Boxing

[Duquesne Whistle]

Have the people saying this is the best Heavyweight trilogy ever seen the Bowe/Holyfield trilogy? Worth a watch if you haven't.

 

The main difference in Bowe/Holyfield and also the Ali/Frazier trilogies, is that there were 4 indisputably great heavyweights slugging it out, I don't think Wilder can be put in that category.

 

 

Edited 11 October 2021 by Duquesne Whistle
I just read that Wilder landed with 20% of his punches on Saturday night

[Manwell Pablo]

On 10/10/2021 at 20:47, STEVIE B said:

Harsh, how ? Wilder is so overrated, the poorest HW champ in living memory. 
Of course Fury should dominate him & has. My point still stands regarding his physique. He has skills & is the best around out of a poor HW division. Usyk could definitely be a live opponent, AJ is probably shot. Fury will probably retire undefeated, having less than 35 fights, as there’s nobody to fight. 
It may sound harsh, but it sounds reasonable to me. It’s only an opinion. 

 

He is most definitely not the poorest HW Champion in living memory.

 

Stiverne  and Charles Martin were both far, far, worse without having to put any effort into thinking about it. 

Edited 11 October 2021 by Manwell Pablo

[The Horse's Mouth]

7 hours ago, Babylon said:

Here come the excuses, perhaps his gloves were too heavy this time and it made him tired. 

 

Fury got in his head and had him on strings, makes me piss watching some of the press conferences were he doesn't even know what to say and stumbles and bumbles his words in anger (as much at himself for having no comebacks). 

Funny thing is Wilder switched his gloves to the one fury uses to prove the unfair advantage, despite using them before and suffering similar injuries. I do admire how much he believes his own shit tbh 

[LinekersLugs]

anyone slagging wilder off knows little about boxing ! 
 

I have been to see these two fight in the flesh and it will live with me forever, they have now served up 30+ rounds of amazing war 

 

it takes two great fighters to make a trilogy like that 

 

wilder did his bit ! He was beaten in all three fight but no one can doubt the heart this man has 

 

he is the 2nd best HW on the planet in action right now, he would have decapitated AJ given a chance ! And AJ knew that ! 
 

no one will remember AJ in 50

years time , everyone will remember Fury and Wilder !!! AJ had his chance and he wet himself , Fury took the fight with Wilder while he was still getting out of breath walking up the stairs ! The rest is history 

 

Wilder is one tough man and a genuine world level fighter and he was champion for a reason he can BANG 

 

Tyson of course is in a different league to them boys ! Tyson’s name can now be mentioned with the Greats and soon only 2 or 3 other names will stand with him in the discussion 

 

some of us always knew that 😉

[Babylon]

45 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

Funny thing is Wilder switched his gloves to the one fury uses to prove the unfair advantage, despite using them before and suffering similar injuries. I do admire how much he believes his own shit tbh 

I’ve seen the videos of them crying about his horse hair gloves, it’s horse hair not a horse shoe! 

[Strokes]

1 hour ago, LinekersLugs said:

anyone slagging wilder off knows little about boxing ! 
 

I have been to see these two fight in the flesh and it will live with me forever, they have now served up 30+ rounds of amazing war 

 

it takes two great fighters to make a trilogy like that 

 

wilder did his bit ! He was beaten in all three fight but no one can doubt the heart this man has 

 

he is the 2nd best HW on the planet in action right now, he would have decapitated AJ given a chance ! And AJ knew that ! 
 

no one will remember AJ in 50

years time , everyone will remember Fury and Wilder !!! AJ had his chance and he wet himself , Fury took the fight with Wilder while he was still getting out of breath walking up the stairs ! The rest is history 

 

Wilder is one tough man and a genuine world level fighter and he was champion for a reason he can BANG 

 

Tyson of course is in a different league to them boys ! Tyson’s name can now be mentioned with the Greats and soon only 2 or 3 other names will stand with him in the discussion 

 

some of us always knew that 😉

Won’t argue with you about Fury, it’s impossible to take anything away from him. 
I’ll take a bit of a stance against Wilder being number 2, he is dangerous and a brave man with heart but he isn’t an elite boxer. He has a big punch a big heart and a decent chin but he can’t think on his feet, he can’t move and dictate like fury and usyk, few heavy weights can. Usyk is better than Wilder, I know he lacks the power and the reach but for me takes him apart like Fury did 9 times out of 10.

I do hope Wilder carries on though, he still has plenty to prove. This is the most interesting the heavyweight division has been for decades. 

[Duquesne Whistle]

1 hour ago, LinekersLugs said:

anyone slagging wilder off knows little about boxing ! 
 

