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Miquel The Work Geordie

O' Neill

By Miquel The Work Geordie, in General Football and Sport

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Dickie Greenleaf

Dickie Greenleaf

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Underachieved? How much do you think Spurs, Man City, Arsenal, Man United and Chelsea have spent to stay / get above them.

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/index.php/Single-League-Tables/transfer-league-table-2006-2010.html

Only Manchester Ciy have spent significantly more. Tottenham are essentially equal. O'neill's net spent has far surpassed the others you mentioned.

Arsenal actually make a profit, whilst comfortably finishing in the top 4, if not really challenging for the top prize.

David Moyes has done a far better job at Everton. And as for saying he drastically improved on O'Leary, well he got em to sixth in 03/04, the season after they had just avoided relegation. Brian Little and John Gregory had them finish fourth, fifth, seventh, sixth, sixth, eighth and eighth, and they won the League Cup in 1996.

So what exactly has O'Neill done except lump with a massive wage bill?

Dickie Greenleaf

Dickie Greenleaf

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Villa were a mid-table side when he took over, He improved them to become a top-six side regularly. Yes he's spent a bit of money, but he bought younger players so a team could be built over a number of seasons so drastic changes to the playing squad aren't required every summer.

It's a big loss for Villa.

They are still a mid-table side, now with a huge wage bill.

He's given league debuts to just four home-grown players in four seasons. One of them, Isaiah Osbourne, is now on loan at Middlesbrough. The other three - Ciaran Clark, Marc Albrighton and Nathan Delfouneso - have between them started a single league game this season and played less than 300 minutes between them.

Webbo

Webbo

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http://www.transferleague.co.uk/index.php/Single-League-Tables/transfer-league-table-2006-2010.html

Only Manchester Ciy have spent significantly more. Tottenham are essentially equal. O'neill's net spent has far surpassed the others you mentioned.

Arsenal actually make a profit, whilst comfortably finishing in the top 4, if not really challenging for the top prize.

David Moyes has done a far better job at Everton. And as for saying he drastically improved on O'Leary, well he got em to sixth in 03/04, the season after they had just avoided relegation. Brian Little and John Gregory had them finish fourth, fifth, seventh, sixth, sixth, eighth and eighth, and they won the League Cup in 1996.

So what exactly has O'Neill done except lump with a massive wage bill?

Agreed.

l444ry

l444ry

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Underachieved given what he spent in his time there.

£120 Million over four seasons only to bottle the top four every year come March.

Timing of the decision reflects badly on him as well. He must have known the situation with money/ Milner from the start of the break. Could have got Santa Cruz/ Ireland as make-weights. Two players who would definitely improve them.

Yeah, and what is the value of the squad he's built compared to the one he inherited? And didn't Villa "bottle it" only because they didn't have sufficient strength in depth - something Martin was trying to address whilst having his best players sold over his head.

Arkie Bennett

Arkie Bennett

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Have you by any stroke of luck managed to avoid every single Alex ferguson interview and article in the news papers from the last ten years?

No, of course not. You've higlighted the difference though; O'Neill frequently loses his rag at the side of the pitch over the slightest injustice. Ferguson is a wingeing git with few redeeming qualities, and of course he has had his moments pitchside, but there's generally a huge difference in the way they conduct themselves. As likeable and passionate as O'Neill is, he is much more of a loose cannon and I don't think United would want that in a manager.

Babylon

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http://www.transferleague.co.uk/index.php/Single-League-Tables/transfer-league-table-2006-2010.html

Only Manchester Ciy have spent significantly more. Tottenham are essentially equal. O'neill's net spent has far surpassed the others you mentioned.

Arsenal actually make a profit, whilst comfortably finishing in the top 4, if not really challenging for the top prize.

David Moyes has done a far better job at Everton. And as for saying he drastically improved on O'Leary, well he got em to sixth in 03/04, the season after they had just avoided relegation. Brian Little and John Gregory had them finish fourth, fifth, seventh, sixth, sixth, eighth and eighth, and they won the League Cup in 1996.

So what exactly has O'Neill done except lump with a massive wage bill?

If you want to talk about net spends after player sales shall we wait and have this conversation when Villa sell Young and Milner. Because your stats are going to look very different in the coming weeks. Not even taking into account the HUGE investment teams like Man U, Arsenal and Chelsea all made just prior to the Villa spending spree. Take a look at the 03 - 10 table on that site and you start to see a different story.

DJ Barry Hammond

DJ Barry Hammond

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http://www.transferleague.co.uk/index.php/Single-League-Tables/transfer-league-table-2006-2010.html

Only Manchester Ciy have spent significantly more. Tottenham are essentially equal. O'neill's net spent has far surpassed the others you mentioned.

Arsenal actually make a profit, whilst comfortably finishing in the top 4, if not really challenging for the top prize.

David Moyes has done a far better job at Everton. And as for saying he drastically improved on O'Leary, well he got em to sixth in 03/04, the season after they had just avoided relegation. Brian Little and John Gregory had them finish fourth, fifth, seventh, sixth, sixth, eighth and eighth, and they won the League Cup in 1996.

