MattyFromLE Posted 31 July 2012 Share Posted 31 July 2012 Yes, I don't know how we'll cope when he bangs in 9 for someone else. Ok we get it. He had a bad season - but the test for him now is to improve and prove to people with similar views to yourself that he can perform at this level. I think he can do this and I wish you would get behind him instead of seeming content at having a player to aim all your criticism at. There were others in the team last year who were equally as poor who get away with not being used as some form of scapegoat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Posted 31 July 2012 Share Posted 31 July 2012 Why does there never seem to be any middle ground with Leicester fans, either a player is shit or a player is god. Beckford has been average in his time with us, nothing more or nothing less. If he stayed then he COULD score enough goals to get us promoted or he could equally be as average as he was last season. The question is does Pearson take the risk and keep him whilst paying a ridiculous wage, or does he take the risk and sell him to a Championship rival. I'm unsure personally. I don't say 'this' very often, but this! It seems a lot of people are going on past history with Beckford. He was awesome in league 1, took the leap to join Everton and had a good (ish) season with them. Fact is though, he was pretty average for us. Some games he looked good, some he looked awful but most he just looked ok. For Beckford to score goals he needs to be 1on1 with the keeper. He's not really a poacher, and he very rarely makes his own chance. He'd need to rely heavily on our midfield, a point on which most of us seem to agree. But as the above post says, do we keep the player and keep paying his (reported) huge wages hoping that he comes good and build a midfield to help him, or do we sell, free those wages up, use some of the cash from the sale and build a team around more than one player? Beckford could be great, I just don't think it'd be for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark_w Posted 31 July 2012 Share Posted 31 July 2012 Ok we get it. He had a bad season - but the test for him now is to improve and prove to people with similar views to yourself that he can perform at this level. I think he can do this and I wish you would get behind him instead of seeming content at having a player to aim all your criticism at. There were others in the team last year who were equally as poor who get away with not being used as some form of scapegoat. How is Beckford a scapegoat, no one has said that we'd have done anything if he had been better. We obviously were poor and goalscoring wasn't our main problem. But it just doesn't seem right to have someone who didn't perform last year, to be on around £30,000 a week in the Championship. How can we justify that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 31 July 2012 Share Posted 31 July 2012 Ok we get it. He had a bad season - but the test for him now is to improve and prove to people with similar views to yourself that he can perform at this level. I think he can do this and I wish you would get behind him instead of seeming content at having a player to aim all your criticism at. There were others in the team last year who were equally as poor who get away with not being used as some form of scapegoat. Probably because those players aren't being lauded as "our best striker" or some kind of proven goal machine. I have no problem with Beckford, if he pulls on a shirt I'll cheer the bloke like I do all the players, I'd love him to bang in 30 goals this year. He had a bad year and was poor value, that really cannot be argued. Most of my posts about him, are not to purposely slate him, but to question those who hold him up to be some kind of demi god without there being much proof of him being anything close to that in our league. And they are the same people usually who slate those who have outscored him or got comparable scoring rates in this league. Which is what I find odd. I have no idea whether he'll be brilliant or shit next year, and as a few people above have said Pearson has to make a choice. Stick or twist, does he go on his performances last year. If so he'll be gone. Or does he hop he can transfer his league one form to this league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowlattsFox Posted 31 July 2012 Share Posted 31 July 2012 Another question is, can Leeds afford the rumoured wage he is on? or will he need to take a pay cut? Risky business transfer listing a player who we can't guarantee we will sell, which means a unwanted player in the squad. Don't want Beckford out on loan, keep him or sell him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 31 July 2012 Share Posted 31 July 2012 Maybe those that have an open mind on him can't be bothered to join this pointless debate. Just because people aren't happy with his performances last year, doesn't mean they have an open mind about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col city fan Posted 31 July 2012 Share Posted 31 July 2012 Yes, I don't know how we'll cope when he bangs in 9 for someone else. have you not even got a sneaky feeling Beckford could eventually turn it on ttfn? You know I'm with you on most aspects of his game, but I still reckon theres more to come from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark_w Posted 31 July 2012 Share Posted 31 July 2012 Just because people aren't happy with his performances last year, doesn't mean they have an open mind about him. Maybe not in your case Babylon, but it doesn't mean they don't have an open mind about him either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 31 July 2012 Share Posted 31 July 2012 Just because people aren't happy with his performances last year, doesn't mean they have an open mind about him. I wasn't suggesting everyone in the debate didn't have an open mind but we have a lot of regular posters and many have not joined the debate, so there are presumably plenty that are open minded or at least don't care and that is the point i was making. I fully understand your position but there's no denying there are some entrenched views and the debate is somewhat pointless and definitely repetitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 31 July 2012 Share Posted 31 July 2012 I wasn't suggesting everyone in the debate didn't have an open mind but we have a lot of regular posters and many have not joined the debate, so there are presumably plenty that are open minded or at least don't care and that is the point i was making. I fully understand your position but there's no denying there are some entrenched views and the debate is somewhat pointless and definitely repetitive. Repetitive is what Foxestalk does best!