I have been to see these two fight in the flesh and it will live with me forever, they have now served up 30+ rounds of amazing war 

 

it takes two great fighters to make a trilogy like that 

 

wilder did his bit ! He was beaten in all three fight but no one can doubt the heart this man has 

 

he is the 2nd best HW on the planet in action right now, he would have decapitated AJ given a chance ! And AJ knew that ! 
 

no one will remember AJ in 50

years time , everyone will remember Fury and Wilder !!! AJ had his chance and he wet himself , Fury took the fight with Wilder while he was still getting out of breath walking up the stairs ! The rest is history 

 

Wilder is one tough man and a genuine world level fighter and he was champion for a reason he can BANG 

 

Tyson of course is in a different league to them boys ! Tyson’s name can now be mentioned with the Greats and soon only 2 or 3 other names will stand with him in the discussion 

 

some of us always knew that 😉

I agree that no one can doubt Wilder's heart, I said as much earlier in the thread. He also did his bit, as you say. I still don't think you can call him a great fighter. He threw a lot less punches than Fury anyway, but ally that to him only landing with 20% of them, and his bravery made the fight what it was rather than his fighting. 

 

As for being the 2nd best heavyweight right now, what's that based on? Two defeats that probably should have been three...

I'm not Joshua fan, but I don't think you can write him off against Wilder. Personally, I think he has the style and power to beat Wilder, who is amateurish, with very little jab and an 'engine' that now looks like it tires just as much as Joshua's does. I don't think that fight is a forgone conclusion at all. 

 

 

 

[MPH]

4 hours ago, Strokes said:

Won’t argue with you about Fury, it’s impossible to take anything away from him. 
I’ll take a bit of a stance against Wilder being number 2, he is dangerous and a brave man with heart but he isn’t an elite boxer. He has a big punch a big heart and a decent chin but he can’t think on his feet, he can’t move and dictate like fury and usyk, few heavy weights can. Usyk is better than Wilder, I know he lacks the power and the reach but for me takes him apart like Fury did 9 times out of 10.

I do hope Wilder carries on though, he still has plenty to prove. This is the most interesting the heavyweight division has been for decades. 

I can see a scenario where Usyk wins the AJ rematch and Wilder sneaks in and negotiates with Usyk ahead of Fury, wins the 3 belts and leaves everything set up for a unification 4th match.

[LestaFox92]

6 hours ago, MPH said:

I can see a scenario where Usyk wins the AJ rematch and Wilder sneaks in and negotiates with Usyk ahead of Fury, wins the 3 belts and leaves everything set up for a unification 4th match.

No sane man would want to risk their chance at undisputed for 12 rounds against wilder, seriously hope AJ goes in windmilling tho and pulls off a upset because undisputed in the UK would be fairly realistic then if it goes to saudi tho i'll never pay for a PPV again.

[LinekersLugs]

11 hours ago, Strokes said:

Won’t argue with you about Fury, it’s impossible to take anything away from him. 
I’ll take a bit of a stance against Wilder being number 2, he is dangerous and a brave man with heart but he isn’t an elite boxer. He has a big punch a big heart and a decent chin but he can’t think on his feet, he can’t move and dictate like fury and usyk, few heavy weights can. Usyk is better than Wilder, I know he lacks the power and the reach but for me takes him apart like Fury did 9 times out of 10.

I do hope Wilder carries on though, he still has plenty to prove. This is the most interesting the heavyweight division has been for decades. 

Wilder knocks out UYSK 9 times out of 10 ! Sorry can’t have him ! He beat a useless AJ a man knocked out by RUIS 🤣🤣🤣 wilder beats UYSK 9 times out of 10 for me ! He only needs to get lucky with ONE shot ! And he has knocked down the greatest heavyweight for a life time 3 times ! Wilder easily knocks out UYSK for me 

[LinekersLugs]

11 hours ago, Duquesne Whistle said:

I agree that no one can doubt Wilder's heart, I said as much earlier in the thread. He also did his bit, as you say. I still don't think you can call him a great fighter. He threw a lot less punches than Fury anyway, but ally that to him only landing with 20% of them, and his bravery made the fight what it was rather than his fighting. 

 

As for being the 2nd best heavyweight right now, what's that based on? Two defeats that probably should have been three...

I'm not Joshua fan, but I don't think you can write him off against Wilder. Personally, I think he has the style and power to beat Wilder, who is amateurish, with very little jab and an 'engine' that now looks like it tires just as much as Joshua's does. I don't think that fight is a forgone conclusion at all. 