So what exactly has O'Neill done except lump with a massive wage bill?

That table will look a lot different when Milner and Young go - remember a majority of players bought with the spend are still at the club. Question is what do Villa want, a large wage bill which is going to be part of trying to maintain the status quo with the top 8 or looking at fighting that mindless midtable battle that could end in relagation? Oh and can I add that I can't imagine Villa fans paticulary want O'Leary, Little or Gregory back?

Dickie Greenleaf

Dickie Greenleaf

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http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2010/08/10/2063794/why-martin-oneills-stubbornness-stops-him-from-succeeding-as

A guy I work with sent me this half way through the day. His comment was This is an interesting take which I feel has a lot of truth in it I'm inclined to agree. I think too many people still view him through their blue-tinted glasses. He did great things at Leicester, but he can't keep dining out on that.

As for the suggestions about him succeeding Fergusson - laughable

FoxyPV

FoxyPV

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The Northern Irishman felt unable to continue because of the financial constraints placed on him as Lerner sought to redress the balance after Villa's annual wage bill climbed to £71m, accounting for 85% of the club's turnover. Krulak claimed O'Neill was told that those figures were unsustainable but said that he would not tackle the problem

today's guardian.

Miquel The Work Geordie

Miquel The Work Geordie

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He did great things at Leicester, but he can't keep dining out on that.

Ah yeah, it's not like he wasn't unbelievably successful at Celtic or reached a European final or anything, becoming adored in the process and taking the title of the country's best team from their fiercely hated rivals.

The big, shit, Irish dining out bastard.

Guest

Guest

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The big, shit, Irish dining out bastard.

lol

That's just had me in stitches

Dickie Greenleaf

Dickie Greenleaf

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Ah yeah, it's not like he wasn't unbelievably successful at Celtic or reached a European final or anything, becoming adored in the process and taking the title of the country's best team from their fiercely hated rivals.

The big, shit, Irish dining out bastard.

fook me, my missus could manage Celtic to the title. Any ****er can. Most pointless league ever.

Alexikokopops

Alexikokopops

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fook me, my missus could manage Celtic to the title. Any ****er can. Most pointless league ever.

lol

I was this close to posting a reply to MTWG saying "I await the response saying 'my grandma could manage Celtic to the title'". While I'm not arguing that O'Neill had a superb record at Villa, the point is that at the time he went to Celtic they'd won one title in the previous 12 seasons. You can argue against Villa, but he definitely turned it around there. It may not be that competitive now, but it was even less competitive before MON went there!

Corky

Corky

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fook me, my missus could manage Celtic to the title. Any ****er can. Most pointless league ever.

Tony Mowbray? John Barnes?

Rangers were completely dominating Scottish football and O'Neill changed that.

accessory

accessory

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MON succeeded with us because he built a squad of players who were were desperate to succeed at the top level.

This was something he never had at Villa, where too many overpaid, underachieving players (some of whom he signed) were content to go through the motions and collect their monthly salary cheques. As a consequence, his powers of motivation were more limited.

lildave3

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MON succeeded with us because he built a squad of players who were were desperate to succeed at the top level.

This was something he never had at Villa, where too many overpaid, underachieving players (some of whom he signed) were content to go through the motions and collect their monthly salary cheques. As a consequence, his powers of motivation were more limited.

You're saying this as if he failed miserably. He still reached cup finals and finished in European places in the league.

l444ry

l444ry

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See Villa are now top of the league... didn't need Martin after all!

That's what some said about Peter Taylor after Martin left City!!

Jimmy

Jimmy

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By Neil Ashton

MARTIN O'NEILL is being lined up for an emotional return to Nottingham Forest as manager.

O'Neill has emerged as the shock front-runner to succeed Billy Davies if he quits the County Ground...and mirror his mentor, Brian Clough.

Davies has a strained relationship with the Forest board over their failure to provide funding for the team and the strangely titled "transfer acquisitions committee".

The Forest chief, who reached last season's play-offs, has irritated chairman Nigel Doughty by demanding three star signings before the transfer window shuts.

Forest claim they have one of the best manages in the business at Championship level, but the allure of O'Neill could be too tempting.

Doughty, one of the richest men in Britain, would be hailed as a hero by Forest fans if O'Neill was lured back to the City Ground where he starred as a player under Clough.

The Ulsterman quit Aston Villa five days before the start of the Premier League and has made it clear he wants to take time out of the game.

But Forest insiders are convinced O'Neill could be tempted by the prospect of leading the club back into the Premier League.

His options seem limited with the chance of managing a bigger club than Villa unlikely to come his way now.

Close friends believe Forest is the only job he would consider outside the Premier League.

O'Neill spent most of his playing career at Forest and was infamously dropped by Clough for the 1979 European Cup final.

Clough took over Forest when they were in the lower reaches of the old Second Division and won promotion in his first full season as manager.

O'Neill was a big part of that team and he went on to win the European Cup under Clough in 1980.

O'Neill's trusted assistant John Robertson was also part of the triumphant European Cup winning teams at the County Ground and would be welcomed back.

Robertson was recently voted the club's all-time best player and would be part of the package if Forest move for O'Neill.

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