Boxing

[Sly]

3 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

Narh, no it couldn't.

 

Quite a few people have made this point since that fight and I agree with them completely, Usyk might have been hurt and probably was playing for a bit of time but if the ref had said it wasn't a low blow he'd have been back on his feet in a flash and would have carried on the fight.

 

You saw Usyk got rocked a little in the middle of the fight last night, yeah he needed a round or so to recover, then he got straight back on and if anything improved.

 

Daniel Dubois isn't beating Usyk with 50 goes at it.

 

Edit: and Andy Ruiz isn't beating Usyk with 100 goes at it

 

I agree that Uysk wins the majority of fights against both of them. I also think he picks Parker and Wilder apart
 

Different night, and it’s called differently though against Dubois. 
 

I can’t say I want Joshua / Uysk 3 though. 

 

 

[Sly]

3 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 Del Boy on the mic.

 

Love his personality since he’s started doing this. 
 

I wonder what he thinks of the count when Wilder floored unfit Fury in their first fight 

[Finnegan]

1 minute ago, Sly said:

I can’t say I want Joshua / Uysk 3 though. 

 

I mean presumably now Usyk just gets swarmed with a constant stream of mandatories until he's got to vacate at least one or two of the belts because they won't all be possible.

 

So beyond the rematch I doubt his next few fights (if he wins the rematch) will really be up to him at all. If WBO tells him to fight Parker, IBF tells him to fight Hrgovic, WBC tells him to fight Joshua, etc, what they going to do? Have a royal rumble? He can't beat them all at once.

 

Hrgovic and Parker are straight up too slow for him, though, and probably don't have enough in the arm to hurt him in the few windows they'd get. Just don't see any of his obvious immediate opponents presenting all that much threat. Fury and Joshua are head and shoulders above the other threats to him in the division and he's gotten through both.

 

Lets be clear though, Fury has every chance of beating him in a rematch.

 

[The Horse's Mouth]

Rematch will be really interesting, fury was kinda coasting until he got chinned. Fair ****s to Usyk what a mountain, proper scrap 

[Ted Maul]

16 minutes ago, Sly said:

It’s difficult to judge era on era. 
 

The size of Heavyweights in Marcianos days were so much smaller. You would think someone like Fury in that era would have just dominated due to his size and ring skill.
 

Even when you look at boxing matches from the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s etc, we’re all just suggesting our opinions on something that is ambiguous. Uysk will go down in history as an all time great. However, he could get knocked out by someone like Kabayel in his next fight and opinions change. 
 

One punch makes such a huge difference. 
 

Joshua pre Ruiz was unstoppable in many peoples eyes. He changed after that fight. 

Absolutely. The greatest names tend to come from the greatest eras, but you can only beat what's in front of you and Usyk has made the step up in weight and beaten the biggest 2 names in what is a decent era (could have been so much more if the big fights happened when they should have done).

[grobyfox1990]

11 hours ago, PAULCFC said:

Does the York Hall still do boxing?Been down to Bethnal Green a few times(museum of childhood and a greasy spoon across the road)with the family....York Hall is on my bucket list to see boxing...remember it from sportsnight!

Bloody well did in 2013 that’s for sure. Had a few exams in York hall, the overpowering stench of vaporub for 4 hours whilst you’re trying to concentrate 

[turlo]

2 hours ago, kenny said:

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I don't know much about boxing, but it looked like fury was suffering from tiredness towards the end. He doesn't look like an athlete and it showed in this fight. Usyk could have done another 5 rounds to look at him go.

Its part of Usyk's strategy.  Just keeping up with Usyk's work rate & movement for the first 6-8 rounds leaves his opponents shattered and then he takes it up to another level. The same happened when Tony Bellew and AJ fought Usyk, when both were either level or up going in to the second half of the fight and then Usyk put his foot down right after they'd put a big effort in.

[MPH]

3 hours ago, Lako42 said:

Anyone saying that was close enough to be called a draw is having a ****ing laugh. 

 

Fury utterly outboxed and made himself look like a **** in the process..... Because he is 

 

scary thing is, without the knock down, that fight could have gone to Fury..

[MPH]

I’ll hold my hand up and say I didn’t t give Usyk a chance before the fight and felt like Fury had too much for him. I’m a bit disappointed in Fury as I felt he needed to attack a bit more as he looked much better going forward, but we can’t  take anything away from Usyk… he almost finished Fury who looked far more hurt than at any time against Wilder. And he also took a few solid punches himself. I  read that Usyk missed the after fight press conference as he had to go to hospital  for a broken jaw..