 

 

 

Great fighter and great boxer are TWO different things my friend ! 
 

2nd best on the fact that he knocked over the greatest living heavy weight 3 times ! 
 

It’s just an opinion and one shared by Tyson …. wilder beats the rest of the mugs in this division 9 time’s out of ten by KO 

 

 

[LinekersLugs]

6 hours ago, MPH said:

I can see a scenario where Usyk wins the AJ rematch and Wilder sneaks in and negotiates with Usyk ahead of Fury, wins the 3 belts and leaves everything set up for a unification 4th match.

NO HOPE !!! Wilder’s TV cash has ended ! 
 

there is only one BIG seller on the planet and that’s Fury now 

 

I have a sneaky feeling AJ will win the rematch, In fact I have no doubt about that, he will go at him like a lunatic and put it on him from the first bell and will win 

 

he will fight the boxer and the bigger man fighting should come through that, there will be no rematch clause in that fight 

 

Who ever wins will sets up nicely for Wembley or Spurs in June/July 

 

Fury v Whyte in Cardiff in March is my guess  for Tysons next fight unless Otto pulls off the shock of shocks ! 

[MPH]

4 hours ago, LinekersLugs said:

NO HOPE !!! Wilder’s TV cash has ended ! 
 

there is only one BIG seller on the planet and that’s Fury now 

 

I have a sneaky feeling AJ will win the rematch, In fact I have no doubt about that, he will go at him like a lunatic and put it on him from the first bell and will win 

 

I think your right about AJ. In fact I think I said on here last week that Wilders only chance would  be the same as AJs chance in his rematch- he’ll have to bum rush him and overwhelm him.
 

 

4 hours ago, LinekersLugs said:

he will fight the boxer and the bigger man fighting should come through that, there will be no rematch clause in that fight 

 

Who ever wins will sets up nicely for Wembley or Spurs in June/July 

 

Fury v Whyte in Cardiff in March is my guess  for Tysons next fight unless Otto pulls off the shock of shocks ! 

 

I think the ONLY hope of Tyson fighting Wilder again is if Wilder had the 3 other belts. 
 

 

I honestly think that’s the only thing that motivates Tyson now- being the unified/ undisputed champ.

Edited 12 October 2021 by MPH

[MPH]

7 minutes ago, pmcla26 said:

Wilder will always have appeal to audience's due to the fact he can deliver an entertaining KO, as well as being America's main man right now. 

 

AJ is more likely to fade into the abyss. 

 

AJ might get desperate if he loses again against Usyk and a fight against Wilder whilst I would consider it lunacy for him, he might see it as the only way to get back to the top.

[mancunianfox]

1 hour ago, pmcla26 said:

Agreed, it's the way I see it playing out. I think Wilder takes AJ to the cleaner's, personally, and sets up one last shot at Fury a couple of years down the line (mainly as there's no one else to go at Fury), and history repeats itself. I think Fury will eventually be left very lonely at the top as his challengers take each other out.

I doubt Fury will still be boxing if the only thing out there is a fourth Wilder fight. I doubt Wilder has a couple of years left him with the punishment he has taken and if Fury unifies the division I don't see what else there is for him to achieve. If he beats Usyk, unifies and retires undefeated it puts him up there with Marciano and the rest of the greats. He cares about legacy and doesn't seem worth the risk.

[MPH]

1 hour ago, pmcla26 said:

Agreed, it's the way I see it playing out. I think Wilder takes AJ to the cleaner's, personally, and sets up one last shot at Fury a couple of years down the line (mainly as there's no one else to go at Fury), and history repeats itself. I think Fury will eventually be left very lonely at the top as his challengers take each other out.

 

I think the big question for me is will Fury know when to retire? There’s a few young promising HWs out there and in 4-5 years time will they’ll be ready to take him on.. I really hope he protects his own legacy and  bows out. Knowing Tyson though if one of these ‘kids’ starts mouthing off at him, he won’t be able to resist himself!  . He’ll probably make a few comebacks anyway 

[Andy11111]

1 hour ago, MPH said:

 

AJ might get desperate if he loses again against Usyk and a fight against Wilder whilst I would consider it lunacy for him, he might see it as the only way to get back to the top.

Back to the top 🤣 was he ever

[MPH]

6 minutes ago, Andy11111 said:

Back to the top 🤣 was he ever

 

i would say the top 10 are at the top.

[Andy11111]

After he loses to Usyk, maybe he could fight David Haye or one of them YouTubers.

[Andy11111]

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Always makes me laugh

[Duquesne Whistle]

7 hours ago, LinekersLugs said:

Great fighter and great boxer are TWO different things my friend ! 
 

