Babylon Posted 15 July 2012 Posted 15 July 2012 I am torn too - wanting to put a rocket up the managers arse so he signs some quality footballers (and not necessarily expensive ones) seems to be seen as negative No, it's a negative to suggest what we have signed won't turn out to be those quality players before they have even kicked a ball for the club. Where are all of these quality, proven and inexpensive players hiding? If you want proven quality you have to pay for it, if you can't pay for it you try and find them before they have become proven. If you were a Hull fan you are the sort of guy that would have slated Pearson for buying a "nobody", a "Man Utd reject" when he got Chester for £350k. A guy that would probably cost you a couple of million now because he's just proven his quality.
seenitall Posted 15 July 2012 Posted 15 July 2012 I'm pretty disappointed he's here, I'd rather we still had Sven. But, we should give a couple of seasons, there is no instant success. That's not really true though, is it - O Neill went to Sunderland and pretty much turned it around straight away, RDM at Chelsea, Keane at Sunderland also, Hughes at QPR, Hodgson at Blackburn and Fulham - all turned around in a very short space of time (even, and whisper it folks, SGE at Leicester the season before last) - Brendan Rodgers took Swansea up in his first season as manager, Paul Lambert managed back to back promotions in his first 2 seasons at Norwich, arguably with less money to spend than Nige (who fell at the second hurdle) same with Adkins at Southampton, who inherited Pardews side after the season had started, Dave Jones at Sheff Weds last season and Sam Allardyce with West Ham no one really gets two mediocre seasons anymore and I can't see NP getting them either
ealingfox Posted 15 July 2012 Posted 15 July 2012 I feel like more and more are moving to FoxesTalk from the LCFC facebook pages...
acooling08 Posted 15 July 2012 Posted 15 July 2012 Give him the whole season. If we just miss out, then give him the first half of the following season, if we fail miserably then consider getting rid.
seenitall Posted 15 July 2012 Posted 15 July 2012 I feel like more and more are moving to FoxesTalk from the LCFC facebook pages... Bye
Heart-Shaped Fox Posted 15 July 2012 Posted 15 July 2012 We need to actually have a manager for a year or two, minimum, that would be nice. NP deserves all this season, and think he should have all his contract time. In terms of knowing this league, building a team and getting results, NP is always going to be superior to Sven. I have more confidence in him than Sven, so he deserves the time he needs.
Corky Posted 15 July 2012 Posted 15 July 2012 Willing us to fail - a fallacy propagated by 'true' fans of Leicester City who believe all the hype and tripe coming out of the King Power stadium - its 'true'fans like this that keep ineffective clueless boards and average managers and teams in jobs - just because you have been suckered into believing they all know what they are doing, doesn't make others 'non Leicester fans' or 'willing us to fail' because we don't Arguably, by accepting mediocrity, you are 'willing us to fail' more than those who want an ambitious and intelligently run club And before anyone wastes time typing the words 'beloved Sven' - try to look forward rather than backwards (unlike the club) I'm not accepting mediocrity, because I don't know yet, with five weeks until the season starts, what we will do. We haven't kicked a ball yet. We might be good, we might be bad, we'll wait and see. But people who seem to want the manager gone a few weeks into the season are particularly unhelpful. Because we'll be back to where we were in October last year, and the year before. A new manager wanting his own squad, leaving the current one unsure of the future. Why don't we, y'know, get behind the people at the club rather than be negative well before the season starts?
