made a habit of walking Hugh MacDonald 10 Aug 2010 He walked. It is what he does. Martin O'Neill's managerial career has been marked with conspicuous success but it has also conformed to a consistent pattern. O'Neill has chosen to leave Wycombe Wanderers, Norwich City, Leicester City, Celtic and now Aston Villa. Randy Lerner, the owner of Villa, must have known that his manager would not have quietly acquiesced to the budget constraints placed upon him. O'Neill, a wealthy man, does not need employment. His strong character, too, does not allow him to accept what he believes is unreasonable. With James Milner, the England midfielder, almost certain to leave the club and suitors wooing Ashley Young, O'Neill realised he had to recruit a wide player. Neil Lennon's announcement on Sunday night that Aiden McGeady was flying out to complete a move to Spartak Moscow was followed by a statement from O'Neill yesterday afternoon that he was leaving Villa. The events were related. It would be folly to suggest O'Neill would leave a club over one failed deal. But he has been increasingly disenchanted at the policies pursued at Villa. There was speculation that missing out on McGeady was about to be compounded by the sale of Brad Friedl, the American goalkeeper, to Fulham. With Milner, Young and others perhaps leaving, O'Neill was left to console himself with the likely arrival of Steven Ireland from Manchester City. It was too much to bear. A chat with Lerner yesterday morning was followed by statements from manager and club signalling the end of a relationship that has been under strain for some time. O'Neill has watched his side struggle at the end of three successive seasons because a limited squad meant fatigued players could not be given respite. Villa finished in a creditable sixth position at the end of each campaign after promising better. O'Neill fervently believed he could take his side into a top-four position that would lead to Champions League qualification if only he was offered the resources. However, Lerner, a 48-year-old New Yorker, was concerned about spending transfer fees in excess of £10m even as Manchester City were offering £25m for Milner. He supported his manager with £40m last summer, which brought in seven players including Stewart Downing. But the emergence of Paul Faulkner is believed to have heightened tensions with O'Neill. Part of Lerner's team that took over Villa in 2006, Faulkner was appointed chief executive in May after being chief operating officer. The change of title may seem slight. The effect was dramatic, however. O'Neill gave an indication of the Faulkner's power last week when he said of the Milner saga: "It is really the chairman and chief executive who have been dealing with it." The Northern Irishman, normally hands-on in player recruitment and sales, was now indicating clearly he was not part of the negotiating team. It was a highly significant moment. Several transfer targets, including McGeady, became convinced that Villa would not come through with a deal quickly. Others were muttering about turmoil and uncertainty. Villa have not signed a player in this transfer window. O'Neill, who has borne the anxiety of illness to his wife Geraldine, was finding his position at the club increasingly untenable. He had agreed, reluctantly, to the sale of Milner and had moved quickly to identify a replacement. But the whispers about the departures of Friedl, Young and others were growing with no tangible sign of suitable replacements coming in. Aston Villa were heading towards a season opener with West Ham United in a weaker position than they had ended last season. They are now also without a manager. There are ironies about O'Neill's departure. McGeady would have fitted Lerner's ideal template of a young, improving player with value in a future transfer window, but he formed part of the reason why the manager left as his deal was frozen as spending was curtailed. As Glasgow conspiracy theorists set to work, there was also the marvellous speculation that O'Neill would now be returning to Celtic Park after failing to sign a Celtic player. This theory is entertaining to hear if less likely to be put into practice. Neil Lennon is still the manager of Celtic and one, apparently, with some money to spend. But there may be one development from the Villa runctions that will impact on Glasgow's East End. In the wake of the Stuart Baxter affair, Lennon was asked if he still needed or wanted a mentor. The Celtic manager replied that he could always phone Gordon Strachan or O'Neill for advice. O'Neill will now have more time to spare for these chats and may have some input on how to spend £10m. "While you can" might be the gist of his sentiments.
FoxyPV Posted 10 August 2010 Posted 10 August 2010 He's spent more than he's sold, and he's wasted a lot of money on some pretty iffy players as can be seen in the transfer post a few up from this. You really cannot make it out as though O'Neill has had a really tough time, he's been backed well by a seemingly sensible chairman, the job has been pretty cushy if you ask me apart from a few fans getting ideas above their station. Villa are a reasonably big club and the way they've conducted themselves in the transfer market has just about been an exact reflection of their size and standing. His preference for overpriced British players is well documented and Lerner is many fans' ideal chairman. All I was saying that it must be frustrating to have to sell what are perceived as your best players due to your middling standing when you are trying to build a team that can challenge for silverware. More and more it appears that he has simply thrown his toys out of the pram
wurmer Posted 10 August 2010 Posted 10 August 2010 Aston Villa players texted images of champagne bottles to each other to celebrate manager Martin O'Neill's exit - under a week before the new Premier League season starts. Full story: Daily Mirror Sad if it's true.
