Vacamion Posted 30 June 2012 Posted 30 June 2012 The Scottish Fans Forum "Pie & Bovril" has a thread with 2843 pages about this. They are all quite well informed - better than, say, the back page of the Daily Record. You can find the thread at: http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/167655-big-rangers-administrationliquidation-thread-all-chat-here/page__st__59600 The latest position is it looks like all the rules will be bent to let "The Rangers" into the 2nd tier, with the promise of league reconstruction and more money for the clubs in lower leagues. Shame. "The Rangers" should start off at the bottom of the SFL The rest of Scottish Football is applauding the principled stance taken by Clyde FC, issued in the following statement: Club Statement: Reconstruction Proposal Sat, 30th Jun 2012 12:48pm The Club has received a set of papers in advance of the SFL meeting on Tuesday. The essential intent behind those papers is to induce the SFL clubs to agree a proposal to allow a Newco to enter the SFL in the First Division in exchange for a range of structural changes to the current set up and some small financial inducements. Some of the proposed changes have merit in principle. The Board believe that any proposals for change should not be rushed, as these have been. They also have to be done by consensus and not through threat or inducement, again, as these have been. The papers include a proposal to allow a Newco to enter the First Division. This is contrary to the rules of the SFL and nothing within the papers justifies this proposal. As a club owned by its supporters and recovering from having been on the brink of extinction, the Board of Clyde Football Club recognise the damage done to the credibility of Rangers Football Club by its successive owners, and the subsequent impact on staff and supporters. These proposals do nothing to restore that credibility. It is not for us to become involved in punishment, that is a matter for the SPL and SFA. The SFL clubs are being asked to change their rules so that the SPL and SFA can apply sanctions that fit short term financial interests. It is not for us to tell any club what they should want for themselves, but to enter anywhere other than the Third Division risks Rangers Football Club being burdened with the legacy of commencing its rebuilding in a manner that they later look back on with regret. Rangers Football Club does not need to be handed a competitive advantage, they are more than capable of returning to the SPL via the Third Division on their own merit. Rebuilding from the bottom can restore the dignity stripped from the club by its former owners. The papers use emotive language to threaten a future of financial meltdown and they carry the implication of the destruction of the game should a Newco not be entered in the First Division. If things are as bad as indicated then Scottish Football is in a far worse state than is being acknowledged. In which case it is time to accept the bankrupt model needs fixed and not supported and perpetuated on the back of this proposal. The fact that other clubs might face similar financial distress because Rangers Football Club enter the Third Division is hardly a reason to compromise the integrity of the SFL and further compromise Rangers Football Club. Rather than attempting to prepare a soft landing before delivering sanctions, it would be better to contemplate more radical change that might actually underpin financial stability in the long term for clubs that balance their books. Perhaps an amnesty from sanctions for clubs that are forced to face insolvency procedures in the next 2 years as a result of the current turmoil, and an automatic entry to the Third Division for any club liquidated and reformed in similar circumstances. This would allow 2 years to properly restructure the Scottish Game for the benefit of all and undo the damage that has been created by the current structure which encourages club directors to trade integrity for cash, and then spend beyond their means, willingly risking the very existence of football clubs. If we could believe that the game could be less self interested long enough to resolve this, then this, and other far better ideas, might be worth contemplating. SPL clubs that have openly stated their opposition to a Newco being given immediate access to the SPL have taken the position based on their, and at times, their supporters' view of what is the right thing to do. However, the vote has still to be taken and proposals such as these are premature. If the SPL clubs vote as indicated on the basis of the increasingly discredited notion of sporting integrity, it would be questionable if the SFL clubs did otherwise. The reality is that we are faced with unique circumstances and it would be foolish to pretend otherwise. That probably means that compromise for some is inevitable, and perhaps even worthwhile for everyone in the long term. The solution however is not this hastily cobbled together proposal. The Board of this club sees no merit whatsoever in adopting this proposal.
accessory Posted 2 July 2012 Author Posted 2 July 2012 Newco will start in Division 3 or not at all. There is too much antagonism among SFL clubs to let them in at a higher level, whatever their numerous cheerleaders in the media may claim. Meanwhile the fanbase is split between pro and anti-Green factions. Those divisions aren't likely to heal any time soon.
Manwell Pablo Posted 3 July 2012 Posted 3 July 2012 Newco will start in Division 3 or not at all. There is too much antagonism among SFL clubs to let them in at a higher level, whatever their numerous cheerleaders in the media may claim. Meanwhile the fanbase is split between pro and anti-Green factions. Those divisions aren't likely to heal any time soon. Great news for Rangers fans if your predicting that, this means they'll probably start in the SPL with a nine point head start.