LCFC_FAN_1995 Posted 15 July 2012 Posted 15 July 2012 I stopped reading at "beckford soon" because Beckford isn't going
Dan Posted 15 July 2012 Posted 15 July 2012 I don't see the problem with getting rid of Bamba (a player who wasn't convincing at defending) and Mills (overpriced, yet good Championship defender who's relationship with our manager broke down). Also, where's the Beckford soon bit come from? I have heard nothing so far, and although you would imagine a striker leaving, I haven't heard anything Beckford-related. Are you adding Marshall to the 'rejects' list as well, he was released by Manchester United? I recall Savage being a Manchester United 'reject', I recall Izzet being a Chelsea 'reject'. Steve Morison is a Northampton 'reject' while Anthony Pilkington is a Manchester United 'reject'. I suppose you could add Cantona as well to the list of 'rejects' considering his days at Sheffield Wednesday and Leeds... We are Leicester City, not Manchester United. We cannot attract first team International players like Xavi, Steven Gerrard and Messi. We have to look within the reserves of the big clubs, I see no problem with that. What is wrong with giving Vardy a chance? Morison was given a chance by Millwall, likewise Charlie Austin at Burnley. They have both produced goals at this level, why can't Vardy do the same? Just because he has signed from Fleetwood and not Arsenal, you seem to write him off. Here are some non league examples for you; . Ian Wright . Les Ferdinand . Kevin Phillps . Stan Collymore . Kerry Dixon . Steve Guppy They all produced at the top level after impressing at non league. Some of them are the among the greatest Premier League footballers ever, and our very own Steve Guppy gets a quick mention as well. I wouldn't call it a Pearson 'love in'. I like him, no doubt. Why? He got us promoted from League One at the first time of asking, did Nottingham Forest get promoted first time? No. Southampton, Leeds, Sheffield Wednesday? No. Huddersfield, Preston, Sheffield United? No. Pearson then guided us to fifth in the Championship, and ok we didn't make the final, but we were solid, consistant and hard to beat throughout the season. A spirit within the team existed and we looked like a force. This was all done on little, if not any, money to spend. I'll look at the statistics, because they can never lie. He has the best win % of any Leicester City manager. He has lost less than 10 games at home in his two spells at the club. He took a relegated team and made them the fifth best team in this division with little finances. Also, last season, the Champions of the Championship, Reading, had a very poor start. The first month, August, looked like this for them: Millwall 2-2 D Leicester (Sven) 2-0 W Portsmouth 0-1 L Barnsley 1-2 L Charlton (Cup) 1-2 L Hull (Pearson) 0-1 L I couldn't image some of the reactions on here if they were our results and Pearson was manager, could you? Oh wait, I could. There is no need for stupid threads on a consistant basis. Support the manager. We haven't even kicked a ball yet and we are seeing posts critisizing Pearson already... It is so annoying. I want him to get us promoted because I love the club, I like Nigel, but I want him to do it even more so we can look at these threads again! Your last sentance, (which is underlined), sums it up for me. Great work, whole-heartedly agree and unfortunately ran out of positive reps for the day.
Dan Posted 15 July 2012 Posted 15 July 2012 At least you didn't actually type beloved Sven and for that I thank you (even if your point is thin) Oh it's definitely true though. 11th and 13th when he spent more than anyone, in-fact I'd rather have genuine mediocrity than that - that's worse than mediocre, that's embarrassing and absolute gross under-achievement.
LCFC_FAN_1995 Posted 15 July 2012 Posted 15 July 2012 Success doesn't come over night! Whole season is what a manager deserves, even another if let's say, we lost in the play off final, keep him for longer because why get rid? Championship is tough, not an easy league at all, but some people think we should walk it! Bolton, Blackburn, Blackpool, Birmingham, Wolves, Cardiff, Leeds and even Forest will be tough next season. Stop moaning all the time, Pearson's said he's watched Vardy for a while now, and I think Vardy will be a good addition.
Raw Dykes Posted 15 July 2012 Posted 15 July 2012 It really is absurd that there are people talking about sacking the manager at this point. There's a month and a half before the transfer window closes, a month before the season kicks off and nine days before even the first pre-season friendly. We don't know what the squad will be yet, how good the new players are or how this pre-season's training will affect the players' fitness. I want to see an LCFC manager, whoever it is, get a decent crack of the whip for once. If there's no threat of relegation, then why not find out what happens when a manager gets enough time to really build the squad he wants? Who knows, maybe it might be beneficial to give the players enough time to learn what works best and what their team mates' decisions are likely to be. Maybe it takes more time than the club has been giving managers for them to really learn enough about their players to find the best possible tactics for them. You might say any manager should know their squad after x amount of games, but who's to say they couldn't know even more after that point? Surely, we already know all too well how much progress the club makes by sacking the manager every October.
Leicester_Numan Posted 15 July 2012 Posted 15 July 2012 its posts like this that worry me.. making excuses for failure all ready. I'm not, I can see the difficult conditions that Pearson is doing the job under and don't expect instant success. That is not excusing failure. Having unrealistic expectations and wanting the manager sacked when he doesn't achieve them in a certain timeframe is just stupid and counter-productive. How many more managers do we have to sack before people realise that? People expecting us to be promoted just because we have a bit of money, regardless of how it was wasted on over-rated, inconsistent, under-performing players last season is what worries me. That's setting us up for another season of booing and the inevitable managerial change and the instability and squad change that goes with it. I'm not saying we can't or won't get promoted but i'm not expecting it at this point. That's not excusing failure, it's just being realistic. There's quite a few fans that could do with a dose of realism by the looks of it
ithuriel Posted 15 July 2012 Posted 15 July 2012 When Brian Little was here we signed players that were cheap and cheerful, the team was bland but we were in the playoffs three times and eventually beat Derby to return to the top flight after a long break. Shame he left the way he did and tarnished his memory amongst the fans i still have his book Mark McGhee came in and flattered to deceive, playing nice football but we were relegated and after a great start were soon found out and started to fade, he then did a runner to Wolves leaving the fanbase mourning his loss Martin came in and slowly brought players in to a team that was continuing to fade, a long run of only one win in eleven had some asking for his head. It did not help with him selling two of our better players Joachim and Corica. Martin bolstered his squad during transfer deadline day with two WTF players, Watts and Izzet and then we soon reached the infamous Sheffield game where the fans wanted him gone, we would then go on to win the playoffs Peeps were then worried because we only signed three players before the season back in the prem started but we would go on to finish in the top ten, win the League cup and fail in the FA cup to Chelsea on a dodgy penalty. What all this tells us is that the future can not be predicted and the fan base often get things wrong. Pearson is the best manager in terms of results and team play we have had since Adams and reminds me a lot of both Little and O'niell, we should give the guy time to see how this new low budget but seemingly hungry team does
DanTheFox07 Posted 15 July 2012 Posted 15 July 2012 Isn`t it about time we learned to stick with a manager, even if he doesn`t get us promotion? need to let him build on what he has started! people think it should be our given right to go up! I say we get behind pearson for this season and try and be positive!