That's true.

I don't think Wilder is either, so it doesn't change my initial response..

 

7 hours ago, LinekersLugs said:

 

2nd best on the fact that he knocked over the greatest living heavy weight 3 times ! 
 

It’s just an opinion and one shared by Tyson …. wilder beats the rest of the mugs in this division 9 time’s out of ten by KO 

 

 

Hmmm. That's not really a basis to judge positions within the heavyweight division.

 

So, Fury says the boxer he's beaten is better than those he hasn't faced? Hardly a surprise in that 

 

 

[Countryfox]

On 11/10/2021 at 21:15, LinekersLugs said:

anyone slagging wilder off knows little about boxing ! 
 

I have been to see these two fight in the flesh and it will live with me forever, they have now served up 30+ rounds of amazing war 

 

it takes two great fighters to make a trilogy like that 

 

wilder did his bit ! He was beaten in all three fight but no one can doubt the heart this man has 

 

he is the 2nd best HW on the planet in action right now, he would have decapitated AJ given a chance ! And AJ knew that ! 
 

no one will remember AJ in 50

years time , everyone will remember Fury and Wilder !!! AJ had his chance and he wet himself , Fury took the fight with Wilder while he was still getting out of breath walking up the stairs ! The rest is history 

 

Wilder is one tough man and a genuine world level fighter and he was champion for a reason he can BANG 

 

Tyson of course is in a different league to them boys ! Tyson’s name can now be mentioned with the Greats and soon only 2 or 3 other names will stand with him in the discussion 

 

some of us always knew that 😉

Agree 100% Lugsy ..  I’m not even interested in AJ versus Fury any more cus we all know how that will end ..  I’d much rather watch Wilder give AJ a good battering and Fury unify all the belts. The only thing that will beat Tyson now are his inner demons ..  tell me what you think mate ..  has he still got the desire after showing Wilder who is the boss ? .. can he keep his head in the right place ???

 

And if you can get a couple of spare spare tickets for the next big fight bear me in mind ..  I know you’re connected ..  

[LinekersLugs]

9 hours ago, Countryfox said:

Agree 100% Lugsy ..  I’m not even interested in AJ versus Fury any more cus we all know how that will end ..  I’d much rather watch Wilder give AJ a good battering and Fury unify all the belts. The only thing that will beat Tyson now are his inner demons ..  tell me what you think mate ..  has he still got the desire after showing Wilder who is the boss ? .. can he keep his head in the right place ???

 

And if you can get a couple of spare spare tickets for the next big fight bear me in mind ..  I know you’re connected ..  

I think his Demons are still with him, but the baby being poorly I think gave him more perspective on life and how it’s important to keep going, he has goals outside boxing now, his foundation is giving him huge pride and he has plans for that to spread nationwide post boxing, it’s hard to say exactly what happens next in his life but I think he will be fine 

 

I urge you all to find the wow hydrate interview with Tyson and Frank Bruno, look In Tyson’s eyes and see him realise that he could be as Pooly as Frank there is a moment at the beginning of the interview where you can see Tyson realise “that could be me” Frank has bipolar was sectioned again earlier this year and really is quite compromised by his mental health but he is still brave as a lion, please find the interview on YouTube it’s amazing and heart breaking in so many ways 

 

 

[LinekersLugs]

13 hours ago, MPH said:

 

I think the big question for me is will Fury know when to retire? There’s a few young promising HWs out there and in 4-5 years time will they’ll be ready to take him on.. I really hope he protects his own legacy and  bows out. Knowing Tyson though if one of these ‘kids’ starts mouthing off at him, he won’t be able to resist himself!  . He’ll probably make a few comebacks anyway 

In their prime none of the up coming talent will be good enough to beat a fury in his prime ! BUT in 4 years time Tyson will be possibly past his prime he has 2 to 3 years left to make his mark forever then get out of dodge 

 

When you look at the top 30 rankings the scary thing is the only up and coming fighter that might give Fury a rest in 4 years time is a man already older than him 🤣🤣 Joe Joyce , Martin Bakole well some say he is 28 others say 38 !!! He has to fight Hunter and get through that, Hunter isn’t able for Fury or wilder 

 

so I’m not sure where there young guns are 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️ None in the top 30 right now beat him, hell none of them beat him post prime either ! 

 

 

[RonnieTodger]

17 hours ago, Andy11111 said:

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Always makes me laugh

What a shame that this never happened. Think Haye probably knew the second time around and he didn't want it. 

 

I loved David Haye, but he's such a **** . He always picks his mates to win, so you're better off betting against whatever he says.