Wycombe Fox Posted 4 July 2012 Posted 4 July 2012 Rangers' application to join SPL 'overwhelmingly' rejected
Corky Posted 4 July 2012 Posted 4 July 2012 Rangers' application to join SPL 'overwhelmingly' rejected We knew that anyway though.
Daggers Posted 4 July 2012 Posted 4 July 2012 Applications are closed for the Southern Premier until next season.
Guest MattP Posted 4 July 2012 Posted 4 July 2012 Applications are closed for the Southern Premier until next season. A great shame. Scottish division 3 will be fantastic anyway, fans will love it going to all those grounds, not to mention the biggest away following ever at Queens Park away. Will be superb.
Mack Posted 5 July 2012 Posted 5 July 2012 This is absolutely priceless. CEO's and Chairman of the SPL clubs hiding their faces from the cameras and refusing to talk as they walk from a meeting where they just shot themselves in the foot for the sake of jealousy and bitterness. Meanwhile the SFL cant make their minds up what league they want Rangers to play in. Ally McMug and his 9 players (oops sorry make that 8) will end up in the Glasgow 7 a side pub league on a Thursday evening (if they can afford the subs) and the SPL without the old firm will fold within 18 months. You couldn't make it up!
Darkon84 Posted 5 July 2012 Posted 5 July 2012 This is absolutely priceless. CEO's and Chairman of the SPL clubs hiding their faces from the cameras and refusing to talk as they walk from a meeting where they just shot themselves in the foot for the sake of jealousy and bitterness. Meanwhile the SFL cant make their minds up what league they want Rangers to play in. Ally McMug and his 9 players (oops sorry make that 8) will end up in the Glasgow 7 a side pub league on a Thursday evening (if they can afford the subs) and the SPL without the old firm will fold within 18 months. You couldn't make it up! Indeed. Absolute fools.
Durnerz Posted 5 July 2012 Posted 5 July 2012 Celtic vs St Mirren as the new 'old' firm game it is then!
purpleronnie Posted 5 July 2012 Posted 5 July 2012 The fans want to start at the bottom, it makes sense, put them there, tv money will be generated for that division, gates will rise, and the OF will probably meet in the cup anyway, then after a few seasons normality will resume.
Guest MattP Posted 5 July 2012 Posted 5 July 2012 The fans want to start at the bottom, it makes sense, put them there, tv money will be generated for that division, gates will rise, and the OF will probably meet in the cup anyway, then after a few seasons normality will resume. Stenhousemuir released a statement tonight showing how harmful the effects on clubs in Division Three it will be if Rangers start there, they will lose around 50k a year.
Voll Blau Posted 5 July 2012 Posted 5 July 2012 The thing I can't get my head round is how a fanbase with the size and passion of Rangers just stood idly by for months on end, and let this happen?
Guest MattP Posted 5 July 2012 Posted 5 July 2012 The thing I can't get my head round is how a fanbase with the size and passion of Rangers just stood idly by for months on end, and let this happen?
davieG Posted 6 July 2012 Posted 6 July 2012 The thing I can't get my head round is how a fanbase with the size and passion of Rangers just stood idly by for months on end, and let this happen? The only way the fans would be bothered was if they finished outside the top 2, like many football fans they don't give a shit until that shit hits the fan(s). Were Pompey fans bothered about how they managed to get to an FA Cup final on a mountain of debt?
Daggers Posted 6 July 2012 Posted 6 July 2012 CEO's and Chairman of the SPL clubs hiding their faces from the cameras and refusing to talk as they walk from a meeting where they just shot themselves in the foot for the sake of jealousy and bitterness. Yep, obviously all of the Chairmen should have voted to keep the corrupt club in the top flight for the sake of money - that would be a real decision which would learn from the past and carry honour into the future. There is life without Sky - it existed before foreign owners flooded the game and it will exist once they're gone. The thing I can't get my head round is how a fanbase with the size and passion of Rangers just stood idly by for months on end, and let this happen? http://www.foxestalk...-never-arrived/ If only everyone was like me
Vacamion Posted 12 July 2012 Posted 12 July 2012 The SFL (lower leagues) vote tomorrow in a meeting at Hampden. There are 3 options. 1. Admit Newco Rangers to SFL division 1 2. Admit them to SFL division 3 3. Don't admit them at all - they then apply again to the SPL or take a year off and there is a gap in the fixtures All have their pros and cons, the press is threatening financial "armageddon" if they are not admitted to SFL 1st division. It's going to be interesting, one way or another.
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