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 31 July 2012 Share Posted 31 July 2012 Repetitive is what Foxestalk does best!!! Say again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col city fan Posted 31 July 2012 Share Posted 31 July 2012 I wasn't suggesting everyone in the debate didn't have an open mind but we have a lot of regular posters and many have not joined the debate, so there are presumably plenty that are open minded or at least don't care and that is the point i was making. I fully understand your position but there's no denying there are some entrenched views and the debate is somewhat pointless and definitely repetitive. Not sure.. I reckon the 'Beckford Saga' has generated more debate about any one particular player than most of the others, except Wellens of course Most people seem to have some view on Beckford and express it. He's that type of player... Frustrating Say again. Beat me to it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 31 July 2012 Share Posted 31 July 2012 Say again. Repetitive is what foxestalk does best. I sense Davie G has some built up tension, you really need to lay into someone on here and just let it all out. You'll feel much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 31 July 2012 Share Posted 31 July 2012 Not sure.. I reckon the 'Beckford Saga' has generated more debate about any one particular player than most of the others, except Wellens of course Most people seem to have some view on Beckford and express it. He's that type of player... Frustrating Beat me to it.. As far as I can see it's largely the same people saying the same thing over and over again and it's the same stuff they already said in several other topics e.g the twitter topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 31 July 2012 Share Posted 31 July 2012 As far as I can see it's largely the same people saying the same thing over and over again and it's the same stuff they already said in several other topics e.g the twitter topic. It's because nobody is listening Mr G... people must hear me and respect me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col city fan Posted 31 July 2012 Share Posted 31 July 2012 It's because nobody is listening Mr G... people must hear me and respect me. What, must hear and respect you? Oh we do, we do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 31 July 2012 Share Posted 31 July 2012 What, must hear and respect you? Oh we do, we do... I will retire from the Beckford argument gracefully... or until someone says he's our best striker again, in which case I might lose it completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 31 July 2012 Share Posted 31 July 2012 Repetitive is what foxestalk does best. I sense Davie G has some built up tension, you really need to lay into someone on here and just let it all out. You'll feel much better. Maybe, I used to be renowned for being an argumentative and probably an irritating person that even got me into some trouble with my bosses at work, of course I was always right and they were always wrong but I generally don't do arguments now especially not about overpaid under-performing football players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 31 July 2012 Share Posted 31 July 2012 Maybe, I used to be renowned for being an argumentative and probably an irritating person that even got me into some trouble with my bosses at work, of course I was always right and they were always wrong but I generally don't do arguments now especially not about overpaid under-performing football players. I think you just entered the argument!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark_w Posted 31 July 2012 Share Posted 31 July 2012 Maybe, I used to be renowned for being an argumentative and probably an irritating person that even got me into some trouble with my bosses at work, of course I was always right and they were always wrong but I generally don't do arguments now especially not about overpaid under-performing football players. But... But... No one knows how much he's paid so we shouldn't talk about it, you said so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 31 July 2012 Share Posted 31 July 2012 It's because nobody is listening Mr G... people must hear me and respect me. There's not actually a massive difference in the debate it's almost down to some having blind faith that he will deliver given the right circumstance so keep him and others saying he might but it's such a total unknown unproven scenario and not worth risking the money if we can get a decent fee for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 31 July 2012 Share Posted 31 July 2012 There's not actually a massive difference in the debate it's almost down to some having blind faith that he will deliver given the right circumstance so keep him and others saying he might but it's such a total unknown unproven scenario and not worth risking the money if we can get a decent fee for him. I think we should close the thread and leave it with your summing up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 31 July 2012 Share Posted 31 July 2012 But... But... No one knows how much he's paid so we shouldn't talk about it, you said so. Well whatever it is all footballers especially PL and ex PL are over- paid in my opinion whether that's £35k/week or not I think you just entered the argument!!!!!! No I haven't! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxfanazer Posted 31 July 2012 Share Posted 31 July 2012 I have no facts or stats to back it up but I really think he'll come good this season. The service should be better from the midfield and out wide. Also there will be more pressure for places than last season so hopefully his work rate improves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankieADZ Posted 31 July 2012 Share Posted 31 July 2012 Sam Baldock could be on his way out of West Ham, could be a good signing imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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