seenitall Posted 15 July 2012 Posted 15 July 2012 Isn`t it about time we learned to stick with a manager, even if he doesn`t get us promotion? need to let him build on what he has started! people think it should be our given right to go up! I say we get behind pearson for this season and try and be positive! No = Pleat, Taylor etc
Guest Col city fan Posted 15 July 2012 Posted 15 July 2012 Isn`t it about time we learned to stick with a manager, even if he doesn`t get us promotion? need to let him build on what he has started! people think it should be our given right to go up! I say we get behind pearson for this season and try and be positive! That's the million dollar question.... Stick with a manager for a couple of seasons (I personally will be surprised if we go up this year) or don't....... The question is, how long will the owners be willing to wait. We live in a world in which short term success has become sacrosanct over long term stability. Just look at Mancini.... Just been given a five year contract at 7.5 mill per year!!! When he was a second away from probably being sacked (if the Aguero late winner hadn't have happened, Citeh would have won nothing last season in spite of spending a trillion quid). The owners will decide when they absolutely demand success, not us... Hence Sven lost his job. Don't be fooled, unless the Thais have a longer term plan in place, Nige could go the same way.
Happy Fox Posted 15 July 2012 Posted 15 July 2012 I don't think we are under the same amount of pressure to get promotion this season, as long as our wage bill is lowish we can afford to give NP more than one season to deliver promotion, obviously preferably it will be this season to come but nothing is guaranteed in football, if we can get into the playoffs that will be a bonus and a half.
flowwolf Posted 15 July 2012 Posted 15 July 2012 So let's look at the facts, 30 ish games to get us promoted and despite the pearson fans' bleats of it's not his team and give him time he failed miserably. He's got rid of bamba and mills and possibly Beckford soon. He's signed two more of Manchester United's rejects, make it three if we include danny give the ball away cheaply Drinkwater. He's signed a non-league striker to boost our attack and he's chasing his old mates from hull city to see if they can do a better job for us than they did for hull. despite the pearson loving that exists on this forum, i for one am not being taken in by it. I hope the most we give this fool is another ten games then pull the plug on him. Now i'm sure the forum bullies and good grammar police will be at me in droves but ffs look at the statistics before you make your points. I already know i'm a twat and a fool and an idiot and my grammar is crap and i'm not a real fan and i don't care about the foxes so please try replying with facts and common sense! You always hurt the ones you love the ones you shouldn't hurt at all.
seenitall Posted 15 July 2012 Posted 15 July 2012 I don't think we are under the same amount of pressure to get promotion this season, as long as our wage bill is lowish we can afford to give NP more than one season to deliver promotion, obviously preferably it will be this season to come but nothing is guaranteed in football, if we can get into the playoffs that will be a bonus and a half. see previous posts regarding ambition (or lack thereof) You should support Hinckley Town , their wage bill is really low and they don't expect to get anywhere either
BNET Posted 15 July 2012 Posted 15 July 2012 Willing us to fail - a fallacy propagated by 'true' fans of Leicester City who believe all the hype and tripe coming out of the King Power stadium - its 'true'fans like this that keep ineffective clueless boards and average managers and teams in jobs - just because you have been suckered into believing they all know what they are doing, doesn't make others 'non Leicester fans' or 'willing us to fail' because we don't Arguably, by accepting mediocrity, you are 'willing us to fail' more than those who want an ambitious and intelligently run club And before anyone wastes time typing the words 'beloved Sven' - try to look forward rather than backwards (unlike the club) Bang on Seenitall, l would like to be wrong about Pearson but i've not seen anything in his career that makes me think he can get us up and become a premiership manager. l'm not being negative for the sake of it, l just think the blokes useless.
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