MikeyT Posted 10 August 2010 Posted 10 August 2010 From SSN website: Bob Bradley has confirmed he would be keen to coach in Europe after he was installed as the favourite to become Aston Villa's new manager. Martin O'Neill stepped down as Villa boss on Monday amid reports the club's transfer policy was behind the Ulsterman's decision. Villa owner Randy Lerner is now searching for a replacement and his fellow American, and current USA coach, Bradley has emerged as a leading contender. Bradley is currently preparing for USA's friendly against Brazil this week, but revealed he is open to a new challenge with his current contract expiring at the end of this year. Excited "I have said over and over as well that I am always excited about new and different challenges," said Bradley. "Certainly coaching in Europe at some point is something that I would love to do. "At the same time, I also consider it a challenge when you finish one [World Cup] cycle and begin the process of working on another one. From the time one World Cup ends, you begin to go through the process of assessing where you are." Bradley was also recently mooted as a contender for the Fulham job, but insists he did not talk to anyone at Villa's Premier League rivals. He added: "People spoke to Fulham on my behalf. I did not actually speak to anyone at Fulham." Talks have also taken place regarding an extension with the US national team and Bradley expects to hold further discussions after the Brazil friendly. "I think some general starting points were laid out and I think it was agreed at that time that with this game coming up so quickly that it just made sense to use the starting points," he continued. "Both sides, you know, could think a little bit about what was laid on the table and then we could pick up following the game."
Finnegan Posted 10 August 2010 Posted 10 August 2010 His preference for overpriced British players is well documented and Lerner is many fans' ideal chairman. All I was saying that it must be frustrating to have to sell what are perceived as your best players due to your middling standing when you are trying to build a team that can challenge for silverware. More and more it appears that he has simply thrown his toys out of the pram Mh, I don't necessarily think so - if Randy Lerner has promised him investment to match last season, this season, then you can understand O'Neill's frustration. Most of us are fond of him, not just for his time here - but for his likeable personality to boot. But Martin O'Neill isn't a Leicester fan or a Villa fan or a Wycombe fan, he's a career manager who has made it clear he wants to progress and win the biggest things. Now I'm sure he's happy to do that with a club that's not "the big four" but he'll need investment to do it along the way. I would imagine Lerner and O'Neill have had a falling out over Villa's potential and the way to deliver it and, lo' and behold, the outcome.
Babylon Posted 10 August 2010 Posted 10 August 2010 He walked Surely he only has that reputation because he has been successful almost constantly unlike 99% of other managers who end up getting sacked. His career path has been one of moving up the ladder which I think is fair enough.
Jon the Hat Posted 10 August 2010 Posted 10 August 2010 Good artilce that. The point being why would he stick around to manage a weaker team than has failed to break the top 5 in the last 3 years? Had they sold Milner and got in say Ireland, Johnson and McGready with the cash they would have been stronger, and the buy em young and sell for a profit plan would have worked and been re-invested. Now that Lerner has shown he is actually wanting to get players to be self funding rather than re invest the proceeds in the squad it is clear that Villa are never going to be a top4 team again under his ownership. MON will feel betrayed by this as he has done his bit, identifying players such a Milner and Young who have increased in value.
Dickie Greenleaf Posted 10 August 2010 Posted 10 August 2010 Underachieved given what he spent in his time there. £120 Million over four seasons only to bottle the top four every year come March. Timing of the decision reflects badly on him as well. He must have known the situation with money/ Milner from the start of the break. Could have got Santa Cruz/ Ireland as make-weights. Two players who would definitely improve them.
breadandcheese Posted 10 August 2010 Posted 10 August 2010 Underachieved given what he spent in his time there. £120 Million over four seasons only to bottle the top four every year come March. Timing of the decision reflects badly on him as well. He must have known the situation with money/ Milner from the start of the break. Could have got Santa Cruz/ Ireland as make-weights. Two players who would definitely improve them. Utter rubbish. Villa are exactly where their spend deserves to be. Spurs have spent more than Villa and have only just broken into the top four (for what will probably be a one season wonder in the champions league). Man City have spent far more than Villa in two seasons and will probably fight out fourth with Liverpool according to the bookies.
Babylon Posted 10 August 2010 Posted 10 August 2010 Underachieved given what he spent in his time there. Underachieved? How much do you think Spurs, Man City, Arsenal, Man United and Chelsea have spent to stay / get above them.
Jordan Posted 10 August 2010 Posted 10 August 2010 Bob Bradley? Really? No, really, are they being serious? Umm, OK, if that's what Lerner wants...
Corky Posted 10 August 2010 Posted 10 August 2010 Underachieved given what he spent in his time there. £120 Million over four seasons only to bottle the top four every year come March. Timing of the decision reflects badly on him as well. He must have known the situation with money/ Milner from the start of the break. Could have got Santa Cruz/ Ireland as make-weights. Two players who would definitely improve them. Villa were a mid-table side when he took over, He improved them to become a top-six side regularly. Yes he's spent a bit of money, but he bought younger players so a team could be built over a number of seasons so drastic changes to the playing squad aren't required every summer. It's a big loss for Villa.
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