Edited 19 May 2024 by MPH

[Sly]

37 minutes ago, MPH said:

I’ll hold my hand up and say I did t give Usyk a chance before the fight and felt like Fury had too much for him. I’m a bit disappointed in Fury as I felt he needed to attack a bit more as he looked much better going forward, but we can’t  take anything away from Usyk… he almost finished Fury who looked far more hurt than at any time against Wilder. And he also took a few solid punches himself. I  read that Usyk missed the after fight press conference as he had to go to hospital  for a broken jaw..

He came back after he’d been to the hospital and did interviews. 

[STEVIE B]

5 hours ago, Nalis said:

Where are people rating Usyk now in terms of all time heavyweights after that?

Usyk is very good & obviously top dog now, but Fury is overrated in my opinion. He is, or was probably the best of this small era of a not great HW division.

He beat an aging Klitschko in a borefest, drew & beat Wilder twice, who was/is a one trick pony. Other than that his record is thin. He's also been generally very inactive for long periods too. 

 

 

[Tinman]

A good big un always beats a good little un,eh?

[MPH]

So what will Fury do in the rematch? What can he do differently?  It looks like Fury was more than holding his own in the first 6 rounds, but he either tired, or Usyk clocked him and it changed him. Probably a mix of both. But tactically, he needs to come out and attack a bit more, I think.. he changed what he did against Wilder and it worked well…. But Usyk is Usyk…

[don_danbury]

forget the rematch. fury v joshua at wembley should be next

[MPH]

17 minutes ago, don_danbury said:

forget the rematch. fury v joshua at wembley should be next

 

 

If Fury truly does think he was robbed and should have won, he wont want anything but the rematch..

[Wortho]

Just now, MPH said:

 

 

If Fury truly does think he was robbed and should have won, he wont want anything but the rematch..

I don’t think Fury really believes that he won. A re-match would be pointless as it would be the result.

At least Usyk retains dignity, but Fury and his crew are boorish and embarrassing.

[MPH]

4 minutes ago, Wortho said:

I don’t think Fury really believes that he won. A re-match would be pointless as it would be the result.

At least Usyk retains dignity, but Fury and his crew are boorish and embarrassing.

 

 

I think Fury has too much pride to walk away from a rematch...

[Wortho]

2 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

 

I think Fury has too much pride to walk away from a rematch...

I’m not saying he wouldn’t want it. I think it’ll be the same result. Usyk was training for 9 months for this fight so I can’t see wanting another fight for at least a year.

[turlo]

Get rid of John Fury out of his corner and let his trainer do his job for starters, although John will be pushing to get Sugar Hill sacked like he did Ben Davison. Fury doesn't have the engine to match Usyk for 12 rounds and needs to have a plan to try and stop him earlier, which risks getting picked apart by Udky with his counter punches. 

 

 

 

[RumbleFox]

Well done Usyk, thoroughly deserved.
 

The general consensus on Reddit about older boxers (Ali, etc) is that they wouldn’t have a chance against modern ones “because they’re too small” but Usyk proves the point here. Ali (same height and slightly heavier than Usyk) would annihilate Fury, Wilder, Joshua.

 

Great fight and the better boxer/man won. All time great. 

[Finnegan]

2 minutes ago, RumbleFox said:

general consensus on Reddit

 

That's where you're going wrong 

[RumbleFox]

Just now, Finnegan said:

 

That's where you're going wrong 

Haha. Reddit and Joe Rogan, the boxing oracles. 

[SouthStandUpperTier]

4 minutes ago, RumbleFox said:

Haha. Reddit and Joe Rogan, the boxing oracles. 

Forget Reddit and Joe Rogan. This is the boxing debate to end all boxing debates...

 

 

[SkidsFox]

On 20/05/2024 at 14:27, MPH said:

 

 

I think Fury has too much pride to walk away from a rematch...

This is the problem with boxing. Ideally they'd both retire after earning x million for this fight. No amount of future earnings will compensate for the brain damage and other health issues that further knocks to the head will cause. 

[MPH]

1 hour ago, SkidsFox said:

This is the problem with boxing. Ideally they'd both retire after earning x million for this fight. No amount of future earnings will compensate for the brain damage and other health issues that further knocks to the head will cause. 

 

what else is there for Usyk to achieve in boxing?

 

WWE career as ‘ The Cossack’ pending!